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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:33 pm
Cjw3454 Quote: lol okay well when i first started playing, the teacher i had (for my first month) said that one of Jimi Hendrix's songs start out with two notes that said were used for witchcraft. Not like a chord, but just two little notes, separately. It was kinda like this: D:------6---------6--- A:--------------------- E:--4--------4-------- I thought it was D---------8----------8 A---7-----7-----7---7 E---6------------6---- Technically it's [bellow]. The bass plays the E octaves and the guitar plays the Bb octaves. G------------3------------3----- D------------2------------2----- A-----1-------------1----------- E-----0-------------0-----------
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:00 pm
Flyr The Rennaissance/Medieval churches banned all diminished 5ths from any church music because they thought it was evil. Silly Christians heart Yes, because in a time dominated by superstition and belief in the supernatural by the masses, and overall public in general, it's only the Christians who were "silly" because they thought a certain combination of music notes that sounded like crap would summon the devil. And dragons, witches, the Holy Grail, werewolves, wisps, pixies, fairies, newts, trolls and unicorns are so much more logical rolleyes I think I just had a lolgasm...
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:20 am
Bartling Flyr The Rennaissance/Medieval churches banned all diminished 5ths from any church music because they thought it was evil. Silly Christians heart it shames me to be the only 'normal' one. silly, there is no such thing as 'normal'
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:03 am
I use the diminished scale to write a lot of my death/black metal kinda songs. Usually does the job.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:33 pm
joe-dude667 Cjw3454 Quote: lol okay well when i first started playing, the teacher i had (for my first month) said that one of Jimi Hendrix's songs start out with two notes that said were used for witchcraft. Not like a chord, but just two little notes, separately. It was kinda like this: D:------6---------6--- A:--------------------- E:--4--------4-------- I thought it was D---------8----------8 A---7-----7-----7---7 E---6------------6---- Technically it's [bellow]. The bass plays the E octaves and the guitar plays the Bb octaves. G------------3------------3----- D------------2------------2----- A-----1-------------1----------- E-----0-------------0----------- Jimi re recorded this track several times, a simpular version, which I think is the first one goes:
G------------------------------ D------------8----------------- A------------------------------ E-----6------------------------
It's the Bb octave basically... sall good
Also, the diminished 5th, as has been correctly stated, was banned because of its discordant nature, and it was felt that it would bring some form of demon whatchamahoobit. However, historically speaking, the people of this time were the first to notate music, so obviously if something wasn't a perfect triad as far as chords went, plus remembeing the majority of the music was sung by the gregorian monks which vocal style have a natural dark texture, it's kinda understandable they felt the bellzebub was sharpening his pitchfork...
Plus, again, these monks were the FIRST tonotate music, so stop calling them silly, they practially MADE UG blaugh
Personally, even when righting dark and dirty metal tracks, I would go sparingly on using diminished 5ths, as an overuse tends to get alittle bland for the ear. But whatever floats *thumbs up*
Also, sharpened 4th is the same as flattened 5th, its just diminished or flattened kinda sound more evil domokun
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:45 am
Aagark joe-dude667 Cjw3454 Quote: lol okay well when i first started playing, the teacher i had (for my first month) said that one of Jimi Hendrix's songs start out with two notes that said were used for witchcraft. Not like a chord, but just two little notes, separately. It was kinda like this: D:------6---------6--- A:--------------------- E:--4--------4-------- I thought it was D---------8----------8 A---7-----7-----7---7 E---6------------6---- Technically it's [bellow]. The bass plays the E octaves and the guitar plays the Bb octaves. G------------3------------3----- D------------2------------2----- A-----1-------------1----------- E-----0-------------0----------- Jimi re recorded this track several times, a simpular version, which I think is the first one goes:
G------------------------------ D------------8----------------- A------------------------------ E-----6------------------------
It's the Bb octave basically... sall good Yeah that's how it's played, I was just showing how to play the bass and the guitar at the same time (thereby showing the diablo en musica).
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:49 pm
It wasn't so much a note as much as an interval. like they said, it is a diminished fifth or an augmented fourth depending on how you look at it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:56 pm
Aagark Also, the diminished 5th, as has been correctly stated, was banned because of its discordant nature, and it was felt that it would bring some form of demon whatchamahoobit. However, historically speaking, the people of this time were the first to notate music, so obviously if something wasn't a perfect triad as far as chords went, plus remembeing the majority of the music was sung by the gregorian monks which vocal style have a natural dark texture, it's kinda understandable they felt the bellzebub was sharpening his pitchfork... This is a common fallacy.
Think about it in term of music: if they banned the tri-tone, how would they do cadences? I can't think of a single piece that lacks the V7 chord. Which, as we all know (or do now), contains a tri-tone in between the 3rd and 7th of the chord. It was just never used in it's most pure form by church music, but it was definitely used way back when.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:26 am
Absolute Imperfection Aagark Also, the diminished 5th, as has been correctly stated, was banned because of its discordant nature, and it was felt that it would bring some form of demon whatchamahoobit. However, historically speaking, the people of this time were the first to notate music, so obviously if something wasn't a perfect triad as far as chords went, plus remembeing the majority of the music was sung by the gregorian monks which vocal style have a natural dark texture, it's kinda understandable they felt the bellzebub was sharpening his pitchfork... This is a common fallacy.
Think about it in term of music: if they banned the tri-tone, how would they do cadences? I can't think of a single piece that lacks the V7 chord. Which, as we all know (or do now), contains a tri-tone in between the 3rd and 7th of the chord. It was just never used in it's most pure form by church music, but it was definitely used way back when.He's got you there! mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:13 pm
Cjw3454 Quote: lol okay well when i first started playing, the teacher i had (for my first month) said that one of Jimi Hendrix's songs start out with two notes that said were used for witchcraft. Not like a chord, but just two little notes, separately. It was kinda like this: D:------6---------6--- A:--------------------- E:--4--------4-------- I thought it was D---------8----------8 A---7-----7-----7---7 E---6------------6----
Jimi's Main testament is possibly to music was the fact he could make his own songs worth re visiting. He did several version's of Purple Haze, for example.
it's also interesting to note that his entire discography was done in two years, and realised after his death.
And now a short history lesson, with resident know it all Aagark:
The 'Diablo en Musica' myth is often misconstrued... ish... As has been stated the intonation was banned during the original scripting of Music (Done by Monks, being the only people at the time with the education to carry out such a task), due to it's disjointed nature. It, at this time, isn't suggested that it would in fact raise any form of demonic entity, merely insight the Devil's will in the listener... Sooo, Moshing monks then?...
Before this, however, during the time Pythagorus put down his triangles for a bit and decided to play with a taught length of string (this ACTUALLY HAPPENED... ish), he theorised upon the emotions and characteristics that can be drawn from music, and devised the original inversion of modes. In this the flattened fifth intonation is also commented on, to have... you guessed it... TOGA MOSH!
A quick pointless, and very un clever and poorly organised zegwe back to Purple Haze, the intro was indeed, to Jimi's understanding, derived from 'witchcraft' and paganism, and THIS is when the summoning and demons and sorts comes in. Historically, this period in time is the biggest culprit in romanticising Christian and Gallic beliefs and scriptures, as well as muddling stuff up, for funsies.
So... now you know...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KXCD5BQiM4 0:25
EDIT: Actually, it's worth watching that whole video. just saying...
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:02 pm
Absolute Imperfection Aagark Also, the diminished 5th, as has been correctly stated, was banned because of its discordant nature, and it was felt that it would bring some form of demon whatchamahoobit. However, historically speaking, the people of this time were the first to notate music, so obviously if something wasn't a perfect triad as far as chords went, plus remembeing the majority of the music was sung by the gregorian monks which vocal style have a natural dark texture, it's kinda understandable they felt the bellzebub was sharpening his pitchfork... I can't think of a single piece that lacks the V7 chord.
have you ever heard a pop song... ever?
Also, tri tone substitution isn't shown to be in music until the renaissance, when experimentation of such techniques happened... thus 'the renaissance'. In fact it wasn't used freely until the romantic period of music. Although it was understood during middle ages, it was carefully avoided (as best as we can make out... unless you have a time machine, I think we're going off the word of the Historians here).
Modulation can, and was, achieved without the tri tone system, primarily through common tone or common chord, if at all. Again, this is an innovation of Music of which comes much later on.
And finally, 'way back when', the only music WAS the church music. Like I said, as far as Historians can depict most music was the work of the Monks, the only people scholarly enough to study the art. The Minstrels used so commonly now are, again, the fault of that funny renaissance thing. True there are some exceptions, but it wasn't the hobby we consider it today.
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:39 pm
l_Shamrock_l Flyr The Rennaissance/Medieval churches banned all diminished 5ths from any church music because they thought it was evil. Silly Christians heart Yes, because in a time dominated by superstition and belief in the supernatural by the masses, and overall public in general, it's only the Christians who were "silly" because they thought a certain combination of music notes that sounded like crap would summon the devil. And dragons, witches, the Holy Grail, werewolves, wisps, pixies, fairies, newts, trolls and unicorns are so much more logical rolleyes I think I just had a lolgasm... Actually it was the catholic church
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:25 am
Doom_Avenger_D Actually it was the catholic church
The only difference is the addiction to Cats.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:00 pm
Doom_Avenger_D l_Shamrock_l Flyr The Rennaissance/Medieval churches banned all diminished 5ths from any church music because they thought it was evil. Silly Christians heart Yes, because in a time dominated by superstition and belief in the supernatural by the masses, and overall public in general, it's only the Christians who were "silly" because they thought a certain combination of music notes that sounded like crap would summon the devil. And dragons, witches, the Holy Grail, werewolves, wisps, pixies, fairies, newts, trolls and unicorns are so much more logical rolleyes I think I just had a lolgasm... Actually it was the catholic church Actually, it was never true.
If they banned the tri-tone... how would they play ANY dominant OR diminished chord? Which I know, for a fact, that they use.Aagark The only difference is the addiction to Cats. That. Is. Awesome. Kudos, good sir. You get a lolstack rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:32 pm
I just think it is funny that the only interval that sounds different, possibly unstable, and is widely discouraged, is the tri-tone. When you are just playing intervals to see what sounds good or something the one that most people don't think about using in power chord standards is the tri-tone until they hear that it raises the devil or that is sounds okay with distortion.
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