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 Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:35 pm
Mirko_Filipovic There hasn't BEEN any vale tudo in America (at least none as in an official organization) now if you're talking about NHB/MMA then we're talking about Royce. Now answer this question. Who has Royce fought and beat that had any skill, in the past 5 years? Haha, this is TOUGH one. Incorrect my good man, check your research.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:04 pm
Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic There hasn't BEEN any vale tudo in America (at least none as in an official organization) now if you're talking about NHB/MMA then we're talking about Royce. Now answer this question. Who has Royce fought and beat that had any skill, in the past 5 years? Haha, this is TOUGH one. Incorrect my good man, check your research. Name the Vale Tudo competition. Are we talking Vale Tudo by name, or by rules?If by name, then there may have been, if by rules, then no state atheletic commision would allow an official SANCTIONED fight.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:41 pm
Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic There hasn't BEEN any vale tudo in America (at least none as in an official organization) now if you're talking about NHB/MMA then we're talking about Royce. Now answer this question. Who has Royce fought and beat that had any skill, in the past 5 years? Haha, this is TOUGH one. Incorrect my good man, check your research. Name the Vale Tudo competition. Are we talking Vale Tudo by name, or by rules?If by name, then there may have been, if by rules, then no state atheletic commision would allow an official SANCTIONED fight. Vale Tudo by name and by rules, I reccomend probing Gracie info databanks.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:24 pm
Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic There hasn't BEEN any vale tudo in America (at least none as in an official organization) now if you're talking about NHB/MMA then we're talking about Royce. Now answer this question. Who has Royce fought and beat that had any skill, in the past 5 years? Haha, this is TOUGH one. Incorrect my good man, check your research. Name the Vale Tudo competition. Are we talking Vale Tudo by name, or by rules?If by name, then there may have been, if by rules, then no state atheletic commision would allow an official SANCTIONED fight. Vale Tudo by name and by rules, I reccomend probing Gracie info databanks. If it wasn't sanctioned then it doesn't matter. Also, i have posted quite a big topic on Vale Tudo Vs NHB in the ABG, the ensueing arguement that you made resulted in you being kicked out. So i'm not sure if we agree on Vale Tudo.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:07 pm
Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic There hasn't BEEN any vale tudo in America (at least none as in an official organization) now if you're talking about NHB/MMA then we're talking about Royce. Now answer this question. Who has Royce fought and beat that had any skill, in the past 5 years? Haha, this is TOUGH one. Incorrect my good man, check your research. Name the Vale Tudo competition. Are we talking Vale Tudo by name, or by rules?If by name, then there may have been, if by rules, then no state atheletic commision would allow an official SANCTIONED fight. Vale Tudo by name and by rules, I reccomend probing Gracie info databanks. If it wasn't sanctioned then it doesn't matter. Also, i have posted quite a big topic on Vale Tudo Vs NHB in the ABG, the ensueing arguement that you made resulted in you being kicked out. So i'm not sure if we agree on Vale Tudo. Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America?
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:12 pm
Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie?
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:09 pm
MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.)
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:54 pm
Mirko_Filipovic MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.) Okay Rorion was the first to fight in the U.S. and I believe Carlos was the first to fight in Brazil.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:26 pm
Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.) Okay Rorion was the first to fight in the U.S. and I believe Carlos was the first to fight in Brazil. No, it was Gastao. And Rorion against Alegria wasn't an actual sanctioned fight as i recall, as such, it doesn't matter.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:35 pm
Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.) Okay Rorion was the first to fight in the U.S. and I believe Carlos was the first to fight in Brazil. No, it was Gastao. And Rorion against Alegria wasn't an actual sanctioned fight as i recall, as such, it doesn't matter. Okay it might be Gastao, not sure where u found that, but Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:38 pm
Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.) Okay Rorion was the first to fight in the U.S. and I believe Carlos was the first to fight in Brazil. No, it was Gastao. And Rorion against Alegria wasn't an actual sanctioned fight as i recall, as such, it doesn't matter. Okay it might be Gastao, not sure where u found that, but Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match. Gastao, because he was the one taught by Koma, hence he was the first to roll/fight. Alegria/Gracie was a CHALLENGE match, it wasn't an actual sanctioned match.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:39 pm
Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.) Okay Rorion was the first to fight in the U.S. and I believe Carlos was the first to fight in Brazil. No, it was Gastao. And Rorion against Alegria wasn't an actual sanctioned fight as i recall, as such, it doesn't matter. Okay it might be Gastao, not sure where u found that, but Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match. Gastao, because he was the one taught by Koma, hence he was the first to roll/fight. Alegria/Gracie was a CHALLENGE match, it wasn't an actual sanctioned match. First off, you are wrong if that's where you got the info, Carlos was the first to learn from Koma and he henceforth taught it to his brothers (I can prove this if you still don't believe me). Second, Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match, perhaps not by a specific MMA organization, but it was not an illegal/underground fight.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:24 pm
Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.) Okay Rorion was the first to fight in the U.S. and I believe Carlos was the first to fight in Brazil. No, it was Gastao. And Rorion against Alegria wasn't an actual sanctioned fight as i recall, as such, it doesn't matter. Okay it might be Gastao, not sure where u found that, but Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match. Gastao, because he was the one taught by Koma, hence he was the first to roll/fight. Alegria/Gracie was a CHALLENGE match, it wasn't an actual sanctioned match. First off, you are wrong if that's where you got the info, Carlos was the first to learn from Koma and he henceforth taught it to his brothers (I can prove this if you still don't believe me). Second, Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match, perhaps not by a specific MMA organization, but it was not an illegal/underground fight. Okay if we're really going to get into this. You never specified that they used gracie Jiu-jitsu, and i'm pretty sure that George gracie, being irish in brazil, probably got in a fight. If not his son, Gastao, who was the father of carlos, probably got into a fight too. And no Koma taught BOTH the father and Carlos, the difference being Gastao never really picked up on it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:12 pm
Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.) Okay Rorion was the first to fight in the U.S. and I believe Carlos was the first to fight in Brazil. No, it was Gastao. And Rorion against Alegria wasn't an actual sanctioned fight as i recall, as such, it doesn't matter. Okay it might be Gastao, not sure where u found that, but Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match. Gastao, because he was the one taught by Koma, hence he was the first to roll/fight. Alegria/Gracie was a CHALLENGE match, it wasn't an actual sanctioned match. First off, you are wrong if that's where you got the info, Carlos was the first to learn from Koma and he henceforth taught it to his brothers (I can prove this if you still don't believe me). Second, Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match, perhaps not by a specific MMA organization, but it was not an illegal/underground fight. Okay if we're really going to get into this. You never specified that they used gracie Jiu-jitsu, and i'm pretty sure that George gracie, being irish in brazil, probably got in a fight. If not his son, Gastao, who was the father of carlos, probably got into a fight too. And no Koma taught BOTH the father and Carlos, the difference being Gastao never really picked up on it. Okay, not to argue, but Gastao Gracie was never taught JJ, Koma taught his son Carlos as an act of friendship. And about the "fight" issue, you knew what I meant so there really isn't a point in being an smart-a** about it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:45 am
Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic Angel_Abaddon Mirko_Filipovic MoonSoo Angel_Abaddon Okay, let me make the question a bit easier, which Gracie was the first to fight in America? Rorion Gracie? Technically it's Gastao, since He said America (Which includes south america and north america.) Okay Rorion was the first to fight in the U.S. and I believe Carlos was the first to fight in Brazil. No, it was Gastao. And Rorion against Alegria wasn't an actual sanctioned fight as i recall, as such, it doesn't matter. Okay it might be Gastao, not sure where u found that, but Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match. Gastao, because he was the one taught by Koma, hence he was the first to roll/fight. Alegria/Gracie was a CHALLENGE match, it wasn't an actual sanctioned match. First off, you are wrong if that's where you got the info, Carlos was the first to learn from Koma and he henceforth taught it to his brothers (I can prove this if you still don't believe me). Second, Algeria/Gracie was a sanctioned match, perhaps not by a specific MMA organization, but it was not an illegal/underground fight. Okay if we're really going to get into this. You never specified that they used gracie Jiu-jitsu, and i'm pretty sure that George gracie, being irish in brazil, probably got in a fight. If not his son, Gastao, who was the father of carlos, probably got into a fight too. And no Koma taught BOTH the father and Carlos, the difference being Gastao never really picked up on it. Okay, not to argue, but Gastao Gracie was never taught JJ, Koma taught his son Carlos as an act of friendship. And about the "fight" issue, you knew what I meant so there really isn't a point in being an smart-a** about it. Yeah, but i'm pretty sure Gastao picked up on it at some point. Not to say he mastered it. But i'm SURE he had at least some knowledge of it.
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