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 Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:13 pm
marshjazz Yeah, whites thought thay whites were the best and blacks were the worst. Whites never said that blacks were bad and then treated them like royalety. Or the other way around, that wasn't hypocrisy. I know what your getting at, but it isn't hypocrisy. It was racism/segrigation/discrimination.
I typed that with one finger while I was taking pills with the other. I'm good aren't I? cool i wish i could do that!!!!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:22 pm
Well see, that is just all part of my awsome awsomeness. cool It takes years to master.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:07 pm
D: I wrote three paragraphs, and decided to just say that I'm hypocritical as far as eating meat goes. I wouldn't be able to stand the killing of the animals.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:33 am
Kiiska Did you ever notice that humans are indeed hypocritical? Lets say you're eating a juicy steak in a restaurant enjoying it, cause it's your favorite food. But then, you look out the window next to you and a cow accidentally got caught in machinery. At first, you hear a high pitched 'moo' and see its skin caught inside of it. But then, a second later, because the machinery is turned on, the spinning causes a ripping effect and it tears off a good deal of the cow sending the blood, guts, and the rest of it flying. You wince and look away because it's too much. And yet, you don't even think that what you just saw is on your plate. The same goes with abortions. You can say you don't care about them. But then, someone tells you some chick killed a cat. You wince a bit, and then they tell you it was pregnant and due in a few weeks, you tremble interiorly. We love to stare at animals in the zoo, but we found freak shows with people in cages cruel. With me, yes, I'm a vegetarian, so I can't talk about the first point. Yes, I agree with abortions, and I love to zoo. So I'm not flaming on my beliefs, I'm trying to state a point about us all. Discuss: Humans and hypocrisy. She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
1. People may eat the food, and enjoy the food as food, but watching the animal being killed like that is going to make people wince. There are so many people who realize that there is cow in their food, but not many people can watch the cruel acts. So there is a big difference. If you saw the cow go into the processor, then ate the meat that came off of that same cow, that would be more hypocritical. And I assure you that many people won't eat cow after they see the torture. They'll probably eat it later in their life, after they forgot about what happened, but not immediately after.
2. First off, I love cats the most, so I'd be sad if any cat was killed. And I am fairly moderate about abortions, but there is a difference between abortions and deliberately killing a cat and her young. If it was an accident, then that happens.
3. There are so many people who would prefer those animals in Zoos be freed. As for freak shows, these people were sometimes made to do things they didn't want to. The animals were never made to do that. If anything they were trained to do tricks, and then rewarded for them, but they were never forced to do this. Another thing on freak shows, humans may be hypocrites but we are still different than other animals. Our brains have developed to a level beyond theirs. I'm not saying we should act as if we are superior, because animals are living and breathing too, but we are able to formulate different kinds of thoughts than they are, and communicate it to the public.
I have to go now, but I just wanted to make that clear to you. Maybe people are hypocrites, but you're not really using valid examples of it.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:05 pm
Xyloid A lot of people are just IGNORANT, which is a completely different topic.
close ... everyone is ignorant - about some thing Quote: my veiw of hipocricy on this is how the whites thought horribly of the blacks, (even though they were ordinary humans) and they felt they were the greatest..kinda weird but watev. actually I think the feeling was mutual - unless you want to convince me that the blacks of the day loved their white brothers and sisters and once again - this has to do with IGNORANCE (as Xyloid put it) not hypocrisy
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:06 am
When it comes to the cow. I would just freak out because of the blood. But yes I eat the steak and enjoy it. As for the cat. I'm so moderate about abortion that the cat would make me feel bad. Because I love animals so much.
I have no problem with humans in cages. Cause as Marsh stated earlier, if you choose to sell yourself for laughs, that's your buisness. But animals in cages, they didn't choose to be there.
But in all. Hyprocrisy is common. And it will probably never go away.
<3
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:38 am
Anyone arguing against animals in cages, zoos or anything else those animals are treated well and if they do a trick they are rewarded as an animal trainer in training you can not force an animal to do something if you give it a command and it CHOOSES not to follow then there is nothing you can do about it. As for killing of animals well they are killed in the most humane ways possible, not like in the old days where daddy gave it a 22 lunch. as for abortion screw 'em if they kill there unborn child thats there business not yours how would you like it if you are brushing your teeth and don't turn the tap off then go to take the tea kettle off the stove. Would you like it if people came into your house with signs and chanting that you are killing the planet?
well thats my 2 bits.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:20 pm
marshjazz Well actually I find nothing wrong with humans in cages, but don't like the idea of animals in cages. I despise the human race, and if your selling yourself to be laughed at that is you bisuness not mine. However animals never hurt unless they feel threatened. Animals are more important to me than anything, beside my mother. I would probably hit that chick in the face. There is no reason to kill a cat, especially a pregnent one. As for abortion, I'm pro-choice. My opinion is "Who cares, like we need more humans in this world? There are already 6 billion of us. More than any other species of animal in this world." I'm not a vegitarian, but I try not to overly eat meat. I mean one vegitarian doesn't stop the cows from being killed, and I like my steak. But yes humans are very hypocritical. Humans are humans. They do whatever benefits themselves the most. Your post is full of speculation and misunderstandings. Sane animals do not attack unless they feel threatened--or, depending on the animal, hungry--neither do sane humans. The ones that hurt for no practical reason are deranged. There are deranged animals that attack for no practical reason either. If people were in a cages would they be selling themselves or would the be slaves? Certainly there must be some that would be selling themselves but sane persons would never choose to live an imprisoned life--it goes against instinct. Humans are animals. We're not really that different. You seem to think that human nature truly sets us apart, but not even the greatest philosophers and scientists can come up with what human nature truly is. The best they can decide is that we're just highly advanced animals with more complex needs. Also, there are far more than six billion of many animals worldwide. Your seemingly impassioned post is nothing more than you spouting of falsities.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:59 pm
Humans are the only animal that I know that will kill for greed.
What is your point to your people in cages arguement?
As for the 6 billion part. Yeah, ants, fleas, lice. Name a mammal that has over 6 billion.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:47 pm
marshjazz Humans are the only animal that I know that will kill for greed.
What is your point to your people in cages arguement?
As for the 6 billion part. Yeah, ants, fleas, lice. Name a mammal that has over 6 billion. So you're saying greed is natural and not delirium? My point is that no fully cognizant being would choose to be in a cage. It goes against nature. You would have realized that had you properly read my post. Ohhh, so only mammals are worth comparing humans to? Are the others not cuddly enough? You question, by the way, is tricky because it really depends where you draw the line. Do you separate human races as species or take them all as a whole? There are varying bone and joint structures among the different races. It seems to me that that would be sufficient to describe them, at least in this case, as being of a separate species. If you do that, the numbers don't seem quite so staggering at all. According to the CIA World Factbook, roughly 56,597,034 people die--of natural and unnatural causes each year. In the US only, there are 3-4 Million cats and dogs euthenized a year. So, we'll just estimate 1.5-2 million a year each. Now, I realize that that's only 1/23 of the number of humans that die each year, but this is only for cats and dogs that are euthenized in one country. If you include every country and every form of death, the results are quite different. There are roughly 500 million domesticated cats in the world. This, obviously, does not include any cats that live outside, so that number is embarrassingly low, especially considering most cats are not domestic. Rodents actually make up 42% of all mammals in the world. Primates--of which humans are a sub-group--only make up 9%. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Mammal_species_pie_chart.pngDo you see now that we're not as overwhelming as you made us out to be? We're just one animal on a planet of ... well, no one knows the exact number but it is well above the quadrillions. Now, you back up the idiocies that you stated? Or do you not have evidence?
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:00 am
Greed is not natural. Animals don't kill for greed. They don't have money to be greedy over. They take what they need and only what they need.
They would choose to be in a cage if that is how they got money. No fully cognizant being who needed money and couldn't find a job elsewhere would pass that up.
I don't seperate human races, as they aren't different species.
Billions > Millions
Also, I know that there was a story on the news a few months ago proclaiming that the 6 billionth baby was going to be born that day. Wether or not you believe me.
Rodents, which includes multiple species.
No, I don't see that we're not as overwhelming as you made us out to be. Not idiocies, my opinion.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:32 am
marshjazz Greed is not natural. Animals don't kill for greed. They don't have money to be greedy over. They take what they need and only what they need.
They would choose to be in a cage if that is how they got money. No fully cognizant being who needed money and couldn't find a job elsewhere would pass that up.
I don't seperate human races, as they aren't different species.
Billions > Millions
Also, I know that there was a story on the news a few months ago proclaiming that the 6 billionth baby was going to be born that day. Wether or not you believe me.
Rodents, which includes multiple species.
No, I don't see that we're not as overwhelming as you made us out to be. Not idiocies, my opinion. You really think someone in sound mind would choose slavery? That's obnoxious. Why not separate (Learn how to spell) human races as differenr species? There are the same differences between different cats or rodents. Humans are of the Hominidae family which is part of the Hominoidea Superfamily. WIthin the Hominidae family, there are a mere seven species. We are primates, monkeys, animals. There are less than 300 species of primates. According to you, humans are just one species of primate. So, of the minute nine percent of all mammals that are primates, humans make up only one species. And you don't seem to care that there are five times the number of rodents than humans. What it basically boils down to is that you cannot be argued with because you're too blinded by pride or intentional ignorance to understand reason and logic. What I've been talking about are truths not opinions. Opinions, by nature, cannot be idiocies--ill informed, yes, but not wrong. What you spouted off, however, were untruths. Untruths are, indeed, idiotic. How old are you anyway? Have you ever even had a biology class?
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:12 pm
And you attacking me, is really making you look older. rolleyes
If your in a cage as a circus act and getting paid that isn't slavery. They CHOOSE to be in that cage. It's not like they are forced to be there without any say, like the animals.
Once again. How many different kinds of rodents are there? Many different types. Even if there are more rats than humans (or any other species of rodent), one human consumes and uses more than one rodent.
Because scientifically we are all Homo Sapians. Science doens't separate by race, I don't seperate by race.
I can be argued with, you attacking me doesn't change my opinion. What I have been talking about are opinions based on what I know and have seen in my lifetime. Just as you think my age has something to do with anything, which it has nothing to do with nothing, but that is your opinion, that if I was 13 or 14 my opinion would be less valid. That if I'm younger than you, the reason why my opinions are my opinion is because of my age. When in fact 50 year olds can have the same opinion as a 10 year old. Age has nothing to do with this arguement.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:12 pm
marshjazz And you attacking me, is really making you look older. rolleyes
If your in a cage as a circus act and getting paid that isn't slavery. They CHOOSE to be in that cage. It's not like they are forced to be there without any say, like the animals.
Once again. How many different kinds of rodents are there? Many different types. Even if there are more rats than humans (or any other species of rodent), one human consumes and uses more than one rodent.
Because scientifically we are all Homo Sapians. Science doens't separate by race, I don't seperate by race.
I can be argued with, you attacking me doesn't change my opinion. What I have been talking about are opinions based on what I know and have seen in my lifetime. Just as you think my age has something to do with anything, which it has nothing to do with nothing, but that is your opinion, that if I was 13 or 14 my opinion would be less valid. That if I'm younger than you, the reason why my opinions are my opinion is because of my age. When in fact 50 year olds can have the same opinion as a 10 year old. Age has nothing to do with this arguement. Age, actually, can have a lot to do with it. Depending on your age, you may have recieved more or less education. I've seen from your profile that you're about 15. This shows that you've had over half a decade less education than me--assuming that you haven't skipped grades or gone through advanced schools (Which is a very safe bet considering your spelling and sentence structure). Also, when you keep changing the scenario, it makes your argument continuously weaker. First you stated that there are no animals that are more populous than humans. When I stated that you were wrong, you change it to mammals. When I stated that you were wrong on that as well, you changed it from population to consumption. I never claimed that humans use less resources than anything else. In fact, it's an undisputed fact. I really don't know what circuses you've been to, but I've never seen someone in a cage, ever. I've been to my share of circuses. I've never even heard of this happening in real life. Also, if someone is in a cage, why would they get paid? That doesn't make since. If they're trapped in that cage, they would have no need for money since they would never be let out. If they're let out, they're not really encaged, just acting.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:15 pm
By your math skills I can certainly tell that that over half a decade has really made a difference. Wow, over 5 years difference. Your so much older, go buy your self a cane, you certianly have gained alot of wisdom with your 5 years. By your math, your still in college or just getting out, since I'm 15. >not< And again I bring up that you know exactly didly sqwat about me. Including where my 15 year old self goes to school and what advanced programs I am in, nor wether I have skipped a grade or not. How do you even know English is my first language? You don't. There are a number of different reasons why my spelling and grammar could be incorrect. You might be interested in reading this thread. Especially the part about Ad Hominem arguement. But don't worry, it's right at the top, so you wont have to read that much. wink
Now that that is over. I'm talking about cage acts. I'm not talking about abduction. But they get paid for being a show. An attraction. I have seen plenty of cage acts. They have atleast 5 every year at the fair. It is obvious they are fake, but it is entertaining to the 5 or 6 year olds. Although they usually aren't litterally in cages, most of the time in a tent and sometimes in restraints. When do you "see" people who are abducted in cages? I have never seen news footage of that.
I'm not changing the scenario. There is a difference between billions of fleas and billions humans. Can you agree to that? I may have changed alittle there, but I was speaking more in general terms than specifics, when I first stated that there were more humans then any species of animal. Now I didn't change the scenario from mammals to consumption. I said either way. As in it doesn't matter if there were 100 times more rats in this world than humans, humans would still consume more. And also, you have yet to state that I was wrong about there being more of a single species of mammal compared to humans.
Edits!
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