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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:26 am
I don't think the second half was as good at the first, due to DT's lengthened struggle to choose between J. Smith or the Doctor. I can understand that it was a difficult decision, but I think they streched it. However, I will commend DT for his fantastic acting- literally playing two characters in the same episode and doing it well and distinguishable.
Tho, you would think that for a dying species of Alien bent on universal domination, they wouldn't connect all their ship's vital pipes to the heater! Nitwits.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:07 am
I liked it a lot. It wasn't as good as the first part, though.
The scene with John trying to decide what to do... Well, it did drag on a bit. But other than that, it was perfect. I loved it. I do wish we could have seen the Doctor actually change.
And the end... where the Doctor is trying to get the nurse to come with him... That was so sad. I wonder if he still feels love for her from John Smith?
The thing with what he did with each member of the family... odd. I only liked it because we got to see nomercy!Doctor again.
Overall, good episode. GREAT two-parter.
I can't wait for Jack to come back... And the next 'Doctor-lite' episode looks really cool.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:27 am
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:43 am
I really perfered the first half. I hate mushy stuff and the whole come with me matron was very gonk to me! It was all very predicatble too. I however liked the little bit with the war memorial at the end i was all like oh no..... The family were pretty cool i thought the little girl was freaky. Growl at the silly whiney John smith ! ! !
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:54 pm
The trouble with this episode is that you get the feeling the wrong man lived at the end of it. Like The Girl in The Fireplace the doctor's back destroying the lives of any and all he comes into contact with. Martha's obsession is a long way away from being healthy, and the way he just assumes he's this better version of John Smith in the end is far from decent towards the people who've unwittingly helped protect his disguise.
Which leads me to another point. Why was he hiding exactly? For starters if he could throw his smell like that all along why didn't he just do that in the first place and bluff the Family into lowering their guard? When push came to shove they were just like any other rent-a-villain who could be outwitted with the old random button pressery trick. His going to such extreme lengths to protect himself seems a little suspect after a second look. When it's someone else whose life's in peril he's got no problem about getting involved but for once *he* was the target. And basically he ran off and hid like a big girly coward o_o Some hero.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:24 pm
Anakoreta Enjou_Garyuu I HATE BEING IN GOD DAMN BLOODY AMERICA!!!!
You all make it sound so f*cking awsome. I really want to punch something right now. scream I feel your pain. gonk
Whovian Living in the States = No Fun yeah, but the Internet is a savior...I thought that the episode was kinda sad...but cute in the end with the little boy at war
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:41 pm
You know, despite their fates, the Family did survive. Have we truly seen the last of them? I would love to at least see Jeremy Baines return, somehow freed from his scarecrow prison intent on laying vengeance on the Doctor for what he did to his family.
Harry Lloyd makes one hell of a creepy villain. I really hope he comes back sometime in the future. Who's to say that the he won't find a way to unfreeze himself from time. Remember, he's ever so good at science. twisted
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:51 am
heart Well, I loved it. I thought the whole "John Smith/Doctor" internal struggle was played out wonderfully, but I was quite glad to see Smith go, he got on my nerves a bit. Disappointed to see the end of Baines, loved him, thought he was wonderfully creepy and bizarre, he was clearly the star of The Family. surprised Do hope we'll see him again, in some form or another.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:17 am
I watched this episode at a friend's house, and we loved it! it was spoilt by three things - My friends little brother, who was hyper and couldn't keep still The 'trapped in every mirror in existence' stuff. And it had my SCHOOL HYMN! (Although it was kind of fun annoying the hell out of everyone by singing it really loud!)
Loved it!
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:33 am
no wonder Dr.Who makes fun of humans all the time about their feelings. he was such a wimp, and that whole sequence of trying to talk him into becoming the doctor was a little too long. but all in all it was a good episode, and the fact that we got to see DW look old was hilarious.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:20 pm
Jettrick When it's someone else whose life's in peril he's got no problem about getting involved but for once *he* was the target. And basically he ran off and hid like a big girly coward o_o Some hero. Exactly. Also, he got a load of people killed in the process. But really, the thing that pissed me off the most about this episode was the whole "lonely god" thing. He defeated the enemy with the deus ex machina buttons and killed them with impossible stunts, having spent the rest of the episode being stupid. Other than that though, it was more-or-less significantly OK.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:36 pm
Maybe the Torchwood team could come across frozen!Baines... That would be cool. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:15 pm
I think a lot of this Lonely God stuff comes from the Paul Cornell books in the Virgin novel series...and guess who wrote this one in the first place...? He also has a sometimes-annoying habit of doing weird, poetic &/or symbolic things in his Who novels, like dancing with Death waaaay back at the beginning of the Virgin novel series, & having owls in so many of his books. I'm amazed owls didn't get into this episode.
As for whether being dumped in a black hole would kill the mother--I've heard it theorised that everything gets infinately stretched out on the event horizon, including time, so you'd end up effectively falling into the black hole forever without reaching it. I'd bet that's what they were thinking.
I liked this episode OK except for the ending. I actually liked Tim better than most anything else in this story.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:59 am
I think the main problem with the ending is that it's so tonally inconsistent with how the 10th Doctor normally dispatches his enemies. Killing the Sycorax leader with a satsuma is one thing, but binding people in unbreakable chains and trapping people in every mirror in the universe?! Yeah, that might have worked in the novel version (which I never read) featuring the 7th Doctor, what with all those mind games and traps he kept setting up for his enemies, but it just doesn't jive with the Doctor as we know him today.
Poor Doctor keeps getting rejected. First by Donna, and now by that nurse girlfriend of his. That makes him 1 out of 3 since the departure of Rose, and he originally didn't even really want Martha to hang around for as long as she had... she just sort of kept sticking to him like gum on the bottom of one's shoe.
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Hairy Priest Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:55 pm
Great episode, not as good as the first one but still good. I almost cried when John Smith was with Matron and saw what his future could be. He was crying, or at least almost, and I was gonk that poor guy is pretty much accepting the fact that he has to die. They closed most of the big yawning plotholes from the first episode, but made a few new ones too. They never really explained how that boy could see the future, oh well. And I don't know how bad being a American Whovian, but here in Canada I haven't even found anyone else who watches Dr.Who, let alone likes it! How can so many people have never heard of Dr.Who scream !
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