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SirKirbance

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:34 am


That's an excellent point Worm of Morgoth made a couple of posts ago. Traveling to the same place at a different time, and the same time in a different place could be analogous. Of course there is a small chance - I should say a very small chance - that the Delorean would end up in the right space, or at least on Earth.

I had a thought of my own, now that I think back on a book I read about time travel. The author of that book referenced the main character in H.G. Wells famous novel The Time Machine. The inventor of the time machine had a miniature version of his time machine. He explained to his scientific colleagues that they could see it's spatial dimensions, but overlooked another dimension - that of time. The mini time machine stretched across time from its creation to its destruction just as surely as it stretched across it's width, depth, or height. This basically added another dimension to its volume so to speak. I mention this because this issue here really breaks the issue of time travel into two very different schools of thought - both of which can treat time as being analogous to the spatial dimensions.

The first school of though is that of H.G. Wells inventor. Objects exist across time. This is also the thought of the author of the other book I read. He described an object as existing across time, and if ever this object was to cross itself somehow along it's time-dimension time travel could be said to have occurred. This is true regardless of whether the object over contacts itself in any of the other spatial dimensions.

The second school of thought, which I hold and I think Worm of Morgoth would be in based on his comment is that physical objects exist as points in relation to the fouth dimension of time. This is a dimension to be traveled through, not extended across. This means that we can never meet ourselves in another time - past or present - because we can only exist in one time at a time (if that makes sense). It is a mystery to me why time travel seems one directional, but I suppose it has to do with entropy. Also this helps me clarify my point from my first post. I don't think that "relative" time travel is possible even though we are all technically traveling through time (according to this second school of thought). My thinking is that the whole universe exists in the same instant of time and travels through time at the same rate. Relativity and time dilation do not violate this point because, as I said before, even though clocks slow down they still coexist with the rest of the universe. To "time travel" in my picture would be akin to leaving the universe all together - like a motorcycle dropping out of a pack on a long stretch of highway. That is just my opinion of course, which is not to dismiss anyone else's different opinion.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:12 pm


Ok semes im the only person that reads books on physics...

Time travel is possible
ON A ATOMIC LEVEL!!!!!!!

if u construct a tube
fill it with a certan gas, iv lost the book it was in,
and shot a light beam in it
the beam, acelrated by the gas,
will come out a microsecounds befor it went in
this experiment has been proformed a number of times

but if u try to put anything on this beam, and im talking like 1 bit of information, the information will lag behind at the speed of light

proving time travel is possible on a microscopic level

this also proves the idea of conventual time travel, like sending a person,
is imposible.

Tigerstone12


Emily`s_Gone_Mad

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:21 pm


Akira Seki
Black holes aren't faster than the speed of light. What you are thinking of is the escape velocity from a black hole is faster than the speed of light. That is why light can escape.


I thought not even light could escape a black hole?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:27 pm


SirKirbance


This brings me to my second reason, which is admittedly philisophical/spiritual in nature. Echoing what Radioactive Mud said, I believe that there is only one of me. I do not believe that other versions of myself exist either in other times - past or future - or in any parallel universes. Basically if another me existed I'd know it because it would have the same consciousness as me. This involves the collapse of the quantum wave. I believe that consciousness (I believe in God and souls by the way) collapses the quantum wave and requires reality to coelesce into a single tangible reality. In the absence of a conscious presence, the universe takes a quantum wave form.



I also don't believe there are other versions of me.

I mean I belive that time travel could be possible, but ...I ...it's very complicated. xp
I'm like 50/50.

If I were to time travel back like 5min...there would be another me..right?
I don't (really) believe that.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I believe time travel is possible ...but not in a recent history.
If that makes any sence at all.
I don't think time travel would be able to travel such a short time back or foward.
I know it's not anything scientific...It's just a thought of mine.
sweatdrop

Emily`s_Gone_Mad


tiki_boyX2
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:54 pm


Emily`s_Gone_Mad


If I were to time travel back like 5min...there would be another me..right?


No, Law of conservation of matter would still apply since it is still a dimension, or at least I would imagine, and from a Calculus point of veiw you'd still have to travel through every point in time between the two points being traveled between meaning there would be an infinite number of yourself by the time you get to the desired point in time in the past. Which makes no sense since that would be creating massive amounts of matter in a specific way with particular arrangements and....phew....Just so complex....But yeah...I know we can easily make you go forward in time, my solution is to just be Cryogenically frozen for the desired amount of time you want to travel forward. mrgreen But that isn't exactly what we're talking about.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:29 pm


Atomic Sky
To go faster than the speed of light, you'll need more than infinite energy.
You'll need infinate energy to reach the speed of light. You'll need more than infinate to exceed it.

VoijaRisa


Emily`s_Gone_Mad

PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:35 pm


tiki_boyX2
Emily`s_Gone_Mad


If I were to time travel back like 5min...there would be another me..right?


No, Law of conservation of matter would still apply since it is still a dimension, or at least I would imagine, and from a Calculus point of veiw you'd still have to travel through every point in time between the two points being traveled between meaning there would be an infinite number of yourself by the time you get to the desired point in time in the past. Which makes no sense since that would be creating massive amounts of matter in a specific way with particular arrangements and....phew....Just so complex....But yeah...I know we can easily make you go forward in time, my solution is to just be Cryogenically frozen for the desired amount of time you want to travel forward. mrgreen But that isn't exactly what we're talking about.


Ooh, well it must of gone right over my head.

*reads posts...again*
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:54 pm


Tigerstone12
Ok semes im the only person that reads books on physics...

Time travel is possible
ON A ATOMIC LEVEL!!!!!!!

if u construct a tube
fill it with a certan gas, iv lost the book it was in,
and shot a light beam in it
the beam, acelrated by the gas,
will come out a microsecounds befor it went in
this experiment has been proformed a number of times

but if u try to put anything on this beam, and im talking like 1 bit of information, the information will lag behind at the speed of light

proving time travel is possible on a microscopic level

this also proves the idea of conventual time travel, like sending a person,
is imposible.


So the light comes out the tube before it goes in?

SirKirbance


dizzyk
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:46 pm


Tigerstone12
...proving time travel is possible on a microscopic level

this also proves the idea of conventual time travel, like sending a person,
is imposible.


I don't believe it proves "conventional" time travel for things and humans is impossible-- I think it proves that at this time, with what we know, we cannot do it.

If it is possible on a microscopic level, then there still may be a way to do it on the larger scale- we just haven't progressed far enough to figure it out.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:12 am


Now here's something interesting, I today watched a movie that was more or less about Quantum Physics, and this is what I inquired from it about time travel, well to a degree.

Some experiments have been done involving a computer that randomly generates either a very calm picture or an extremely emotional picture, and a person who's Brain waves, heart functions, and other small things are being monitored, and the person just presses a button, and is already aware that a picture will come up, but is not aware a picture of what. And it is Rather interesting as to what they've found, Fractions of seconds before the image appears to the senses of the person after that person has pressed the button, his heart functions, brain wave patterns, ect. actually react to the picture before it shows up, so when an emotiional picture is about to appear to functions are are more, well emotional, for a better lack of words. And when a calm picture appears the functions remain calm. So with this, the experiment is showing that somehow the Future directly influences the present to make the future be what it is about to be. I'm not sure if I worded that how I would've liked, but then again it is rather difficult to put into words. sweatdrop So yes, not a whole lot to do with Practical actual time travel, but It had to to do with time, and well, the travel of something. But it is interesting, so I posted it here for all to ponder.

tiki_boyX2
Crew


SirKirbance

PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:49 pm


Was that a fiction movie or something true? I saw something similar (supposedly true) that didn't involve time travel. It showed that people really could have "gut feelings". One person in a room was shown pictures and a person kept totally separate was tested for physiological reactions associated with having a gut feeling. Kind of a psychic thing. Interestingly the isolated person would have "gut feelings" most often when the other person was looking at pictures of food. rofl But back on topic. What your post suggests seems not to be a physical object traveling throught time, but more like a reversal in cause and effect - future causes with present effects. That could be possible by quantum mechanics I suppose.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:52 am


SirKirbance
Was that a fiction movie or something true? I saw something similar (supposedly true) that didn't involve time travel. It showed that people really could have "gut feelings". One person in a room was shown pictures and a person kept totally separate was tested for physiological reactions associated with having a gut feeling. Kind of a psychic thing. Interestingly the isolated person would have "gut feelings" most often when the other person was looking at pictures of food. rofl But back on topic. What your post suggests seems not to be a physical object traveling throught time, but more like a reversal in cause and effect - future causes with present effects. That could be possible by quantum mechanics I suppose.


Yeah, the information from that movie was rather flawed apparently, forgot I made this post otherwise I would have just Deleted that post.

tiki_boyX2
Crew


Einsteinmc2300

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:31 pm


here is the real answer no matter what other people say. light is the fastest speed in the universe because light does not travel through time! light only travels through space and since it needs no medium to travel accross it is super super fast. and doesnot require to travel through time because its the fastest thing in the universe. everything travels through both space and time besides light. biggrin
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:36 pm


What exactly does it mean that light does not travel through time? Does that mean it never ages or never changes? That would make sense. Time can only be experienced as far as I understand through causality and entropy, the fact that things change and retain memories of what they changed from. Anything that is unchangeable could be said not to travel through time.

SirKirbance


Sun Charm
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:36 pm


What it means is that you would be moving so fast that everything else around you would go faster and you would stay the same age a year later kind of like that.
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