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 Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:03 am
I'm pro-life.
I was born into poverty, and my mom could have easily killed me simply because of the money issue, or because my dad ran off on me. She didn't and carried me to term.
I mena she put me up for adpotion, but I think what she did for me was very hard, and I thank her for giving me my life when the only other alternative was death essentially.
I feel very strongly pro-life for that reason, and it's shown that brain function and nerves develop after 12 days... I mean that would suck to feel it. Considering how the procedure is done and stuff.
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:28 pm
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:37 pm
Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori, do you know how precious a child/baby/unborn baby is to a mother and a father? Wouldnt you think that to God the FATHER we are precious to him too?
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:01 pm
sweet_angiel Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori, do you know how precious a child/baby/unborn baby is to a mother and a father? Wouldnt you think that to God the FATHER we are precious to him too? Depends on the parents, doesn't it?
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:19 pm
SUPERSQUIRRELX I'm pro-life. I was born into poverty, and my mom could have easily killed me simply because of the money issue, or because my dad ran off on me. She didn't and carried me to term. I mena she put me up for adpotion, but I think what she did for me was very hard, and I thank her for giving me my life when the only other alternative was death essentially. I feel very strongly pro-life for that reason, and it's shown that brain function and nerves develop after 12 days... I mean that would suck to feel it. Considering how the procedure is done and stuff. Synaptic connections, which most neurophysicians believe are necessary to feel pain, are not formed until the third trimester. NOBODY believes fetii can feel pain 12 days after conception; the earliest date given by pro-life scientists is 7 weeks. No pro-choice scientists give a date in the first trimester, when abortions are generally performed.
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:20 pm
hmm from my point of veiws not only is it wrong biblically but it doesnt make sence. even when you compare it to other situations in life
rape? please, even if you dont want it THATS NO REASON TO ABORT! you can always give it up for adoption
the saying "AWWW BUT IT HURTS!" TOUGH! every mother goes through that kinda pain. if you made a chioce w/ stupidity then YOU have to PAY the CONCEQUENCES regardless on how you feel
abortion stops a beating heart its stop a growing person.
you might not think its a person bu it is. you just cant see it.
you see all these people fighting for the environment and such
but what happened to us? the human race our needs are important. we need food, homes, health just as much as anything.
so why defend something that cannot breathe, cannot see, cannot smell, cannot walk, cannot talk when you cant even defend something that actually has a chance of doing all of that
by the way this is comming from a 14 year old girl who's seen people ruin their lives because of this stunt.
and you can quote on that
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:11 pm
Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori promised_child Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori promised_child Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori Furthermore, in Genesis, man does not live until he takes his first breath: Clearly, the Bible is not pro-life, and neither is the Constitution. from The Pro-Choice Action Network: This passage allows only for the punishment of a man who injures a woman causing her to miscarry. However, a careful scrutiny of these verses uncovers a startling revelation. A miscarriage is punishable only by a fine, yet if there is any further harm, such as the death of the woman, the penalty is life for life! The implication of this passage is clear—the life of the unborn child is not accorded anywhere near the same status as the life of the woman. To put it another way, the man who causes a woman to miscarry is guilty not of murder, but a misdemeanor. Quote: With the second quote I could see the argument, but I think it might be taking it a little too far. Adam was formed from the dust. Not from a womb. The circumstance is different. Also from The Pro-Choice Action Network: The Hebrew word for human being or living soul is nephesh, which is also the word for "breathing." Nephesh occurs over 700 times in the Bible as the identifying factor in human life. Obviously, fetuses do not breath and therefore cannot be considered as human beings according to the Bible. Here is another verse that reinforces this conclusion. God says: "Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live." (Ezekiel 37:5) Quote: Needless to say, I would disagree with the statement that the Bible is pro-choice ^^ The Bible talks about how we were formed by God while still in the womb Quote: For you created my innermost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb Pslams 139:13 Also how the unborn child is still included in the sins of the world Quote: Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Psalms 51:5 PCAN: All this passage states is that God is directly involved in the creation of a fetus and knows its future. This is useless for the anti-choice position, since God creates all living things, including trees and bugs. Plus, just because God is supposedly omniscient doesn't give fetuses any special status—it simply means God already knows whether they will live or die. It is dishonest to conclude from this verse that a fetus is a human being deserving of more protection than women. The passage is poetic prose that anti-choicers have twisted and trivialized by giving it a literal, objective meaning where there is none. Quote: Also, in Job 31:15, Psalms 22:10, Isaiah 44:32, 24; and Jeremiah 1:5 talks about God's protection of the development of the unborn child. Please read PCAN on the Bible. http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/bible.shtml The hebrew word translated "breath" in Ezekial 37:5 is Quote: rûach roo'-akh From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y). From http://www.rcrc.org/pdf/RCRC_EdSeries_Fetus.pdf: Long before the abortion debate, scholars of the Old Testament agreed that the most important word describing a human being was nephesh, a word that occurs 755 times in the Hebrew Bible. As E. Jacob puts it, nephesh is "the usual term for man's total nature," and the defing characteristic of a nephesh is breath. In fact, Jacob argues that the etymology of nephesh goes back to a root word that means "to breathe". The classic text is Genesis 2:7: " the LORD God formed the earth creature of dusyt from the earth and breathed into its nostrils the breath of life, and the earth creature became a living nephesh. The language suggests a potter molding a vessel of clay- the form is made from the dust of the earth. But not until the form breathes is it a nephesh- as Hans Walter Wolff puts it, "a living being, a living person, a living individual." Another text that makes clear the relationship between nephesh and breathing is the story of the son of the widow from Zarephath (Kings 17:17-24). The son became ill and we are told that "there was not breath in him" (v. 17). The widow accused Elijah of bringing about her son's death (v. 1 cool , whereupon Elijah prayed to Yahweh God, asking why He had slain her son (v. 20). Elijah beseeched, "let this child's nephesh return to his inward parts" (v. 21). The prayer was answered; "the nephesh of the child returned to his inward parts and he lived" (v. 22). As Wolff comments, "Living creatures are in this way exactly defined in Hebrew language as creatures that breathe." It is this interconnection between nephesh as the living person and as breath that informs the miraculous vision of Ezekiel- the vision of the dry bones: "And as I looked, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them; but there was no breath in them" (Ezekiel 37: cool . Ezekiel calls for breath to come, and we are told that "the breath came into them, and they lived..." (Ezek. 37:10). Quote: Quote: Jer 1:1 Words of Jeremiah son of Hilkiah, of the priests who are in Anathoth, in the land of Benjamin, Jer 1:2 unto whom the word of Jehovah hath been in the days of Josiah son of Amon, king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign, Jer 1:3 and it is in the days of Jehoiakim son of Josiah, king of Judah, till the completion of the eleventh year of Zedekiah son of Josiah, king of Judah, till the removal of Jerusalem in the fifth month. Jer 1:4 And there is a word of Jehovah unto me, saying, Jer 1:5 `Before I form thee in the belly, I have known thee; and before thou comest forth from the womb I have separated thee, a prophet to nations I have made thee.' Jer 1:6 And I say, `Ah, Lord Jehovah! lo, I have not known--to speak, for I am a youth.' Jer 1:7 And Jehovah saith unto me, `Do not say, I am a youth, for to all to whom I send thee thou goest, and all that I command thee thou speakest. Jer 1:8 Be not afraid of their faces, for with thee am I to deliver thee, --an affirmation of Jehovah.' Jer 1:9 And Jehovah putteth forth His hand, and striketh against my mouth, and Jehovah saith unto me, `Lo, I have put my words in thy mouth. Jer 1:10 See, I have charged thee this day concerning the nations, and concerning the kingdoms, to pluck up, and to break down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.' these verses are some of the reasons I am pro-life. Jeremiah is not relevant, as it deals with a specific case not relatable to that of the population of a whole; a prophet. Quote: another is no matter how bad my life gets, my mother was strong enough to tell my grandfather( my dads dad) no when He ordered her to abort me. So, it was her CHOICE to keep you? Isn't that all the more reason to celebrate? Quote: these words spoken by Jerimiah are the reason NOT to kill our children in the womb. my third reason is, dare we kill our future? our children are our future just like we are the nations future. my mothers friend had so many abortions, that when she got pregnate with her son, she couldnt find a clinic who would do it. she had the baby, then she had another abortion then she had another baby, born two months early because she couldnt carry the baby to term, her uterin wall was so thin. then she had a histerectemy, she was 21. Anecdote=/=Rule. I don't agree with that kind of abortion either, if for no other reason that it puts a drain on society and puts the mother at extreme risks. Use a condom (For God's sake? XD ). Quote: Pro-choice doesnt allways have to do with the health of the mother. check out the FEMINIST FOR LIFE group http://www.feministsforlife.org its a non-christian group that can answer some of your questions. and you can put this in your report, if you want my proper name to quote me properly, PM me. I couldn't find any answers after 20 minutes on their site. Link. you sorta have to delve. i got my definition of that word from a HEBREW Old Testament, I am pro life fo my own reasons, Pro Life doesnt mean Anti Choice, it means that you value BOTH lives, mom and baby, there are other choices, that arent relly mentioned in the debate. as for other sites i used for my own HS paper : Rock for Life is one. as for how i found them: Google search Abortion
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:20 pm
I'm pro-life. However I don't think we should make it illegal. Making abortion illegal won't stop people from getting them, we have to change their minds not their laws.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:59 am
GO-YAFFA I'm pro-life. However I don't think we should make it illegal. Making abortion illegal won't stop people from getting them, we have to change their minds not their laws. Maybe you shouldn't call yourself "pro-life". The term "pro-life" is generally one adopted by those who wish to ban abortion. If you don't want to ban it, then you're "pro-choice".
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 5:11 pm
Cyberpunk Hero GO-YAFFA I'm pro-life. However I don't think we should make it illegal. Making abortion illegal won't stop people from getting them, we have to change their minds not their laws. Maybe you shouldn't call yourself "pro-life". The term "pro-life" is generally one adopted by those who wish to ban abortion. If you don't want to ban it, then you're "pro-choice".
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:06 am
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:33 am
GO-YAFFA Cyberpunk Hero GO-YAFFA I'm pro-life. However I don't think we should make it illegal. Making abortion illegal won't stop people from getting them, we have to change their minds not their laws. Maybe you shouldn't call yourself "pro-life". The term "pro-life" is generally one adopted by those who wish to ban abortion. If you don't want to ban it, then you're "pro-choice". What I'm trying to say is that we have to change the way people think about it before we can make it illegal. Wait, what? So, you want it to be illegal? Whether it is legal or not, there are going to be people who disagree. Disagreement is not really the issue when it comes to abortion. The issue is whether or not it should be legal.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:31 am
Cyberpunk Hero GO-YAFFA Cyberpunk Hero GO-YAFFA I'm pro-life. However I don't think we should make it illegal. Making abortion illegal won't stop people from getting them, we have to change their minds not their laws. Maybe you shouldn't call yourself "pro-life". The term "pro-life" is generally one adopted by those who wish to ban abortion. If you don't want to ban it, then you're "pro-choice". What I'm trying to say is that we have to change the way people think about it before we can make it illegal. Wait, what? So, you want it to be illegal? Whether it is legal or not, there are going to be people who disagree. Disagreement is not really the issue when it comes to abortion. The issue is whether or not it should be legal. You have such a talent for cutting through the crap. I love it.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:51 pm
Abortion was not legalized to be convenient for women who didn't wish to be pregnant for trivial reasons, nor was it legalized so doctors could murder unborn infants (leaving aside for now that "unborn infants" is an oxymoron). It was legalized because so many women are so desperate not to be pregnant sometimes that they will actually harm themselves or kill themselves trying to abort the pregnancy, which still kills the fetus anyway. Doctors fought for the legalization of abortion so such desperate women could legally and safely have the abortions and still live lives that could reproduce later.
However, I firmly believe that only women that desperate should have them (either because the pregnancy threatens the woman's health or life, or because being pregnant was not her fault such as in rape cases). Abortions such as these should be done in the first trimester only, just as Nature/God does abortions routinely (1/4 of all pregnancies abort themselves, usually in the first trimester, for reasons often known only to God, which we call miscarriages). After the first trimester, if the pregnancy must end to save the mother, all attempts to save the fetus should be made so that it has a chance at life, which could be very good given todays medical miracles!
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:27 pm
Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori Jeremiah is not relevant, as it deals with a specific case not relatable to that of the population of a whole; a prophet.
Unless of course I interpreted the meaning of that wrong, which is not entirely impossible sweatdrop
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