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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 4:09 pm
Dagda Best MusicalSpring Awakening It was definitely interesting. I wouldn't be surprised about curtains, and who knows, maybe Mary Poppins will pull an Avenue Q. No way does Mary Poppins have a chance in hell. It's up against the new Rent and a Kander and Ebb piece. Theatre politics alone put Curtains over it and the Tony voters are not big on Disney shows. Lion King only won way back when because it was different. Mary Poppins is traditional.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:02 pm
WickedElphie Dagda Best MusicalSpring Awakening It was definitely interesting. I wouldn't be surprised about curtains, and who knows, maybe Mary Poppins will pull an Avenue Q. No way does Mary Poppins have a chance in hell. It's up against the new Rent and a Kander and Ebb piece. Theatre politics alone put Curtains over it and the Tony voters are not big on Disney shows. Lion King only won way back when because it was different. Mary Poppins is traditional. Oh, I know, don't worry. smile Doesn't mean it wouldn't amuse the hell out me, though. I don't know if I would call Spring Awakening the new Rent, though. This was daring to make into a musical, but the themes it explores aren't anywhere near as current and gripping as Rent was. Not to say thatI cannot wait to see it, but yes. smile
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:20 pm
Dagda WickedElphie Dagda Best MusicalSpring Awakening It was definitely interesting. I wouldn't be surprised about curtains, and who knows, maybe Mary Poppins will pull an Avenue Q. No way does Mary Poppins have a chance in hell. It's up against the new Rent and a Kander and Ebb piece. Theatre politics alone put Curtains over it and the Tony voters are not big on Disney shows. Lion King only won way back when because it was different. Mary Poppins is traditional. Oh, I know, don't worry. smile Doesn't mean it wouldn't amuse the hell out me, though. I don't know if I would call Spring Awakening the new Rent, though. This was daring to make into a musical, but the themes it explores aren't anywhere near as current and gripping as Rent was. Not to say thatI cannot wait to see it, but yes. smile Somehow I can't see Mary Poppins and Avenue Q being related, even if it did go against all odds and win XD
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:11 pm
Ariies Dagda WickedElphie Dagda Best MusicalSpring Awakening It was definitely interesting. I wouldn't be surprised about curtains, and who knows, maybe Mary Poppins will pull an Avenue Q. No way does Mary Poppins have a chance in hell. It's up against the new Rent and a Kander and Ebb piece. Theatre politics alone put Curtains over it and the Tony voters are not big on Disney shows. Lion King only won way back when because it was different. Mary Poppins is traditional. Oh, I know, don't worry. smile Doesn't mean it wouldn't amuse the hell out me, though. I don't know if I would call Spring Awakening the new Rent, though. This was daring to make into a musical, but the themes it explores aren't anywhere near as current and gripping as Rent was. Not to say thatI cannot wait to see it, but yes. smile Somehow I can't see Mary Poppins and Avenue Q being related, even if it did go against all odds and win XDThat's basically it. xd Though one is one of my favorite musicals and another is one of my favorite movies...
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High-functioning Werewolf
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:10 pm
I have to say I haven't been as attentive this year (I was more than disenchanted with my losses last year AND college has kind of thrown me out of the theatre loop, even being a theatre major....-_- wink but I do have a couple of predictions prepared.
Best Play The Little Dog Laughed simply because I've been hearing a lot about it and it sounds fascinating. I won't be crushed if it doesn't win.
Best Musical Spring Awakening. I will be crushed if this doesn't win, even though I haven't seen it. I've seen the original play based on it and it is <3.
Best Revival of a Play Inherit the Wind because it is <3.
Best Revival of a Musical A Chorus Line even though it's not my favorite. It's going to win because it's A Chorus Line.
Best Special Theatrical Event I could not make an educated decision on either.
Best Performance by a Leading Actor in a Play Frank Langella, Frost/Nixon, he has it coming to him.
Best Performance by a Leading Actress in a Play Honestly I don't think I can make an educated decision on this, but I want to, and so I'm going to say Vanessa Redgrave, The Year of Magical Thinking becuase I want that play to win something.
Best Performance by a Leading Actor in a Musical Jonathan Groff, Spring Awakening, although I'm sure Michael Ceveris is surely going to be a contender and I won't be sad if he wins.
Best Performance by a Leading Actress in a Musical Christine Ebersole, Grey Gardens.
Best Performance by a Featured Actor in a Play Billy Crudup, The Coast of Utopia...the stamina needed for this play....outstanding.
Best Performance by a Featured Actress in a Play Xanthe Elbrick, Coram Boy....she portrays a little boy so well! ^_^
Best Performance by a Featured Actor in a Musical John Gallagher, Jr, Spring Awakening....I just want everybody to win EVERYTHING for this musical. ^_^
Best Performance by a Featured Actress in a Musical Mary Louise Wilson, Grey Gardens
Best Direction of a Play Jack O'Brien for The Coast of Utopia totally deserves his props, but I think Melly Still for Coram Boy is a lot more....deft of touch.
Best Direction of a Musical Scott Ellis, Curtains
Best Choreography Jerry Mitchell, Legally Blonde...cause it should win something.
Best Book of a Musical Steven Sater, Spring Awakening.
Best Original Score (Music and/or Lyrics) Written for the Theatre Music: Duncan Sheik; Lyrics: Steven Sater, Spring Awakening
Best Orchestrations Duncan Sheik, Spring Awakening, and it better win.
Best Scenic Design of a Play Ti Green and Melly Still, Coram Boy. It's freaking brilliant.
Best Scenic Design of a Musical Allen Moyer, Grey Gardens....if High Fidelity wins I will stab myself, no joke. Just because it's High Fidelity.
Best Costume Design of a Play Catherine Zuber, The Coast of Utopia. I love the beautiful rich 19th century look it has.
Best Costume Design of a Musical Susan Hilferty, Spring Awakening. Again, I'm a sucker for the Victorian look, even if it is stylized.
Best Lighting Design of a Play Paule Constable, Coram Boy. It's so ghostly.
Best Lighting Design of a Musical Howard Harrison, Mary Poppins....they just feel FANTASTIC.
Note that I'm trying hard to predict what I think WILL win and not what I WANT to win. I really want Mary Poppins to win more (except that I'm not a big Ashley Brown fan) but as it's been said by others, Disney tends to get ignored at the Tonys. I'm thinking that'll be the same case with Legally Blonde.
On a completely different note, can somebody please tell me how in the world The Pirate Queen didn't get nominated?!
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:00 pm
Dagda I don't know if I would call Spring Awakening the new Rent, though. This was daring to make into a musical, but the themes it explores aren't anywhere near as current and gripping as Rent was. Not to say thatI cannot wait to see it, but yes. smile Do you know anything about Spring Awakening? lol. I mean it might be set in 1891 Germany, but the issues are still highly current to today's youth including coming of age in your own body, sexual urges, homosexuality, and abortion. It's being compared to Rent because it's a musical that broke the out of the binds of traditional musical theatre and shook things up, gaining a popular audience with the youth of today... just like Rent did 11 years ago. I have not seen it, but two of my friends did and from what they told me it goes MUCH further into the topics then Rent even dared to go.
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WickedElphie Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:30 pm
WickedElphie Dagda I don't know if I would call Spring Awakening the new Rent, though. This was daring to make into a musical, but the themes it explores aren't anywhere near as current and gripping as Rent was. Not to say thatI cannot wait to see it, but yes. smile Do you know anything about Spring Awakening? lol. I mean it might be set in 1891 Germany, but the issues are still highly current to today's youth including coming of age in your own body, sexual urges, homosexuality, and abortion. It's being compared to Rent because it's a musical that broke the out of the binds of traditional musical theatre and shook things up, gaining a popular audience with the youth of today... just like Rent did 11 years ago. I have not seen it, but two of my friends did and from what they told me it goes MUCH further into the topics then Rent even dared to go. If that's the case, then it is a huge shift from the original play. I read it and saw a production and it just left me dry. A lot of what people today read into it didn't seem to actually be a part of its intention. I'll agree that it breaks out of traditional musical theatre, but I wouldn't say in a good way. Rent broke the binds with its content and musical style and orchestrations. It revived sung-through musicals and really set a bar for theatre production. As for Spring Awakening, I just don't think it's been around long enough yet and its source material just leaves me flat. I'm willing to accept that it touches a lot of people, but for me, the current touch is just so emo it hurts. I do want to see it before passing my final call on it, but just from knowing the original play, hearing what people say, and watching clips, it just doesn't really scream to me to be groundbreaking. I still would have a hard time choosing between seeing this and Avenue Q, however.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:59 pm
Well if you like puppets having sex and making a mockery of what good musical theatre is... then go see Avenue Q, cus that's about all it's good for.
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WickedElphie Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:51 pm
Dagda WickedElphie Dagda I don't know if I would call Spring Awakening the new Rent, though. This was daring to make into a musical, but the themes it explores aren't anywhere near as current and gripping as Rent was. Not to say thatI cannot wait to see it, but yes. smile Do you know anything about Spring Awakening? lol. I mean it might be set in 1891 Germany, but the issues are still highly current to today's youth including coming of age in your own body, sexual urges, homosexuality, and abortion. It's being compared to Rent because it's a musical that broke the out of the binds of traditional musical theatre and shook things up, gaining a popular audience with the youth of today... just like Rent did 11 years ago. I have not seen it, but two of my friends did and from what they told me it goes MUCH further into the topics then Rent even dared to go. If that's the case, then it is a huge shift from the original play. I read it and saw a production and it just left me dry. A lot of what people today read into it didn't seem to actually be a part of its intention. I'll agree that it breaks out of traditional musical theatre, but I wouldn't say in a good way. Rent broke the binds with its content and musical style and orchestrations. It revived sung-through musicals and really set a bar for theatre production. As for Spring Awakening, I just don't think it's been around long enough yet and its source material just leaves me flat. I'm willing to accept that it touches a lot of people, but for me, the current touch is just so emo it hurts. I do want to see it before passing my final call on it, but just from knowing the original play, hearing what people say, and watching clips, it just doesn't really scream to me to be groundbreaking. I still would have a hard time choosing between seeing this and Avenue Q, however.
Okay, okay. Judge the play all you want, but OF COURSE the musical is different, and you can't go saying it's any less worthy, less interesting, or less groundbreaking than RENT until you've actually seen it. Clips, songs, source, that's nothing in the large scheme of a show. Do I think it's the "new RENT?" No. I don't think the two really have anything in common besides brining the youth of today into theatre culture through the musical and relavent, intreguing themes. But I do think Spring Awakening, in different ways, is equally as groundbreaking. And yes, although this is probably largely DUE to RENT, I do think Spring Awakening is, at least today, more daring than RENT.
So until you've seen the set, the acting, the intricate mesh of time periods across the ages, the artistic design and dialogue, plot, live songs, acting, lighting, don't say it's "so emo it hurts" or what not.
And, my personal opinion, Avenue Q's the better show wink
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:55 pm
WickedElphie Well if you like puppets having sex and making a mockery of what good musical theatre is... then go see Avenue Q, cus that's about all it's good for. Woah, woah, woah. Can we stop this insane bashing? Please?
And now I'm going to have to go ahead and drill you, because writing that little speech for Spring Awakening wasn't enough.
Have you SEEN Avenue Q? Comedy, really good comedy that doesn't give a crap about social taboo, doesn't have to be a mockery of good musical theatre. Because I will tell you staight out, Avenue Q IS good musical theatre. It's is hilarious and entertaining, as well as really, really full of heart. The puppetry/actor crossover is new brilliance, and I'd have to say all around this is one of the best new shows I've seen.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:20 pm
Just so we're clear, I'm not actually upset. I just like theatre debate and it's rare to have people I can really chat about musicals with as my school was full of teachers who didn't find musical theatre to be "legitimate theatre" and scorned students who tried to push it in the department.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:40 pm
Dagda Just so we're clear, I'm not actually upset. I just like theatre debate and it's rare to have people I can really chat about musicals with as my school was full of teachers who didn't find musical theatre to be "legitimate theatre" and scorned students who tried to push it in the department. Minus the teachers' feelings toward musical theatre, I'm the same. I just enjoy debating, and debating my favourite things is always the best. I rarely have conversations about musical theatre at my school that span ANYWHERE beyond Wicked and RENT.
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WickedElphie Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:29 pm
I have seen Avenue Q and it made me sick. Like LITERALLY sick to my stomach. I was on board the Avenue Q train when it first came out. I listened to the CD all the time. Thought the concept of using puppets was great. I even liked the little bits of it I saw on TVs and websites. I started to get a distaste for it around the time of the Tony's that year when I heard how they were treating the awards like an election campaign which in my opinion is a bit offensive and sneaky right there. Then once I actually saw it for myself... well like I said before. It made me sick. I was okay at first but as the show went on I just couldn't stand it. It was much more offensive then I thought it was going to be which was TO offensive for my taste and for me it the jokes and gags were all around in bad taste. I found myself completely taken out of the show because it was just turning me off so much.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:35 am
WickedElphie I have seen Avenue Q and it made me sick. Like LITERALLY sick to my stomach. I was on board the Avenue Q train when it first came out. I listened to the CD all the time. Thought the concept of using puppets was great. I even liked the little bits of it I saw on TVs and websites. I started to get a distaste for it around the time of the Tony's that year when I heard how they were treating the awards like an election campaign which in my opinion is a bit offensive and sneaky right there. Then once I actually saw it for myself... well like I said before. It made me sick. I was okay at first but as the show went on I just couldn't stand it. It was much more offensive then I thought it was going to be which was TO offensive for my taste and for me it the jokes and gags were all around in bad taste. I found myself completely taken out of the show because it was just turning me off so much. Fair enough. I actually thought Avenue Q was much less radical and boundry breaking than it could have been. But I think, to some extent, it takes the stand point of there being no limits to humour; we talked about this all the time in my Comedy in Literature class last year. What makes something funny is the truth to it, and the release of supressing something taboo or closed. Bad taste is opinion, but I thought the humour in Q was just genius. As for the champaign thing...again, I think they were just taking the truth and putting it out there in the open. What are the Tonys really about? It's what a small group of people with the same vision of "good theatre" decide. It's going to politics and favouritism and what not.
What did you find so offensive about it?
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:17 am
WickedElphie I have seen Avenue Q and it made me sick. Like LITERALLY sick to my stomach. I was on board the Avenue Q train when it first came out. I listened to the CD all the time. Thought the concept of using puppets was great. I even liked the little bits of it I saw on TVs and websites. I started to get a distaste for it around the time of the Tony's that year when I heard how they were treating the awards like an election campaign which in my opinion is a bit offensive and sneaky right there. Then once I actually saw it for myself... well like I said before. It made me sick. I was okay at first but as the show went on I just couldn't stand it. It was much more offensive then I thought it was going to be which was TO offensive for my taste and for me it the jokes and gags were all around in bad taste. I found myself completely taken out of the show because it was just turning me off so much. I am curious what you found offensive about the show as well. I can understand the bad taste thing, as that is definitely your opinion and should be honored as thus, but I just loved the vehicle chosen for their humor. To me, it was a Sesame Street movie, complete with morals and education, running headfirst into a comedy club, which smashed into musical theatre and that appealed to every part of me as I have wanted to work on Sesame Street since I understood that the puppets weren't real people. The Tonys in general frustrate me, however. They don't always award the correct show and groundbreaking material usually isn't looked upon as such until a few years later and it's too late. The politics involved really have no place in theatre and it makes me sick to my stomach overall how much the producers all campaign and pimp Broadway. Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind it if it were a public choice, if they could find a way to limit one vote to a person. smile
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