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 Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:51 pm
VoijaRisa Jubillie When you have a better chance of producing an offspring with better genetics with some more random mate, with better chance for future survival.. When there's 6 billion people on this planet and it's increasing exponentially, survival is NOT something that's a concern. Another bullshit reason.
lol
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I didn't mean human population survival.
I meant better surviving at the individual level with better traits...than that of our own blood line.
And better looking too!
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:14 pm
What I wonder about is the long term affects if cousins continue to marry down the line...for instance the royals in Europe and Rome had genetic disorders such as hemophilia.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:04 pm
Jad-Hoven Question on terminology. Birth defect specifically refers to phyical abnormallities present at birth. Genetic diseases are normally used to refer to genetic problems (without overt physical manifestations). Both these are listed under the more general heading of Congenital disorders. So basically when you say the risk of Birth Defects is 4-6% are you refering to "Birth Defects" (as defined above) or all Congenital Disorders? Also could you post some links as to where you got the numbers on that I am having trouble digging anything up myself. If I understand (and remember) well enough, I believe that the percentage is the more general heading 'Congenial Disorders', as you call it. I never bothered to check the terminology, sorry about that, I'm sorta lazy like that. Cousin Couples used 'Birth Defect', yet it seems to imply Congenial disorders... if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me on that, it's happened before. A general site that I used was Cousin Couples, though some of their data is out of date. I don't think I used a lot of numbers, just the percentage and the forty year woman statistic, which, if I recall correctly, was also in "Forbidden Relatives: The American Myth of Cousin Marriage". To be honest, I'm drawing somewhat on my memories of that book. I know 20/20 did a report on the subject as well, but I can't find a link to that at the moment. kitten22481: My apologies about that, I misunderstood. The problem is, hemophilia is a sex linked gene carried on the X chromosome. Any male child has about 50-50 odds of having it. In your example, a queen with the gene (not expressing it) has those odds with male children. There is a risk, of course, of interbreeding excessively, and encouraging genetic disorders. However, if the family has a clean genetic bill of health, and carries few or no recessive problems like hemophilia, in theory, there is no risk. However, we really don't know everything there is to know about the human genome yet...
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:37 am
That is what I was talking about, excessive inbreeding. I am pretty sure that it was common back in history in order to keep royal blood pure. It is a shame they had no clue about genetics. Interesting Essay on the Topic
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:53 pm
Not really. I'm just not comfortable with the thought. I'm not saying you can't, I just don't like the idea. It's kinda weird. neutral
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:09 pm
It could be people think that it is weird because it is in our genes to think that way. If it wasn't weird for people to have children with their brothers and sisters it would end up being genetically bad.
I'm not sure about cousins though. I think it bothers me more when a really old person marries a younger one (more than 10 years difference).
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:26 pm
Akhiris It could be people think that it is weird because it is in our genes to think that way. If it wasn't weird for people to have children with their brothers and sisters it would end up being genetically bad. I'm not sure about cousins though. I think it bothers me more when a really old person marries a younger one (more than 10 years difference). Trust me when I say it is NOT in our genes. Cousin Couples In some cultures, the term cousin and mate are synonymous. That argues against it. Add onto it that the US is the only western culture, that to my knowledge, has laws against it. If it was 'encoded' in our genetics, like you suggest, then Europe and a lot of other countries would have that as well. Not to mention monarchies wouldn't be as 'pure' (think about it, just how do they keep 'pure' royal lines?) It's... possible that there is genetics against siblings or child/parent relationships, but I personally believe that it is more a societal standard that every child / adult is ingrained with during their childhood, excepting sociopaths and several other cases. Forbidding cousin marriage would fall into here as well. I personally agree with your 10 year difference thing, however, it is not really our place to say, but instead, those who it directly effects in some way. If I recall correctly, the standard is within two or so years age difference, maybe three for marriages.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:10 am
Sandstone Warrior Akhiris It could be people think that it is weird because it is in our genes to think that way. If it wasn't weird for people to have children with their brothers and sisters it would end up being genetically bad. I'm not sure about cousins though. I think it bothers me more when a really old person marries a younger one (more than 10 years difference). Trust me when I say it is NOT in our genes. Cousin Couples In some cultures, the term cousin and mate are synonymous. That argues against it. Add onto it that the US is the only western culture, that to my knowledge, has laws against it. If it was 'encoded' in our genetics, like you suggest, then Europe and a lot of other countries would have that as well. Not to mention monarchies wouldn't be as 'pure' (think about it, just how do they keep 'pure' royal lines?) It's... possible that there is genetics against siblings or child/parent relationships, but I personally believe that it is more a societal standard that every child / adult is ingrained with during their childhood, excepting sociopaths and several other cases. Forbidding cousin marriage would fall into here as well. I personally agree with your 10 year difference thing, however, it is not really our place to say, but instead, those who it directly effects in some way. If I recall correctly, the standard is within two or so years age difference, maybe three for marriages. I found this yesterday, actually: Westermarck EffectShim-pua marriageIt says basically if you grow up together, like brother and sister, you will not see the other as sexually attractive.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:40 am
I don't think I'd ever marry my cousin, but if other people want to, that's fine. However, if a whole line inbreeds, then you can get into some serious genetic trouble. And by closer, do you mean brothers and sisters? What would the likelyhood of a genetic disorder be then?
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:02 am
eww factor aside my greatgrandparents were cousins of some sort... first cousins even so my grandma has the same last name twice as opposed to me that has two different last names.
Inbreeding increases chances for getting the same recesive allele from both parents. Examples of genetically inherited diseases are Sickle Cell Anemia (not bad if you have the partial one like some Northern Africans since it saves them from malaria), hypoglycorrhachia, haemophilia, familial HGH disorders, cystic fibrosis. Not all are X-linked, some are autosomal so the chance of having a boy/girl does not matter.
We need genetic diversity. It's survival of the fittest in this world. Outbreeding makes us adapt to certain circumstances. The ones with the best genes survive. After my advance genetics lecture all I can say is I'm not marrying anyone or having kids until me and the guy get genetic counseling and genotyping assays done! That is also why mating with someone from another race is good. Yay diversity and screw line purity...
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:38 am
Ang Yi After my advance genetics lecture all I can say is I'm not marrying anyone or having kids until me and the guy get genetic counseling and genotyping assays done! That is also why mating with someone from another race is good. Yay diversity and screw line purity... Love rarely works like that. wink
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 3:17 pm
Love is love, there can be cousins married without kids.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:42 pm
I never said love doesn't matter. But I will still get genetic counseling before I decide to reproduce with someone. If not, there's always adoption. I want a cute little asian girl like the one I saw today at my boss' house!
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 4:15 pm
Ang Yi I never said love doesn't matter. But I will still get genetic counseling before I decide to reproduce with someone. If not, there's always adoption. I want a cute little asian girl like the one I saw today at my boss' house! Insurance is a real b*****d when it comes to things like genetic counseling and infertility. By the way, China is tightening down on who can adopt their children. China To Tighten Adoption Rules
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:34 pm
I think that it doesn't really matter if they marry it's their choice and nobody can fight against what somebody else thinks is right I guess. O_o;; I mean I'm probably wrong anyway...
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