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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:07 pm
yeah i'm a messianic jew
I follow most of the beliefs of judaism and christianity
basically:
I'm jewish but i believe that jesus is the messiah
i don't condemn people for how they believe, and i don't damn them to hell, either.
what you believe is your choice, that's why we have free will.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:14 pm
holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:16 pm
hikari_chi holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree. i dunno if that's the best idea . . . i mean they can't really support each other properly if they didn't share the same beliefs . . . there would always be that dark cloud hanging over them 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:19 pm
[angel_bunni] hikari_chi holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree. i dunno if that's the best idea . . . i mean they can't really support each other properly if they didn't share the same beliefs . . . there would always be that dark cloud hanging over them 3nodding Well, atleast they should be neutral about it. They shouldn't push their beliefs onto someone just because they feel strongly about it...because you don't know what opinions the other people have.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:22 pm
hikari_chi holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree. Aha! Brains! >w< Saying things like that is basically pushing your beliefs upon others. Sorry, but that just is not right.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:25 pm
Sky-sama hikari_chi holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree. Aha! Brains! >w< Saying things like that is basically pushing your beliefs upon others. Sorry, but that just is not right. o.O .... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:26 pm
hikari_chi Sky-sama hikari_chi holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree. Aha! Brains! >w< Saying things like that is basically pushing your beliefs upon others. Sorry, but that just is not right. o.O .... sweatdrop >< That wasn't all directed to you. It was to Red.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:28 pm
Sky-sama hikari_chi Sky-sama hikari_chi holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree. Aha! Brains! >w< Saying things like that is basically pushing your beliefs upon others. Sorry, but that just is not right. o.O .... sweatdrop >< That wasn't all directed to you. It was to Red. Ok..but it still feels weird to me..you know, talking about religion. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:30 pm
hikari_chi Sky-sama hikari_chi Sky-sama hikari_chi holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree. Aha! Brains! >w< Saying things like that is basically pushing your beliefs upon others. Sorry, but that just is not right. o.O .... sweatdrop >< That wasn't all directed to you. It was to Red. Ok..but it still feels weird to me..you know, talking about religion. sweatdrop I think, personally, that religion is more or less.. useless. It's the beliefs behind them that count. And everyone believes differently, always. -Shrug- Somethings are just best kept to one's self.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:33 pm
Sky-sama hikari_chi Sky-sama hikari_chi Sky-sama hikari_chi holyredccphysicist one of my best firends is a an aetheist(but a little bit pagan) and won't change that... I am sad, for I do not want his sould burn in hell for all eternity, for deliberately defying the Lord. crying I will find a way to persuade him to converting to Catholocism... sweatdrop Wouldn't it be better to keep stuff like this to yourself and 'tolerate' people than to push your beliefs on them? I mean, even you said he won't change so wouldn't it be best for both of you to support each other even though you don't agree. Aha! Brains! >w< Saying things like that is basically pushing your beliefs upon others. Sorry, but that just is not right. o.O .... sweatdrop >< That wasn't all directed to you. It was to Red. Ok..but it still feels weird to me..you know, talking about religion. sweatdrop I think, personally, that religion is more or less.. useless. It's the beliefs behind them that count. And everyone believes differently, always. -Shrug- Somethings are just best kept to one's self. 3nodding True that.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:39 pm
It depends what religion you believe in. For me, since I am a Christian, religion is more important than anything else in the world. If someone is not a Christian, it doesnt matter how pleasant their life on earth is because in the end it will come to nothing ( the christian view) this is why some Christians are so crazy about converting people.
So obviously, these are very conflicting perspectives.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:46 pm
I have read multiple posts here that keep telling me to not force my beliefs onto someone else. As I said, I am a devout Catholic, and the thing that comes before EVERY DAMN THING is the lord. I take the subject of religion seriously, so I suggest you do not correct my beliefs, for they are unchanging. If you want to see my have an open mind, ask me about politics, science, economy, or anything else, but in the case of religion, I am quite firm. I hold God before my life, the lives of my friends, and my thoughts. I love my firends, and hope they fare well, but I can only help them in terms of the physics, world, if they want my help, but when it comes to belief, I will tell them that I believe that they are damned, unless they are accepting Christ's forgiveness of sin. If they don't, I will persuade them to, but I do not FORCE people to do something. I do not resort to violence, do not go to mockery, nor do I damn, for I am not capable of making such Judgement upon a person, for only the Lord is capable of that (unless I myself cause them to do wrong, and they never ask for forgiveness, which I would not do.) I do not support paganism, of all religions that I do not support(although I am tolerant of them, and do not do any harm to them) I do not support it, nor will I help them acheive theyr goal of getting to a better point in that religion. As I said, i have gay/bi friends, but in my form of belief, I believe that they are a screw up of nature, where a glitch in their biological system has caused them to have desire for the same gender. I do not believe that I am ever going to be able to persuade them to stop, cause that would be futile, but in the case of religion, I know it is possible to persuade someone to convert until their last moment of consciousness. Christianity is THE TRUTH. Keep in mind that truth is different than fact, where fact is an agreement of a large group of people/community, and is nearly unanimous. TRUTH is absolute. Therefore, Even if I wish that my friend won't go to hell, If he does not ask for forgiveness, to his last momnent of consciousness, then there is nothing I can do.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:57 pm
I'm not in most ways religious person =o. If there's a god, he/she/it can come and show up to me so that I'd believe. To me all the religious books are pretty much big bunch on blabber. ^^ I'm not meaning to mock anyones religion, I just don't believe in those.
I worship Jrock guys ? D: <3 Hail Hide-sama!
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:10 pm
Ok. I tried to be nice.
Nope.
Ignorance. Ah, lovely. I take offense to your comment about homo/bisexual people. Yes, some of it is actual genetic alterations, but don't call them a mistake of nature. Who's to say that heterosexuals aren't the ones messed up? Some attraction to the same gender is just curiosity. Everyone gets curious. And then what about hermaphrodites? Huh? Are they ********, too?
And about you claiming Christianity is 'truth.' Look at how young that religion is. Look at all the bastardizations it is from all the other religions! And how hypocritical it is.
As for 'Christ's forgiveness of sin.' Flat out bullshit. In ANY religion, that's all up to 'God.' I mean, come on. Look at the ten commandments, at least. I'll give you an example: Thou shalt not kill. The problem with this is people kill other people EVERY DAY for 'their God.' And so you know: Jesus was on drugs! I'm not making it up, either. Opium. Oh yeah. The main drug of the time. It was in all healing remedies/etc of the time. Or, if you were to use his 'miracle' healing, wouldn't that be witchcraft? Oh yes, yes it is. Thus, it goes back to Paganism.
Now, back to the topic of Hell. It's actually quite nice. And Satan isn't horrid, you know. If you know anything about the Black Bible, that is. Yep, a Black Bible. It's not a Satanic Bible. Satanism isn't even a religion, anyway. It's all self-worship. But anyway, back to the topic. The Black Bible states that yes, Satan wants to 'bring Hell to Earth.' What people don't understand is the fact that Satan doesn't want to kill everyone and smite them. (That's God's job, anyway) He simply wants to create passage from this plain to 'Heaven' and 'Hell.' Free for everyone. He wants to get rid of all those pricks to are blind to only their religion. Give the guy a chance, really. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to take trips to either one? Yeah. That'd be nice. <3 But of course, Black Bibles are hard to come by. The truth is always hidden, remember that. There are only very few left in existance, due to book- burning. Of course, you could visit the Pope and see if you might be able to steal it. But that's another broken commandment.
Now I'm not saying Christianity/Catholosism is wrong, I'm just saying.. wait... You figure it out.
And thus ends my current arguement.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:54 pm
Sky-sama Ok. I tried to be nice.
Nope.
Ignorance. Ah, lovely. I take offense to your comment about homo/bisexual people. Yes, some of it is actual genetic alterations, but don't call them a mistake of nature. Who's to say that heterosexuals aren't the ones messed up? Some attraction to the same gender is just curiosity. Everyone gets curious. And then what about hermaphrodites? Huh? Are they ********, too?
And about you claiming Christianity is 'truth.' Look at how young that religion is. Look at all the bastardizations it is from all the other religions! And how hypocritical it is.
As for 'Christ's forgiveness of sin.' Flat out bullshit. In ANY religion, that's all up to 'God.' I mean, come on. Look at the ten commandments, at least. I'll give you an example: Thou shalt not kill. The problem with this is people kill other people EVERY DAY for 'their God.' And so you know: Jesus was on drugs! I'm not making it up, either. Opium. Oh yeah. The main drug of the time. It was in all healing remedies/etc of the time. Or, if you were to use his 'miracle' healing, wouldn't that be witchcraft? Oh yes, yes it is. Thus, it goes back to Paganism.
Now, back to the topic of Hell. It's actually quite nice. And Satan isn't horrid, you know. If you know anything about the Black Bible, that is. Yep, a Black Bible. It's not a Satanic Bible. Satanism isn't even a religion, anyway. It's all self-worship. But anyway, back to the topic. The Black Bible states that yes, Satan wants to 'bring Hell to Earth.' What people don't understand is the fact that Satan doesn't want to kill everyone and smite them. (That's God's job, anyway) He simply wants to create passage from this plain to 'Heaven' and 'Hell.' Free for everyone. He wants to get rid of all those pricks to are blind to only their religion. Give the guy a chance, really. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to take trips to either one? Yeah. That'd be nice. <3 But of course, Black Bibles are hard to come by. The truth is always hidden, remember that. There are only very few left in existance, due to book- burning. Of course, you could visit the Pope and see if you might be able to steal it. But that's another broken commandment.
Now I'm not saying Christianity/Catholosism is wrong, I'm just saying.. wait... You figure it out.
And thus ends my current arguement. I never said f-ups(I will refrain from using that word, for 1. it is against the rules, as a major curse word) 2. I do not like the word 3. putting that word into context of the statement makes me feel a bit queasy), and I never intended that word to come up. If you wish the worst of what I said, then the worst you can get is feak of nature. I am not an ignorant fool. I am sternly devout to my religion, and do not believe that there is any outcome. With that, I say what I say as Truth, not as fact, or "my opinion." For the comment on "curious bi/gay" thing, that itself, and I will sya it, is an ABOMINATION. And for genetics (you said hermaphrodites) some points, there is a screw up in the operation table, and the doctor refuses to allow the child know about this(many cases of that) and the person still has a gender. For other mishaps, such as unability to know what gender it is right after birth, that would be due to large ammounts of testosterone to make it seem like a male child, or lower than usual ammounts of testosterone to make it seem like a female child, but that person is still one gender, not both. I do research my scientific arguements, so that I can put up an arguement, not just religious, but scientific, so that a non-religious person can undersatnd me. It doent matter how young Christianity is... it still is the truth. Judaism came before that... Jesus is theson of God, who was sent down to fulfill God's will to form a NEW covenant, since there was disorder in the last covenant with the Jews, who were the first people of God. You should also note that not everyone who is christian believes the same way. Some christians believe that Jews are evil, and inferior to everyone else(see the subject of HITLER) and they are hipocrytes, for they do not/refuse to believe that Jesus himself is a Jew. If you wish for my side of the arguement on "bastardization of other religions" then please tell me more of what the "bastardizations" are. The people who "kill for their God" are also hypocrites, and do not aknowledge the truth that God doesn't want us to kill, and that to stop someone, there is always options, even when it doesn't seem like it (such as if a Kiddnapper says that either you kill him, or your friend is killed, there is always a way to avoid death... multiple in truth, that you only have to be smart enough to find them all. Only a person who does not have sufficient ability to think/doesn't want to think so much as to avoid death/wants to kill said kiddnapper, is a fool. Paganism, isn't about whichcraft. Do a little more research. Wichcraft is more wiccan. And yes, if a drug is used for medicinal use, it is good, but is still a drug. Any medicine is a drug. even you OTC tylenol is a drug. As for the subject of Hell, Yes it is said badness. You are forever away from the light, which is pain enough. Although it may not be all fire and brimstone as people are told to believe, since there is only a few references Jesus Gives us to fire. Most of the "fure and brimstone" Hell was a story to make more people convert, since sermons about Hell were more interesting than a perfect heven. I already know that satanism is not a religion. It is the form of self-worth, of doing whatever you please, of rebellion(from interview with a satanist) I have learned about that from actual interviews I have conducted myself, and from the Discovery Channel, and the History Channel. God is BENEVOLENT, although at times, it may not seem that way. All Good and Evil is based on God. Evil is whatever is against God's will... DON"T TALK TO ME ABOUT HIDDEN TRUTH. I know the truth is hidden, since it always comes in ways you can not expect. Also, it's like the truthg is hidden from the public for politics. The evil one, the deciever, does not always lie, because if one always lied, you would be able to know that the opposite is true, whereas, a good deciever is one who tells the truthe at some points, bet tells a lie that is soo tempting and so... near flawless, that it is hard to tell the difference. I know you are not saying it is wron, but from what I can read, it implies that it is flawed. The truth ahs been concealed, due to corrupt popes (a long time ago, it was possible to be pope by paying a LARGE sum, but it took a while for that to be realized, and was stopped. Corruptness in high ranks have damaged the Church, and the media is trying to make a big deal of a minor thing (such as molestation. it has one of the lowest % of corrupted clergymen, but the media hypes it up, and constantly bring it to attention, that it seems larger than it is...)
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