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 Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:22 am
Lazarus The Resurected rolandgarros Quite right darkregrets. Plus, lazarus, if you truly want to serve the Lord you shouldnt be going around attacking the Catholic Church, which is still part of the Body of Christ. i'm not attacking anyone. I'm mentioning flaws the chruch would rather keep covered up. i have more too, i'm just saving them. here's a question though why is it that i cannot dis the catholic church because it is still part of the body of christ and yet they can diss on other christians? Can I just say...that's messed up? confused And as for your other hateful post, not even gonna react. Just say that OBVIOUSLY I can't see why you're so negative, and OBVIOUSLY, if she wasn't Catholic, then a marriage wouldn't take place. Did you sleep through Masses? And I don't even really read your posts because they are really hateful, and just...messed up. No other way to put it. I won't really pay attention to someone who has little to no respect for others. And you say you follow Christ? o.o' 'Though shalt attack other faiths and hate them' wasn't in the Bible. But forgiving is. And so is loving. You claim to know Mary had more kids. You claim to know everything. Funny, I thought you had a strong faith in Christ...yet you're not exactly following what He wanted. You don't know what God intended. You know much secular stuff. Answer: You can't because exactly that. We are part of Christ. And -gasp- believe it or not, we don't diss on other faiths. Why would we call Protestants our brothers and sisters? Why do we pray for all faiths in the name of Christ? Because we love you. We want to be with you in heaven one day. And I have no clue what Church you really went to, because I haven't seen any of this...brainwashed hate in any of our teachings. We laugh, we pray, we thank God...we don't go out and burn people to convert them, and say we hate them. Many sects are actually the severe ones, so leave Catholics out of this. And as in our faith, we have rules that we follow. We won't break them just for a few people who want to do different things. WE DON'T 'DISS'. If that's what you experienced, then that is not the true faith and love of Roman Catholics. So stop grouping everyone together. My people were killed by Germans. Many Polish, and Europeans suffered. But I don't hate Germans for their past sins. They are wonderful people. So look at it like that. If people are so against racism, then stop attacking my faith, since it's the same. So I see no reason to hate you, nor you should hate us. I will answer questions as I go, but for one last time....CHILL, PEOPLE. CHILL. I'm not starting a hate thread here. confused An answer question thread, and promoting love and respect for all members of this group.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:31 am
eek First off, I would like you guys to calm down a bit. Realize that we are all different and believe in different faiths. No one group can say that they have it all right. Each church has their own problems. As I have stated elsewhere in the guild there is such a thing as "a stagnant church that has lost its passion for God. I've seen so many turn from Christ because of such churches, they miss out on the relationship that we should have with God. They are too bent on discipline, tradition, and rituals and don't advocate a healthy relationship with God. It reminds me too much of what happened to the Jews and why Christ had to come. There is a much better life through Christ that does not require just rituals. Jesus advocated love above all else, not strict discipline." and may I add doctrine as well? What I meant by this is that in ALL CHURCHES this can happen at some point in time. We have to remember that what happens in the church doesn't always represent the views of the denomination, just as the actions of some Christians don't represent the faith. Flaming has been thrown on each end and needs to stop. I understand how you guys feel, but insults and heated language will not get either side to try to listen to you. If you are not able to keep from flaming, please just ignore the topic. I encourage debate, but not flame wars. So please keep this in mind when responding to these issues. I appreciate your participation and respect your views, but please act civilized when debating. Try to back up what you can with some sort of support; I count the bible as a strong source. Now that we have our opinions out, lets try backing them up with some facts ok? And please, be kind to each other, believe it or not you might be enlightened.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:06 pm
Moonshadow11111 Wow I have so much to say I don't even know where to start. I do want you to know that I mean NONE of what I say here personally! I'll just say this: I am Lutheran.
I am very proud of the background of the Lutheran denomination. Luther literally defied the heart of the corruption in Europe during his time. I'm not saying that I hate the Catholics (I know several Catholics that I consider wonderful people), but I am saying that they were corrupt and he did what nobody else could even dream or dare to do. Face it Dark Regrets, the Catholic Church did some pretty horrible things: oppressing the people, taxing them unfairly for things that weren't nessessary like extravagant temples (a God's house should punish ANYBODY with starvation and poverty), and the biggest one: selling indulgances.
You probably haven't seen the movie Luther, but I think it explains very well what went on in Europe through the Catholic Church. Luther simply decided something that many people thought was sacreligious: the Catholics were not doing God's will.
By the way, would you please explain exactly what rules have we (the Protestants) broken in regards to your essay example thing? Dark Regrets Very nice, but why don't you settle on looking at the dark side of your church? And maybe realizing that your Christian faith came from the Roman Catholic faith. Stop preaching at me, this is a board for me to understand and reply to questions. And niether are you by spouting hate, mmmkay? Why don't I dig up some dirt on you, because I'm sure you haven't sinned, and niether have your people. Because believe me, I can pull things out on the Lutherans, but I won't because that would be horrible, stereo-typical, judgemental,and disrepectful. So why don't you take that into account and to the Christian thing. There isn't one of you who isn't at fault. Some Christian group this guild has become. I don't know about you, but my faith has taught me to forgive and love. We all make mistakes and sins, we're people. And hating others isn't what Christ would want. See, so many views that don't understand. I don't get other views, so I don't think it's fair for me to attack them...wouldn't I be proving I don't understand the teachings of Christ? Catholics are good people, and just becausein the past parts of faith filled people did things wrong doesn't mean we do now.
I just got a little upset when you mentioned the fact that we Protestants are breaking "rules," and I am really sorry. Maybe I should have asked a question instead of saying all that stuff. Would you please explain what you mean when you said "You didn't follow the rules of the essay." That sort of set me off. Please try to explain it to me better, because I don't really understand what you were trying to say.
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:22 am
Alright, I'm not going to bash anything. I love you all the same just as Jesus loves us all, so I'm just bluntly going to tell you where I came from and the things that have happened to me in the past.
When I was a small child, I used to be a part of the Church of Christ religion. I admit I never paid attention to any of the sermons or singing since I often brought my toys along and played during service lol. In fact, being a child, I think all I got out of it was a few Bible stories in Sunday School. But it was one day that my mom wanted to leave that church and go to another church that was currently being built. She had really good friends there and she just wanted to fellowship with them in that new church. However, when word got around that she was leaving that church for another, the pastor and elders suddenly started telling her things like, "You need to stay here or you're going to Hell if you leave this church and our religion." It was a very difficult situation and I was too young to understand, but before I knew it, I was in the new church and as I grew older, the better that new church became, the more I felt loved by everyone there, and the more I understood the scriptures and who Jesus really was.
This new church started out with the Church of Christ religion, but with each new pastor and elder as the years went by, the more it started becoming non-denominational (it was kind of half in half actually), and the ones who were of the Church of Christ background were deeply offended and started flaming us for being that way like they had no love for us whatsover and they kept insisting that thier way was the right way and the only way to get to heaven.
Well, one day when I was an early teen, while we were being driven home after an awesome church retreat, my youth minister recieved word on the phone that our church was suddenly splitting up and going separate ways. You could probably imagine how depressed we were and the tears that filled each of our eyes from not getting to see the ones we love at church anymore, but becoming filled with the holy spirit, we came up with a plan to look up scripture for ourselves and tried to prevent them from leaving with God's inspired word. We all thought surely if they see what scripture says about this, they would have a change of heart. It was during this time that the youth minister came up with the crazy idea of interupting church service the next morning so that we could all go up front and tell everyone what we learned at the youth retreat and show them the scriptures that we found on the way home. Sadly, after we each read our scriptures and poured our hearts out to them, they became furious and stubborn at what we had done, and church literally ended right at that instant for that morning. The Church of Christ believers (which was about half) then left our church and started another church, while the rest of us are now a non-denominational church filled with the love of Jesus, growing and becoming stronger, and finding more simple and effective ways of teaching God's word that anybody can easily understand along with being able to sing the newest contemporary songs (and some old ones too), while the Church of Christ believers refused to sing these current new songs and traditionally still stick with songs from around the 1700s- early 1900s. I admit they're all great songs, but as a Christian, it's hard for me to agree with thier singing method since I remember somewhere in Psalms that says, "Sing unto the Lord a new song"...
Anyways, I know my spiritual background has nothing to do with Catholics as this thread implies, but like Lithanus said, each church does have thier own problems and it's true that some can be a "stagnant church" and have difficulty seeing God clearly because of thier strict disciplines, rituals, and traditions. From my studies and personal experiences, I personally believe that God really isn't that harsh with us in demanding rituals from us and that He only wants us to have a personal relationship with Him so that we can provide for others that need it.
Jesus's 2 greatest commandments were:
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
So, Jesus requires that we all love each other, be patient with each other, and help each other out no matter our differences. As Lithanus said, "There is a much better life through Christ that does not require just rituals. Jesus advocated love above all else, not strict discipline and may I add doctrine as well?" and I completely agree with that mrgreen .
On a side note, I bet Jesus would be pretty upset if he saw all this flaming going on between His own believers...
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:37 am
Dark Regrets Lazarus The Resurected rolandgarros Quite right darkregrets. Plus, lazarus, if you truly want to serve the Lord you shouldnt be going around attacking the Catholic Church, which is still part of the Body of Christ. i'm not attacking anyone. I'm mentioning flaws the chruch would rather keep covered up. i have more too, i'm just saving them. here's a question though why is it that i cannot dis the catholic church because it is still part of the body of christ and yet they can diss on other christians? Can I just say...that's messed up? confused And as for your other hateful post, not even gonna react. Just say that OBVIOUSLY I can't see why you're so negative, and OBVIOUSLY, if she wasn't Catholic, then a marriage wouldn't take place. Did you sleep through Masses? And I don't even really read your posts because they are really hateful, and just...messed up. No other way to put it. I won't really pay attention to someone who has little to no respect for others. And you say you follow Christ? o.o' 'Though shalt attack other faiths and hate them' wasn't in the Bible. But forgiving is. And so is loving. You claim to know Mary had more kids. You claim to know everything. Funny, I thought you had a strong faith in Christ...yet you're not exactly following what He wanted. You don't know what God intended. You know much secular stuff. Answer: You can't because exactly that. We are part of Christ. And -gasp- believe it or not, we don't diss on other faiths. Why would we call Protestants our brothers and sisters? Why do we pray for all faiths in the name of Christ? Because we love you. We want to be with you in heaven one day. And I have no clue what Church you really went to, because I haven't seen any of this...brainwashed hate in any of our teachings. We laugh, we pray, we thank God...we don't go out and burn people to convert them, and say we hate them. Many sects are actually the severe ones, so leave Catholics out of this. And as in our faith, we have rules that we follow. We won't break them just for a few people who want to do different things. WE DON'T 'DISS'. If that's what you experienced, then that is not the true faith and love of Roman Catholics. So stop grouping everyone together. My people were killed by Germans. Many Polish, and Europeans suffered. But I don't hate Germans for their past sins. They are wonderful people. So look at it like that. If people are so against racism, then stop attacking my faith, since it's the same. So I see no reason to hate you, nor you should hate us. I will answer questions as I go, but for one last time....CHILL, PEOPLE. CHILL. I'm not starting a hate thread here. confused An answer question thread, and promoting love and respect for all members of this group. I know a ton of secular stuff. i learned it on my wanderings between Catholisism and ohter churches afterwards. I know Mary had more kids. check the book again and you should find it. if you need help i'll tell you exactly where it is in my next post. i don't know everything i'll be the first to admit it. i just happen to know alot on this topic. I have quite enough faith although i could always use more. and as for doing whart he wanted... I'm giving a history lesson(granted it's a slanted and biased one but a history lesson none the less) it's not my fault if you don't read my posts. yuo don't have to. i just post them. but, to post regardnign my views and yet not read them entirely is a little ignorant. as "hatefull" as they may be read through them and try to find the logic in them. OBVIOUSLY if both participants are catholic then a marriage takes plave and OTHERWISE there is no marriage? how the hell does that work? also you didn't read that well my mother is catholic my father isn't. See, other faiths have one major differance from catholisism. they don't have a central leadership. this central leadership AKA the Vatican, and more specificaly the Pope. if thsi central autority disses other religions (or says anythign for that matter) it can be directly atributed to all catholics since they alltake thier cues from Benedict. I have experianmce downright hate in just about every roman catholic church i have walked into. the only time people kept their mouths shut was when i was carrying my grandmother's casket at her funeral. Funny you should mention the Germans and WWII considering the pope would have been helping them had he been a few years older. also do you know what the church's platform was during the Holocaust? They didn't want to get involved. but that's beside the point. so i have a question then: How do you feel about the horrible actions of the catholic church over the past 1000 years or so?
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:38 am
Moonshadow11111 Moonshadow11111 Wow I have so much to say I don't even know where to start. I do want you to know that I mean NONE of what I say here personally! I'll just say this: I am Lutheran.
I am very proud of the background of the Lutheran denomination. Luther literally defied the heart of the corruption in Europe during his time. I'm not saying that I hate the Catholics (I know several Catholics that I consider wonderful people), but I am saying that they were corrupt and he did what nobody else could even dream or dare to do. Face it Dark Regrets, the Catholic Church did some pretty horrible things: oppressing the people, taxing them unfairly for things that weren't nessessary like extravagant temples (a God's house should punish ANYBODY with starvation and poverty), and the biggest one: selling indulgances.
You probably haven't seen the movie Luther, but I think it explains very well what went on in Europe through the Catholic Church. Luther simply decided something that many people thought was sacreligious: the Catholics were not doing God's will.
By the way, would you please explain exactly what rules have we (the Protestants) broken in regards to your essay example thing? Dark Regrets Very nice, but why don't you settle on looking at the dark side of your church? And maybe realizing that your Christian faith came from the Roman Catholic faith. Stop preaching at me, this is a board for me to understand and reply to questions. And niether are you by spouting hate, mmmkay? Why don't I dig up some dirt on you, because I'm sure you haven't sinned, and niether have your people. Because believe me, I can pull things out on the Lutherans, but I won't because that would be horrible, stereo-typical, judgemental,and disrepectful. So why don't you take that into account and to the Christian thing. There isn't one of you who isn't at fault. Some Christian group this guild has become. I don't know about you, but my faith has taught me to forgive and love. We all make mistakes and sins, we're people. And hating others isn't what Christ would want. See, so many views that don't understand. I don't get other views, so I don't think it's fair for me to attack them...wouldn't I be proving I don't understand the teachings of Christ? Catholics are good people, and just becausein the past parts of faith filled people did things wrong doesn't mean we do now.
I just got a little upset when you mentioned the fact that we Protestants are breaking "rules," and I am really sorry. Maybe I should have asked a question instead of saying all that stuff. Would you please explain what you mean when you said "You didn't follow the rules of the essay." That sort of set me off. Please try to explain it to me better, because I don't really understand what you were trying to say.You are forgiven. -hugs- And I didn't intend for it to seem like Protestants were bad or anything. I'll clear up the explnation. ^^ I'm just busy so I didn't have time to really put in-depth explanations of any sort. Exams do that to a person.XD I'm happy we're on good terms now. ^^ I'll work my end of the bargain and try my best to explain thingas ASAP!!
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:42 am
Lazarus The Resurected Dark Regrets Lazarus The Resurected rolandgarros Quite right darkregrets. Plus, lazarus, if you truly want to serve the Lord you shouldnt be going around attacking the Catholic Church, which is still part of the Body of Christ. i'm not attacking anyone. I'm mentioning flaws the chruch would rather keep covered up. i have more too, i'm just saving them. here's a question though why is it that i cannot dis the catholic church because it is still part of the body of christ and yet they can diss on other christians? Can I just say...that's messed up? confused And as for your other hateful post, not even gonna react. Just say that OBVIOUSLY I can't see why you're so negative, and OBVIOUSLY, if she wasn't Catholic, then a marriage wouldn't take place. Did you sleep through Masses? And I don't even really read your posts because they are really hateful, and just...messed up. No other way to put it. I won't really pay attention to someone who has little to no respect for others. And you say you follow Christ? o.o' 'Though shalt attack other faiths and hate them' wasn't in the Bible. But forgiving is. And so is loving. You claim to know Mary had more kids. You claim to know everything. Funny, I thought you had a strong faith in Christ...yet you're not exactly following what He wanted. You don't know what God intended. You know much secular stuff. Answer: You can't because exactly that. We are part of Christ. And -gasp- believe it or not, we don't diss on other faiths. Why would we call Protestants our brothers and sisters? Why do we pray for all faiths in the name of Christ? Because we love you. We want to be with you in heaven one day. And I have no clue what Church you really went to, because I haven't seen any of this...brainwashed hate in any of our teachings. We laugh, we pray, we thank God...we don't go out and burn people to convert them, and say we hate them. Many sects are actually the severe ones, so leave Catholics out of this. And as in our faith, we have rules that we follow. We won't break them just for a few people who want to do different things. WE DON'T 'DISS'. If that's what you experienced, then that is not the true faith and love of Roman Catholics. So stop grouping everyone together. My people were killed by Germans. Many Polish, and Europeans suffered. But I don't hate Germans for their past sins. They are wonderful people. So look at it like that. If people are so against racism, then stop attacking my faith, since it's the same. So I see no reason to hate you, nor you should hate us. I will answer questions as I go, but for one last time....CHILL, PEOPLE. CHILL. I'm not starting a hate thread here. confused An answer question thread, and promoting love and respect for all members of this group. I know a ton of secular stuff. i learned it on my wanderings between Catholisism and ohter churches afterwards. I know Mary had more kids. check the book again and you should find it. if you need help i'll tell you exactly where it is in my next post. i don't know everything i'll be the first to admit it. i just happen to know alot on this topic. I have quite enough faith although i could always use more. and as for doing whart he wanted... I'm giving a history lesson(granted it's a slanted and biased one but a history lesson none the less) it's not my fault if you don't read my posts. yuo don't have to. i just post them. but, to post regardnign my views and yet not read them entirely is a little ignorant. as "hatefull" as they may be read through them and try to find the logic in them. OBVIOUSLY if both participants are catholic then a marriage takes plave and OTHERWISE there is no marriage? how the hell does that work? also you didn't read that well my mother is catholic my father isn't. See, other faiths have one major differance from catholisism. they don't have a central leadership. this central leadership AKA the Vatican, and more specificaly the Pope. if thsi central autority disses other religions (or says anythign for that matter) it can be directly atributed to all catholics since they alltake thier cues from Benedict. I have experianmce downright hate in just about every roman catholic church i have walked into. the only time people kept their mouths shut was when i was carrying my grandmother's casket at her funeral. Funny you should mention the Germans and WWII considering the pope would have been helping them had he been a few years older. also do you know what the church's platform was during the Holocaust? They didn't want to get involved. but that's beside the point. so i have a question then: How do you feel about the horrible actions of the catholic church over the past 1000 years or so? The German things is beside the point. It's meant to show we don't judge. I can say the same things that people who were all sorts of Christians, and killed innocents. confused It's not down to one faith. And thank you for taking this down a notch. I really don't want to be on bad terms with you. I'll add this question to the main page, ok? I can't answer as I have final exams, but I will answer ASAP.
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:36 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Dark Regrets Lazarus The Resurected rolandgarros Quite right darkregrets. Plus, lazarus, if you truly want to serve the Lord you shouldnt be going around attacking the Catholic Church, which is still part of the Body of Christ. i'm not attacking anyone. I'm mentioning flaws the chruch would rather keep covered up. i have more too, i'm just saving them. here's a question though why is it that i cannot dis the catholic church because it is still part of the body of christ and yet they can diss on other christians? Can I just say...that's messed up? confused And as for your other hateful post, not even gonna react. Just say that OBVIOUSLY I can't see why you're so negative, and OBVIOUSLY, if she wasn't Catholic, then a marriage wouldn't take place. Did you sleep through Masses? And I don't even really read your posts because they are really hateful, and just...messed up. No other way to put it. I won't really pay attention to someone who has little to no respect for others. And you say you follow Christ? o.o' 'Though shalt attack other faiths and hate them' wasn't in the Bible. But forgiving is. And so is loving. You claim to know Mary had more kids. You claim to know everything. Funny, I thought you had a strong faith in Christ...yet you're not exactly following what He wanted. You don't know what God intended. You know much secular stuff. Answer: You can't because exactly that. We are part of Christ. And -gasp- believe it or not, we don't diss on other faiths. Why would we call Protestants our brothers and sisters? Why do we pray for all faiths in the name of Christ? Because we love you. We want to be with you in heaven one day. And I have no clue what Church you really went to, because I haven't seen any of this...brainwashed hate in any of our teachings. We laugh, we pray, we thank God...we don't go out and burn people to convert them, and say we hate them. Many sects are actually the severe ones, so leave Catholics out of this. And as in our faith, we have rules that we follow. We won't break them just for a few people who want to do different things. WE DON'T 'DISS'. If that's what you experienced, then that is not the true faith and love of Roman Catholics. So stop grouping everyone together. My people were killed by Germans. Many Polish, and Europeans suffered. But I don't hate Germans for their past sins. They are wonderful people. So look at it like that. If people are so against racism, then stop attacking my faith, since it's the same. So I see no reason to hate you, nor you should hate us. I will answer questions as I go, but for one last time....CHILL, PEOPLE. CHILL. I'm not starting a hate thread here. confused An answer question thread, and promoting love and respect for all members of this group. I know a ton of secular stuff. i learned it on my wanderings between Catholisism and ohter churches afterwards. I know Mary had more kids. check the book again and you should find it. if you need help i'll tell you exactly where it is in my next post. i don't know everything i'll be the first to admit it. i just happen to know alot on this topic. I have quite enough faith although i could always use more. and as for doing whart he wanted... I'm giving a history lesson(granted it's a slanted and biased one but a history lesson none the less) it's not my fault if you don't read my posts. yuo don't have to. i just post them. but, to post regardnign my views and yet not read them entirely is a little ignorant. as "hatefull" as they may be read through them and try to find the logic in them. OBVIOUSLY if both participants are catholic then a marriage takes plave and OTHERWISE there is no marriage? how the hell does that work? also you didn't read that well my mother is catholic my father isn't. See, other faiths have one major differance from catholisism. they don't have a central leadership. this central leadership AKA the Vatican, and more specificaly the Pope. if thsi central autority disses other religions (or says anythign for that matter) it can be directly atributed to all catholics since they alltake thier cues from Benedict. I have experianmce downright hate in just about every roman catholic church i have walked into. the only time people kept their mouths shut was when i was carrying my grandmother's casket at her funeral. Funny you should mention the Germans and WWII considering the pope would have been helping them had he been a few years older. also do you know what the church's platform was during the Holocaust? They didn't want to get involved. but that's beside the point. so i have a question then: How do you feel about the horrible actions of the catholic church over the past 1000 years or so? i have a counter-question to this.... how do you feel about the recent rule of Pope John Paul II?
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:48 pm
since my last post was so long i'm answering both quotes with this one post.
I can wait on an answer to my question. i dont' want to be on bad terms with you guy's either.
as to how i feel about JPII, I liked him. he was probably the only pope that ever admitted the catholic church had made mistakes( although this was later attributed to senility. and he doidn't elabotrate on what the mistakes were. it was atleast a start) Benedict then recanted that statement. but no i definitely liked Johnny P.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:15 pm
Lazarus The Resurected since my last post was so long i'm answering both quotes with this one post. I can wait on an answer to my question. i dont' want to be on bad terms with you guy's either. as to how i feel about JPII, I liked him. he was probably the only pope that ever admitted the catholic church had made mistakes( although this was later attributed to senility. and he doidn't elabotrate on what the mistakes were. it was atleast a start) Benedict then recanted that statement. but no i definitely liked Johnny P. Thank you. And thanks to all answers, and questions from users.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:34 pm
I don't understand why you feel the need to call yourself "Catholic" in the first place. If we are indeed related by the blood of Christ, then why don't you say what you are, a Christian, a follower of Christ?
I attend both a Baptist and a [forgot] church, but I don't label myself a "Baptist" or whatever. That's not even a religion.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I actually want an answer. In fact, I'm addressing this towards anyone that chooses a meaningless label over one that aknowleges Christ.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:37 pm
Forgive me if these questions have already been asked, but I want to know your understanding of Roman Catholicism.
Do you pray to angels or Mary?
Do you believe water baptism is essential to salvation?
Do you believe the pope is infallible?
Do you beleive that water can be holy?
*How important would you say "works" are for salvation?
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:50 pm
all good questions brad. to the best of my understanding the answers to those questions are as follows.
1-Yes.
2-Yes.
3-Yes.
4-Yes.
5- Verry.
please nopt two things, firstly i am not a practicing catholic and thus not answering from my own beleifs but rather from what i can recal of the teachings of the Catholic Church. The second is that although these are what i understand of the teachings it does not nessecarily reflect the views of all Catholics.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:14 am
brad175 I don't understand why you feel the need to call yourself "Catholic" in the first place. If we are indeed related by the blood of Christ, then why don't you say what you are, a Christian, a follower of Christ? I attend both a Baptist and a [forgot] church, but I don't label myself a "Baptist" or whatever. That's not even a religion. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I actually want an answer. In fact, I'm addressing this towards anyone that chooses a meaningless label over one that aknowleges Christ. Being catholic is a way of life and prayer. And the ways the Church is set up- so it's very different. The same can be said of various Christian groups. That's the way it is. And I'll add your questions to the main page, ok?
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:26 pm
About labels, you perhaps do not realize that in the beginning, there was one Church, and that it did not need a label, as it was just the Church. The reason your so-called "labels" were creates is because various sects split off from the Church. If these splits had not happened, there would be no labels. Note that I'm not saying that every other Church is bad because they split off and created labels; in fact, that argument would be pointless.
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