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Different people have different ideas of what denotes craft. I
n my experiance many will count that as being folk wisdom. Very few fam trads are what some of the fluffy books make them out to be. SO what denotes fam trad in the sense of folk wisdom etc? Well;
Some are families of seer's
Some are families of healers
Some are keepers of lore
Some are makers of philters
Some are weavers at the loom
Some are followers of tradition
Some are watchers of death
Some are bringers of birth
Some are herder's of cattle
Some are turners of the wheel
Some are turners of the sod
Some are collecters of silver
Some are finders of blue glass

None that I have ever come across are more than three or four of the things I listed above. And none that I have ever come across are anything close to what would be called Wicca, either in the context of BTW or of more modern ecclectic.
Many people in Ireland are from families who are, or once were, one of the above, directley or inderectly. Question is when in any given family such traditions were phased out and to what extent.
Similar could be said in certain other parts of Europe. For example, while travelling in genovese provence, I was walking through a tiny village, the church bells rang, from doorways along the street women came and gathered under a tree on the path that leads to the woods. There they brought their cook books and discussed what they would cook for dinner for their families, what ingredients they had and which they needed. Sharing recipies and ingredients for the individual family and wider village benifit. The oldest of the women advised on 'additions' for each household.
This to me is living family tradition.
To my mind, unless they happen to have studies Wicca along the way (such as the Sybil Leek) they do not cast circles and call upon the guardians and elements and Goddess and God.
New family traditions are being created all the time as 1st and 2nd generation pagans and witches are raising their children within their world view and passing on knowledge and lore of things that aren't taught in schools.

Actual Wicca isn't a fluffy magnet what is portayed as is.
It is a very hard spiritual path and one I would not wish upon anyone.

As for what eactly BTW stand for and if Witchcraft and Wicca is inter changible
there are Witches who are Traditionalists who are British and so things can get confusing. There are also Wiccan traditions in the usa that have hived off so
British Traditional Wicca is a prefered label.

As for people taking it seriously well they have to meet witches how are seriousl about thier craft and go from there.

If I keep meeting 14 year old budhist who don't have a clue well I but that down to thier issues and not budhism.

Maybe they are ment to dismiss it , maybe it is not ment for them.

May I ask if your family has the tradition of the blue bottle ?
I certainly understand if you decline to answer.

Now now a douchebag has a purpose and can be useful.

I don't know about that. Penn and Teller referred to John Edwards as the "Biggest Douchebag in the Universe" and that's pretty much my opinion of him--and I can't possibly think of anyone else who is more worthless than John Edwards.

Nice has soo many meanings.



I really dislike that words are losing their myraid of means it vertainly makes it harder to get away with as many in ur endos as they become dumbed down.

Ok, reading the replies here, mainly regarding Artisson... what is it that people are finding that makes him seem "insane"?

Just in case anyone here doesn't know, there is a bit of background to Artisson's presence on the net. A man (whom I think was studying under Artisson, I forget his name) began to turn on him and not only take over Artisson's website to make it a forum for hate mongering, but spread a lot of vicious and unfounded rumours about him on forums and websites, including claims of plagarism, adultary and criminal activity (none of which have ever been varified). There's even an Encyclopedia Dramatica page about Artisson spouting all sorts of rubbish as a result.

It's all a bunch of personal issues between Artisson and the other man, and I don't see why that should tarnish the great work he's done on Witchcraft. Neither should any of the personal opinions he holds.
After all, Gardner has often been labeled a sex-crazed nudist, but that doesn't make his work any less reputable on the subject of Wicca.

I have read Artisson's main work on Trad Craft, as well as being a member of his mail group (speaking to him personally a few times myself), and despite what a lot of people say, the man has very coherant, and deep concepts... not to mention workable. Where are people in this thread drawing their opinions? Unless there's something I'm not yet aware of, in which case I'd like to see what it is.

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Re: Deo on Fate/Wyrd

Forgive the misunderstanding, I wrote that part when I was still partly unfamiliar with the concepts, and it was only a brief mention made in passing, without further explaination or attention. I'll edit it asap. I know the two are not interchangable, and I didn't mean to write it that way, so I'll word it differently when I re-write it. ^^;