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First off, I haven't personally witnessed any attacks, but I have heard about them.

I have, however, witnessed constant "intrusions" of a sort into RPs that are meant to be private or personal. Neith, I think, just doens't understand that Kia can't be a part of everythign all the time, adn sometimes planned RPs fall through. yeah, be grumpy, but please don't throw tantrums (which she has) or bulldoze over people for "ruining your plans" (which she also has done). She just.. butts in. Which can be, frankly, annoying as hell.

The teen pregnancy thing is also.. just.. really annoying to me. Kia isn't that stupid, they had birth control methods in ancient Egypt. Neith complains that peopel see Kia as stupid because she doesn't speak clear English. Well, she grew up in an English speakign environment - that should negate that. And I have a feeling the reason peopel see Kia as airheaded sometimes is.. because.. well... sometimes she acts that way.

It also smacks of attention whoring, as someone else pointed out. Silver and Sati are due to be married and Shina's now pregnant... and.. poof, Kia turns up with a bun. The timing is just.. way off. And it's not the first time Kia's suddenly appeared with this "plot twist" type ploy with suspicious timing.

The wings.. the wings are also a tad touchy with me.. but that's another story.

I also agree with the commetn that Kia is just this.. giant mash of characters and past lives. I think that's just.. ridiculous. It's easy enough to god mode with one mythological character, and here we have a handful that's just begging to be the "solution" to every problem that comes along. The essense that IS Kia gets lost in this undefinable mass.

That being said, I don't think Kia can just be reassigned to a new Guardian, should people want to take her away (which I'm against). Kia is a very personal part of Neith, almost like a limb, like all our Fa'e are to us, especially now that many of htem are past the mutable baby and toddler stage.. and it would crush her to have someone take over.

I can't think of a very nice solution to this. Unless Neith can buckle down and ask before she enters a RP, bite her tongue when she needs to, etc, things are going to continue to be ugly. And once again, someone's already mentioned that the past warning only lasted about a week before the thigns that caused peopel to be irritated started reappearing.

I've tried talking to her when she's in this mode, and it's really hard. She takes offense if you ask her to back out of a RP, leading to even more tension and arguing (and I have had my fill of arguing lately).

In any case, this is an ugly situation. I consider Neith a friend, but so difficult to speak with objectively. I don't know if it's her moods or her age or something else.

But I do think just removing her entirely isn't going to solve the problem.

I know for a fact there are several fa'e couples that intend on having a baby through the GMFC one day. Either because they want to raise of a child of their own, or they are pursuing lives as ancients.

Are we all going to be this insupportive of each other?

Anya didn't put the limit on the fa'e children because she didn't want the fa'e to not be able to have a child to love. It was because Anya knew that if she let fa'e owners keep their babies, most of us would keep the baby. And then no more fa'e would be available to the, what, HUNDREDS of people who want one? She doesn't have the capabilities to draw babies for every couple AND still draw new fa'e for the "second generation" of owners.

Neith isn't screaming "SCREW THE RULES" to anyone because she is not breaking any by getting a GMFC child.

I will admit, straight off, that I have been very much on the periphery of a lot of this and not one who has been personally affected by the Neith situation very much. She has AIM'd me a few times asking input, or if something seemed unfair to me - and, to be quite honest, I felt bad many times because I can't be abreast on all the issues with all the fa'e, though she seemed to expect me to know about as much about Kia as she does. She has a VERY involved backstory that from what I know (which could be incorrect!) about Kia, she has a lot to do with a storyline that she created for an original novel a long time ago - thus the complexities with her character and the setness she has with having children. I admit I don't know a lot about it. I also do think that much of it might have been modified to try to compensate for what she perceives as people not liking her or not paying attention to her. However, as evidenced above, when someone feels neglect and tries to compensate for it - it generally makes things worse.
But what can you do? It's a vicious cycle. People are hesitant to deal with her because they perceive her as whiny. She tries to contact people - perhaps originally, because she's left in the middle of an RP and her story can't develop. So she asks people when they can play. They brush her off - perhaps genuinely for one reason or another... and so she asks again later.. etc. Insecurities build up when she gets this from multiple people and so she tries to do things that gain attention, or bug people to see if they know what's going on with Kia.
Yes, this is all observation, and not really conducive to helping out, but might get some of the core issues out - though they have been suggested by others.

I agree very much with this post two above mine as well regarding the GMFC, albeit admittedly the GMFC/baby issue isn't the primary issue that this council was formed, it does bring an aspect that seems to be on peoples' minds.

The clarification of the standpoint of the GMFC was useful, and I agree with the above in that the OOC reason behind not being able to keep children is because there are quite simply SO many people out there who would gnaw off their arms to have a fa'e and someone having two really isn't fair. However, the mythos explanation fits in VERY well with the concept behind the fa'e and I like it.

BUT, as far as the Fa'e Mythos goes - one thing that I feel contrasts very much with that - moreso than a GMFC baby - is the Through the Looking Glass baby that Kia already has. If a GMFC baby is just a genetic baby that the fa'e does not actually contribute their soul/magic to, by the description of the through the looking glass, it takes the "parent's" soul/magic to create a child through them. In that case, wouldn't that be the same as having a child through Fa'e? Wouldn't having a child through the looking glass make a fa'e mortal?

I think it's a VERY important thing to stick with the established mythos of the Fa'e. WE need a cohesion among all these diverse stories to get a form of linkage and community. TO differentiate what makes a fa'e from a Legend of the Tale for example- other than just "drawn by Anya".

There is very little as there is: They are reincarnations of souls who, throuhg Airi's sacrifice and magic, has been given a second chance at life. That life, however, is very brief running its own course and they are not fully alive by themselves because of how difficult it was to bring them back, and so they must be bonded to a Guardian to maintain existence. Once they mature - they decide to either become fully independant Ancients to reclaim their glory, or to become Mortal.

EDIT - admittedly, what I want to know is if two fa'e have a child - are they a combination of the parents: a new life, or do they bring forth a new soul to reincarnate another Fa'e (and perhaps a fa'e questor's concept).

I wanted to quote Kamiki's post again, so that perhaps we can put the GMFC issue to BED and get back to the topic at hand. Anya has already agreed to the GMFC thing, and Kamiki has also said that it is PERFECTLY within the rules.

It is not petty of Neith to be persuing this avenue, and it's going to wind up costing her a hell of a lot more than most people realise if she actually gets it.

She was told the original plotline (Which was done to keep consistent with Konaru's plans, I may add, NOT Neith's) was undoable, so she went to the only other source available to her. The GMFC.

This is a dead horse, people, and the GMFC baby is NOT the issue here.

I think that this should be noted (though it already is in the first post):

This has nothing to do with the GMFC quest she is running. It has been stated by Anya! that this is a legitimate way for the Fa'e to have a child, and to keep the child.

This forum was created so that people can, once and for all, get things off of their chests about how Neith acts, and how she treats other people. It was created for suggestions on the best course of action when bahavior like this arises an anyone. This has to do with her personal attacks on fellow Guardians, on her badgering over AIM, on her persistant badgering of Anya!.

The GMFC clinic is a moot issue. Power to her. I know other Gaurdians are considering this route. As stated: this is not about her GMFC quest. If you have an opinion on that, by all means, express it. But, she can quest for the appointment all that she wants, the GMs are not slighting her for that.

Also, it has been said, if you do not like this, do not participate. Other means have been exhausted. People have spoken with her - bluntly, and in a nice way - and this is pretty much the rope's end. Neith IS allowed to defend herself. It doesn't have to be at the end of this, she can come in here right now and give her P.O.V.

All I'm going to say on the subject is this:

Some of the replies I have seen here today are far more abusive, rude and childish than I have EVER seen Neith act. Instead of jumping up and saying that she should have her Fa'e taken away, I want you to ask yourself this:

How would YOU feel if the Fa'e you had raised since birth was suddenly taken away?

What I am seeing here is the EXACT behaviour you all are condemning in her, yet you seem to have no problem exhibiting it yourself.

I am being as unbiased in this as I can, and have spent the last months working WITH Neith in an attempt to try and curb this behaviour. At least she knows there's a problem with it, which is a far cry better than about six months ago, when I personally blocked her off of AIM due to a blowup we had.

I gave her another chance, despite the fact that she had royally pissed me off, and I'm happy to say that once she and I got it squared away that she'd acted like a twit to me, we've been on relatively good terms since.

Has anyone ever actually TOLD her that you have a problem with her? Has anyone just come up to her and SAID "Look, you're overreacting, your hysterical, you're coming REAL close to getting a bootprint in the a**, go cool off and we'll talk about this rationally."? Or has it all been just sniping behind her back and running to Anya or one of the other GM's when things get hairy?

Every single thing I've said here, I've said to Neith personally, over AIM or over PM's. How many of you can say the same?

I have been among the Fa'e since damn near the beginning, between lurking and everything else. This is the first time I have ever been appalled by anything I've seen. Neith is not the only one to pitch a fit when ignored. She's also not the only one to see an idea and take off with it on her own. HOW MANY Fa'e suddenly turned rebellious and nasty after Aadil showed up??

This is not the answer. Leaving an open, anonymous forum where people can hide behind a false name and bash someone is NOT a way to solve anything. At ALL.

If her Fa'e gets taken away over this, or because people decided to react to improper behaviour with MORE improper behaviour, I will have lost every bit of respect I had for this shop AND its owners.

I agree with the poster above me. Everything that I will say here, I have told her over AIM.

I also agree that taking her Fa'e away is a last resort, a last resort for anyone.

I have been around Neith, closely, from the beginning. I have blocked her repeatedly, and I unblock her when I, myself, have cooled down enough to talk with her rationally.

At this point, I really don't think that Kia should/will be taken away from her. But, if she repeats history, where she gets better for a week or two, and then goes back to what was making the Fa'e Game so un-enjoyable in the first place, we all need to face the fact that that might become a very real option.

I will admit, some of the other opinions have been very harsh, but they might have been done in the heat of the moment, and those Guardians might come back and edit - who knows?

Back to the matter at hand. I have told Neith when she is getting annoying, to me personally. I have been in situations when I tell her to stop talking about a subject - for fear that I might say something to her that I will regret - that she has not done so. I have had friends - lurkers and Gaurdians alike - who have been in this situation, where she does not drop a subject.

I've seen her make people cry because of some of the attacks she has done over AIM. I have seen her hurt people deeply because of the attacks. And I have seen her open old wounds, PERSONAL wounds, because she does not drop a personal matter when she was asked to. She has done other things very wrong, that I cannot address here because they are in confidence.

And, I hate to say it, but I am weary. I am just all-over-tired. Like another Guardian said: Neith can be nice. But, if you deal with this for months, and months, you get tired. You get migrains, you get to where you don't want to be in the same thread as the person.

I do think that some people might have abused the anonymous aspect of this. I will not point out posts. This is meant to be a forum where things can be said in a rational manner. Troubles you have had with a certain Guardian can be said in a rational manner. Perhaps some of us should have waited until our blood was not boiling?

I agree with another poster: There should be an AIM ban, and even an RP ban instituted. Not only for Neith, but if this problem should arise again - with anyone. I do acknowledge that Neith is not the only one to do this either, but she is one of the only Guardians to do this repeatedly.

I can agree with the punishment list, and possible RP banning. (I'm the one from that rant up there).

I just think it's sickening to see people screaming about taking her Fa'e away when this is the FIRST TIME an open discussion/feedback/etc has been done.