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its not logic that told me to say that...it was God. Heres the thing, I believe that the Lord almighty has talked to me,

God made me to be attracted to men, hense it was God's Plan for me.

I believe you when you say you heard God speak to you. Seriously, I do. If you heard God say you were supposed to be with a man, then I honestly can't quibble over that. But if all God said was that He had a plan for you that involves your sexuality in some way, without any details as to what it is, that could mean a whole gamut of things.

If God has told you that you are to be with a man, then I will have to re-evaluate my understanding of the scripture since God doesn't contradict Himself. You cannot safely say that God gave you this orientation, therefore you were meant to act on it. I'm straight, but at the moment I don't think God means for me to be with anyone. I can't say that just because I'm straight and female, God has planned for me to marry a man. If God told me that marriage is part of the plan, then I can safely say that I am to marry a man. This is why I said I wondered about your logic.

How about we follow some logic here:
We know who God is because of what the Bible says…
The Bible, though inspired by God, was written by men…
Because it was written by men, God can contradict the Bible…
If what we know of God is from the Bible, but God can contradict the Bible, what do we really know about God? NOTHING.

Amen, Well written!

So the way I understand things here, since God looked at Adam and Eve and said they were good, and he put it in them to want to eat from the tree, and they did just that, then God told them they sinned and punished them, God was wrong because he made them that way?

And when Cain killed Abel, and God made Cain the way he was, and then punished him for killing Abel, God was wrong because he made Cain that way?

And what about Sodom and Gamorah (sp?) He made all those people too. And that isn't just information from the Bible, that is found in secular history books.

44 " 'Everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you: "Like mother, like daughter." 45 You are a true daughter of your mother, who despised her husband and her children; and you are a true sister of your sisters, who despised their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. 46 Your older sister was Samaria, who lived to the north of you with her daughters; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you with her daughters, was Sodom. 47 You not only walked in their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they. 48 As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.

49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. 51 Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. 52 Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

53 " 'However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them, 54 so that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all you have done in giving them comfort. 55 And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before. 56 You would not even mention your sister Sodom in the day of your pride, 57 before your wickedness was uncovered. Even so, you are now scorned by the daughters of Edom [a] and all her neighbors and the daughters of the Philistines—all those around you who despise you. 58 You will bear the consequences of your lewdness and your detestable practices, declares the LORD.

Why did Jesus tell the lame to walk, heal the blind, etc, weren't they all created by God to be that way?

Oh, and, what do we do with the fact that God spoke, in an audible voice, to people like Moses? Moses was basically God's secretary in the old testament, God dictated the scriptures to Moses that speak about lieing with a man as with a woman. And Jesus himself spoke all the words I quoted way back there, I didn't use just words that were 'inspired.'

Three people can speak to you, God, Satan, and yourself. The only way to know the difference is that God never contradicts himself. Go back to the original sin, Satan spoke to Eve, and said go ahead, it's ok, and he hasn't changed how he plays the game today. The Word of God is our sword of truth, anything that goes against what it says, is from Satan or yourself - not God.

Yes, and I believe that acting on selfishness is a sin. However, that's something I've always struggled with and something I have a hard time changing. As I am nearer to God, I am less inclined to be selfish, but I am a selfish person through and through.

Now, why do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? I know the scriptures don't really condone acting on homosexuality, but is being gay a sin, or is it acting on those desires?

THIS IS MY OPINION, im in training i guess you can call it, and if you wish it to be pursued pm me and i will do the research to get the biblical texts. BUT, when you get baptized it is a symbol to the world that you have chosen to follow Jesus Christ and to pick up your cross and follow him in to eternity. This means that though what you say is only words, your actions show what your heart is feeling. Now this is not to say that actions or works will save you NO. The works are a reaction to what has happened inside you. The works and actions are the proof to others of who you are following. And the works speak louder than any words, becouse from the over flow of the heart the mouth speaks. and i believe with that, that the body follows. (in short, if you take the word to the roots, and you follow Jesus whole heartly the intention to even think to do anything against the laws or rules or guidelines will seem "unright")

You again? I thought Ananel had dispatched you. Anywho.

The people Romans refers to gave up the "natural way". In Roman times, homosexual relations were perfectly natural. In addition, the natural way could very easily mean the sexual orientation people were born with. Since heterosexuals were by far the majority, as always, Paul would of course have used heterosexuals in his example.

They gave up God. That's the cause of their punishments. I really don't see what the problem is here.

See above. In addition, why is shameless automatically taken to mean sex in general? Is all heterosexual sex shameless?

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

The flesh is destroyed anyways. I'm not sure where you're getting this from, scripture-wise.

Correct. I'm adding historical context to the text, in order to more accurately show it's original meaning. You, on the other hand, are adding a meaning it never had.

You, on the other hand, are adding a meaning it never had.