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Sun Charm
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:04 pm


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:53 pm


too bad! I liked Pluto!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:16 pm


sun_charm
Well I thought it was cool because we made world history!!!!


Explain..?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:16 pm


Shugo Twilight Boy
sun_charm
Well I thought it was cool because we made world history!!!!


Explain..?



yeah I'd like to know how you think so as well.
3nodding

Emily`s_Gone_Mad


VoijaRisa

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:04 pm


Reposting my quote I do every time people start complaining about Pluto:

VoijaRisa
First off, Pluto was discovered back in the 1920's by Clyde Tombaugh an American amateur astronomer (who went on later to get a degree at the University of Kansas). Part of the reason it was immediately billed as a planet was because of the nationalistic pride of Americans. It was the first new object of this size ever discovered by an American.

However, by the late 1990's astronomers were discovering some new objects out past Pluto that were nearly as large. Until this point, there had never been enough intermediate objects between "planets" and "asteroids" to ever worry about the definition. But with the discovery of these new objects (Senda, Quaoar, Xena...), it became clear to astronomers that we needed to actually decide what the exact definition of a planet should be.

The decision of definitions of things in astronomy is determined by an internation group of astronomers named the International Astronomers Union (IAU). Early this year, they decided that, under the new definition of planet, Pluto shouldn't make the cut.

The reasons: It was too small and has much more in common with a class of non-planetary objects known as Kupier Belt Objects (KBOs). It also did not have a nearly circular orbit like all other planets do. Additionally, it's orbital inclination is very noticably out of the plane of the solar system.

Thus, it was decided that Pluto should not be allowed to retain the title of planet and needed to be reclassified. Many people are upset by this but fail to realize that this isn't the first time that this has happened. the largest asteroid in the solar system (Ceres) was originally classified as a planet when it was discovered. However, astronomers began to discover the presence of many more smaller objects in the same vicinity and realized that Ceres was just a large member of what we now call the asteroid field.

Similarly, when Pluto was first discovered, it was unique. But now we realize that Pluto isn't special. It's just one among a much larger collection of objects from the Kupier Belt. As such, it has been relabeled appropriately.

This of course, begs the question, to many, of why we should care what the label is. No matter what we call it, Pluto is still Pluto, so why not just let it retain the title for historical purposes? After all, there's a great deal in science (astronomy especially) that's funny because of historical purposes. For example, the system of measuring brightnesses of stars (known as magnitudes) runs backwards with brighter stars being negative.

But ultimately, labels are extremely important. The reason for this is that classification systems allow us to find common traits and understand systems of objects.

One example of this is the development of our entire understanding of stellar properties during the early 1900's. Originally, we classified stars based on their spectrum. But we had no idea how it progressed. As such, stars were placed in classifications rather randomly and no further progress was made. Since we had stars in classification systems with no meaning, we couldn't figure out the common trends.

But by the 1930's, a female astronomer named Annie Jump Cannon devised a new classification system and it was quickly realized based on this that the spectral classifications she derived would allow us to understand the progression of effects that temperatures has on stars.

Thus, with a proper classification system, we can learn things. Without, we stumble in the dark. This reveals the importance of classifying Pluto properly and getting over the historical impetuous to allow it to retain the title. Astronomers need accurate classifications. The layperson does not.

So as an astronomer, I ask those of you who are not, to get over your nostaligic view of things.


sun_charm
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That's not pluto. This is the best image we have of Pluto at this time.

That image is one of either Saturn's or Jupiter's moons, but I can't recall which one off hand.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:25 pm


And nothing less coud be expected from an astronomer!
Well said.

Emily`s_Gone_Mad


Sun Charm
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:29 pm


Emily`s_Gone_Mad
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sun_charm
Well I thought it was cool because we made world history!!!!


Explain..?



yeah I'd like to know how you think so as well.
3nodding

Well I just like to live during world history events. It makes me feel special 3nodding Kind of like the 2000th year and stuff like that.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:55 pm


One of the big reasons they opted to change Pluto from a Full planet into a "dwarf planet" is that there is some speculation that there may be many more similiar object orbiting distantly meaning that if we judged them all by the same set of criteria we might have 30 or more planets in the solar system. Some asteroids are almost as big as pluto and have other asteroids orbiting them. It is possible they will eventually be upgraded to dwarf planets as well.

From Wikipedia Kuiper belt

Main article: Kuiper belt

Artist's conception of the Kuiper belt, with Pluto's orbit (yellow) contrasted with Neptune's (white)
Artist's conception of the Kuiper belt, with Pluto's orbit (yellow) contrasted with Neptune's (white)

Pluto's origin and identity have long puzzled astronomers. In the 1950s it was suggested that Pluto was an escaped moon of Neptune, knocked out of orbit by its largest current moon, Triton. This notion has been heavily criticised since, as explained above, Pluto never actually comes near the planet in its orbit.[62]

Beginning in 1992, astronomers began to discover a large population of small icy objects beyond Neptune that were similar to Pluto not only in orbit but also in size and composition. This belt, known as the Kuiper belt after one of the astronomers who first hypothesised its existence, is believed to be the source for all short-period comets. Astronomers now believe Pluto to be the largest of the Kuiper belt objects. Pluto, like other Kuiper Belt objects, shares features in common with comets; the solar wind is gradually blowing Pluto's surface into space, in the manner of a comet.[63] If Pluto were placed near the Sun, it would develop a tail, like comets do.[64]

There is a link of the wikipedia page for pluto with more information of the origins and reasons behind the pluto debate.

Believe what you want but become informed first.

Jad-Hoven


Sun Charm
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:49 pm


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That's not pluto. This is the best image we have of Pluto at this time.

That image is one of either Saturn's or Jupiter's moons, but I can't recall which one off hand.



Thats odd when the web page said it was....Oh well you can never tell truth from lie on the internet anymore! blaugh
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:50 pm


I've said this on another message board, but here I go once again:

Pluto is, and will always be a planet, no matter what everyone says.

BTW, I'd look for the original posting, but it must've disappered. sad

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kitten22481
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:07 pm


dang it now my method of remembering the planets orders is off....
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:02 pm


kitten22481
dang it now my method of remembering the planets orders is off....
There's new mnemonic devices already.

My new favourite is: My Very Exotic Mistress Just Showed Up Nude.

Good thing I teach a college level course.

whee

VoijaRisa


kitten22481
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:35 am


rofl You wild and crazy astronomers xd
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:42 pm


Pluto was my favorite planet next to Neptune. Pluto was the baby of them all.

I always thought it was kind of weird that when you looked at a chart of the areas of eache planet, Pluto's was almost non-existant to some, like Jupiter and whatnot, and I always thought it was just an asteroid or something. Too bad though...I miss him already! gonk

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Emily`s_Gone_Mad

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:25 pm


lol
It was my favorite too.
It was different and that's what made it special.
whee

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