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Not true. If one cannot get along with one's own group at all this would be true, but since the slight was at one very specific member of "our group", who is not known for being very nice to people within "our group" I see no reason why the rest of us can't get along.

Except, of course, that now everyone in "our group" is all riled up because one person feels offended that a few people made a joke at their expense somewhere else. And, while no one enjoys finding out that others are making fun of them, I really don't see why this is such a big deal.

The one person who actually did poke fun at anyone is not a member of this guild anymore. The two people, including myself, that are (at the moment) members of this Guild, merely stated that we find that person "hateful" and "angry". Neither of which is a slight to anyone's character, but merely statements of observation.

So - the rule is, only Mipsy is allowed to be mean to fellow Pro-Choicers? I wish that had been made more clear.


I do? Can you give me any proof that I have ever "dissed" anyone here, in the PLG, or anywhere else, Pro-Choice or even Pro-Life, other than stating that you have anger issues? I'm calling "source". *wink*

Because that would be news to me.

The rule is, you do NOT act like a p***y and personally attack any member of the Pro-Choice Guild in the Pro-Life guild. If Veled goes ahead with her idea, then you would not be able to be a member of both guilds.

If this happened to anyone else, I would feel the same way. Not to mention the fact that any and all personal attacks made against me where I can't defend myself, are reported.

Again, the people who have said I was 'mean' towards them, are mad at the fact that I didn't agree with what they said. They feel I have to agree with everything they say, simply because I'm pro-choice. They feel the need to make threads about all choicers 'getting along', and basically that we should all smile and nod. ********. That. s**t. Get over it. Being pro-choice is not a 'get out of being refuted' card.

Like hell I'm going to wade through the filth and find those quotes. Fact is, I know for damn sure I'm not the only one who's seen them. You feel the need to bad mouth things that are said here, things that *might* be going on or said amoung people in a different guild, and have said several times that you feel ashamed of the PCG. If you feel this way, leave. I'm surprised you hadn't done it sooner.

So saying that I believe that abortion should be restricted to the times before which an unborn human cannot be saved with medical technology makes me less Pro-Choice? Even though I believe that women should be allowed to remove an unwanted human from their body at any point?

I'm sorry, I was not aware that I wasn't allowed to have an opinion that differed from the main Pro-Choice opinion(s). I didn't know that I was supposed to be "converting" people for this Guild or something.

Really, oh Great and Powerful Rulers of the Pro-Choice Gaians' Guild, if you feel that by joining the PL/PC SubForum of the PLG I no longer can be either Pro-Choice or a member of this Guild, then ban me. I will continue to read the posts in here, as I have been doing, and will only reply slightly less (which is to say, not at all) rather than the very seldom occasions on which I do reply in here.

I would not want to stay and make people uncomfortable by holding different opinions. Since it seems that I might, please do not feel pressured to keep me here. My membership is in your hands, oh Great Rulers.

Look, I'm rephrasing my whole post. ( if you haven't already read the old this post anywhoo)

Look, everything you've done is my problem. Everything. Not one statement, and you know, if it was, I'd have been bitching when you said it. Months ago. Me, personally, I didn't like what you said because you automatically assumed the worst from Canada because of no legal restrictions. Two words, social stigma. You act as if you took nothing like that into consideration. You immediatly said you hoped it got restrictions. You made it seem like, you had to think the worst and that because the possibility of abuse was there, there needed to be restrictions.

However, Waters, that wasn't it entirely, no not at all. So you can take the attitude that came with the assumption that, that was it and shove it. Because what happened was in fact the last straw. You're free to feel what you want, and be friends with who you want. Hell, if it mattered to me on an overall basis of just who people talked to I'd have problems. Big ones.

But no, you publicly insulted Mipsy, and because you don't think it was that bad of a statement it's not an attack. Right. And because you obviously didn't jump to assumptions when it came to Canada's abortion laws, it's obviously a justified opinion, right? And every time you've run to the pro-life guild or favored it, every time you've jumped your own gun just like with this thread reply and assuming initially Mipsy was the one who got angry and began this whole thing. Oh no Waters, it's not at all just those two things, if it was I'd be shut up, my opinion would not be worth it.

You can do what you want, and I'll say what I want. If you haven't noticed, my name isn't on the mod list. It's not the guild owner, I'm not doing anything but saying what I think, and what you've made me come to a conclusion of. It's up to Mipsy, and Veled to come to this decision, and it's just for me to finally take charge and say, hey I realize why this is happening and why everyone's saying this s**t and I agree with Mipsy, and you know, I don't think I'm wrong.

Actually it wouldn't be unjust at all, as there is an abortion debate guild and threads in the ED.

The fact is, people from this guild like to go to the pro-life guild and make personal attacks towards others. We've had problems with this before, with some lifers doing the same thing, so they were banned/asked to leave. It's a rule (although not written) than those who are pro-life can't join this guild. Since this was addressed, I know of a couple of lifers who created mules so they could try to join.

Anyway, the problem is, Waters and Sterile thought they had the right to go to the pro-life guild, and make personal attacks against me. They know damn well I can't defend myself in that guild, and feel they have the right to slander me based on posts I make, or petty problems they have. Veled was brought in, because I don't feel any choicer should be allowed to do that. Joining the PLG for discussion is one thing, but joining and then dogging the pro-choice side or specific people? ******** cowardly.

Quoted because it needed revise ment, and also because I want to.

I'm not interested in your drama.
It's not my business. I don't care.

My point is, I am pro-choice and I obey the rules of this forum. That means it shouldn't matter what other guilds I am involved in. My membership in another guild alone should not be a factor in my membership here. I am not involved in any of your drama and therefore there is no reason I should be banned. Beyond that, I don't give a damn about the drama.