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chessiejo

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:50 pm


let's just try to be fair. if a remark would seem intolerant against lets say pagans or wiccans, lets not use it against christians.

the website religioustolerance.org is not this anti christian at least.

you could take a look there and follow their example.

if this bias continues the guild will simply become irrelevant.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:55 am


chessiejo
let's just try to be fair. if a remark would seem intolerant against lets say pagans or wiccans, lets not use it against christians.

the website religioustolerance.org is not this anti christian at least.

you could take a look there and follow their example.

if this bias continues the guild will simply become irrelevant.
*nods* i will try to keep that in mind, but i'd still like to see an example. i hate to know there is something intolerant under my nose, especially being a mod now, if i can't recognize it, then what good am i as a mod? you could PM to tell me if you'd like.

Kalorn
Crew


Starlock
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:23 am


Just to bring this up, there is such a thing as hypersensitivity to 'intolerance.' If you're actively looking for any sign of it, you'll find it in places where it really isn't that big of a problem.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:13 pm


Starlock
Just to bring this up, there is such a thing as hypersensitivity to 'intolerance.' If you're actively looking for any sign of it, you'll find it in places where it really isn't that big of a problem.
or you might take something as intolerant when it wasnt meant to be.

Ninth Pariah


Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:22 pm


chessiejo
let's just try to be fair. if a remark would seem intolerant against lets say pagans or wiccans, lets not use it against christians.

the website religioustolerance.org is not this anti christian at least.

you could take a look there and follow their example.

if this bias continues the guild will simply become irrelevant.


The only problem with trying to be like religioustolerance.org is that we have opinions in which we feel strongly about. Religious tolerance is a resource site that allows people to research and study certain religions without getting the whole "The goddess only knows how to say blessed be...My parents just don't understand that I'm a typical whiney angsty teen...Look at my shitty goth poems about wiccan things..." or "Love Jesus or be damned...Jesus loves everyone, except you...Don't kill babies...Satan loves telemarketers..." Its hard to figure out what a religion is about with all that crazy jargon in there. Religioustolerance.org reports through an almost inhumanly unbiased way.

People have opinions and reasonings for their beliefs. Because of that, this guild won't ever be an unbiased forum full of facts and information. That's why we have the links list. People will challenge what -to them- doesn't feel right. If someone truley believes that you can turn your neighbor into a slug through some spell casting, prepare to be challenged on it. If you believe that a savior will float down on a cloud and bring all the good people up to heaven for coffee and donuts at the end of time, prepare to be challenged on it. However, saying "OMFG you dip, you can't turn someone into a slug. Pagans are so stupid." doesn't follow the rule of respect. Arguing respectfully is allowed, when it comes to personal cut downs or attacks, the line is drawn.

Also keep in mind that Christianity is easier to come up with theories to disprove it simply because it is so well known. Everyone at least knows of the religion and what it stands for. Because of that, people will challenge that the most since that is what is most predominant. Keep in mind also that most pagans grew up for a small fraction of their lives as Christian. They had to challenge it somewhere along the way, as did most healthy Christians. They found it to be false, Christians found it to be true. There's rarely a case of someone growing up pagan and challenging it. Therefore, paganism is not as well known or engrained enough to challenge as extensively by the general public as Christianity is.

If you like, I could start some threads discussing Christianity and some of its theories so some of the Christian members can come in and discuss their Christian beliefs. Or perhaps you could do that, since I'm a bit rusty on specific beliefs on any religion at the moment. Either way, perhaps making a thread explain why you believe what you do will help...
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:25 pm


dont bother

i outahere

chessiejo


Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:30 pm


O__o Ok.

The guild's here if you ever want to come back.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:15 am


chessiejo
dont bother

i outahere


And THAT, ladies and gents, is a perfect example of a close-minded person. Please, try not to do that. This guild, as Tigress Dawn said, is a DISCUSSION FORUM. The link list is the resource section. If you don't like DISCUSSION, then stay out of the forum section, and feel free to browse the many links in our link list.

Also, I'm repeating what Tigress said here, but if you find any topics or posts that you have concerns with about being out of line, please PM either myself or one of our many mods. If you have a problem with a mod, PM Tigress Dawn. If you have a problem with Tigress Dawn...then...welll, there isn't much you can do about that, sorry, but Tigress is a good, responsable user, so this shouldn't occur.

ON TOPIC: I agree with Starlock. Just like conspiracy theorists, if you actively and frantically look for examples of intolerance, you will always find them, whether they are actually true examples of intolerance or not.

Son of Axeman
Crew


Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:55 pm


Alright, let's take it easy. It's really not a big deal if she quits, we have plenty of other members that are awesome and contribute alot to this board. We don't need to taunt her on her way out. She's old enough to make her own deciscions and if she wants to quit, fine.


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If you have a problem with Tigress Dawn...then...welll, there isn't much you can do about that, sorry, but Tigress is a good, responsable user, so this shouldn't occur.


If you do happen to have a problem with me, you can contact A Murder of Angels since I know him IRL and he'll let me know what the scoop is. If I'm in the wrong, trust me, he'll give me a lecture and I'll shape up. Its happened before.

Also, don't be afraid to contact me personally and let me know what the deal is. That's also been done before. I don't get bend out of shape over it or upset. As long as I don't get a message saying "OMFG U SUCK tIGRESS!! ninja CyBeR plz now?" I'll seriously take a look at your letter, step back and rethink what I'm doing.

The guild is a community, without the members we would not have a guild. Which means everyone's opinions, ideas, and complaints do count, so long as you present them in a logical and rational manner.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:50 am


Son of Axeman
chessiejo
dont bother

i outahere


And THAT, ladies and gents, is a perfect example of a close-minded person. Please, try not to do that. This guild, as Tigress Dawn said, is a DISCUSSION FORUM. The link list is the resource section. If you don't like DISCUSSION, then stay out of the forum section, and feel free to browse the many links in our link list.

Also, I'm repeating what Tigress said here, but if you find any topics or posts that you have concerns with about being out of line, please PM either myself or one of our many mods. If you have a problem with a mod, PM Tigress Dawn. If you have a problem with Tigress Dawn...then...welll, there isn't much you can do about that, sorry, but Tigress is a good, responsable user, so this shouldn't occur.

ON TOPIC: I agree with Starlock. Just like conspiracy theorists, if you actively and frantically look for examples of intolerance, you will always find them, whether they are actually true examples of intolerance or not.
i would not call the close-minded. maybe she was afraid of being ganged-up upon. i hope no one feels this way.

Kalorn
Crew


NonMisanthropist

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:25 pm


Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

I have no idea what I thought was so funny...

Am I being hypersensitive about the Christian bashing thing? Oh! Ow! my fingers are bruising on the keyboard! I'm so sensitive!!

jk... but I did notice it really fast so somethings gotta be there.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:52 pm


NonMisanthropist
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

I have no idea what I thought was so funny...

Am I being hypersensitive about the Christian bashing thing? Oh! Ow! my fingers are bruising on the keyboard! I'm so sensitive!!

jk... but I did notice it really fast so somethings gotta be there.
well we were talking about it, and i think it is in part the "unresolved questions of Christanity" and similar threads where people who turned away from Christanity express their opinions and they were not given arguements that was convincing to them. i don't think it's intolerance as much as some people expressing why they are not Christian anymore. does that make sense? do you understand the difference? let me know if you think this might be it or if it's something else.

Kalorn
Crew


Captain Jack Sporky
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:42 am


Whoa, lots of things to adress.
#1! Christian bashing:
Well, a lot of threads do feature upon debunking Christianity, more than back when this was new(GGN, at least), but questioning is good. In a discussion forum, as Tigress Dawn said, you should be prepared to be challenged about your beliefs. Tho some of the threads have been, or cited some more, more-mean-toned things than the norm. But when it gets out of hand, as someone earlier said, it usually gets stopped.

#2!
cheesiejo
let's just try to be fair. if a remark would seem intolerant against lets say pagans or wiccans, lets not use it against christians.

Whoa, did you just say that? I've seen a few cases of less than complimentary pagan things around here as well. It's just that there are more non-christians than Christians around here.

#3! I'm sorry that you've decided to leave, chessiejo.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:12 am


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:22 pm


Tigress Dawn
Also, don''t be afraid to contact me personally and let me know what the deal is. That''s also been done before. I don''t get bend out of shape over it or upset. As long as I don''t get a message saying "OMFG U SUCK tIGRESS!! ninja CyBeR plz now?" I''ll seriously take a look at your letter, step back and rethink what I''m doing.

I won''t address the rest of this thread, as I think the others have a thorough handle on it. However, I would like to say that the above comment by Tigress applies to me and - most likely, though I can''t speak for them - the rest of the mods.

If you''ve got a problem, you have to tell us. If we don''t know, we can''t do anything about it. We''re not gods.

No offense wink
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