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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:29 pm
I really don't think that Obito is Tobi, one has to remember that Obito was the 'failure' of his clan at the time, and they already had Itachi, why bother to revive Obito?
I also Don't adree with the Yondaime = leader theory, Yondaime and Leader look nothing alike, If you piece the few pieces of his face they look nothing alike (BTW, I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that the leader has red hair. They're all following a ginger kid! whee No offense, I was once a ginger, till my pretty red hair turned brown crying )
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:59 pm
shawnalynn I really don't think that Obito is Tobi, one has to remember that Obito was the 'failure' of his clan at the time, and they already had Itachi, why bother to revive Obito? I also Don't adree with the Yondaime = leader theory, Yondaime and Leader look nothing alike, If you piece the few pieces of his face they look nothing alike (BTW, I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that the leader has red hair. They're all following a ginger kid! whee No offense, I was once a ginger, till my pretty red hair turned brown crying ) But we also have to remember something else. Sasuke who is talented got the Sharingan activated at the same age. Under pressure, Obito was able to activate the sharingan to be able to save his friends. And in that, he because a strong shinobi.
And if he is brainwashed of some sort, he isnt a failure, Sir Leader could have made it to where he can train him to be strong. As many Uchiha's as he can get. Plus, each of the members have their purpose.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:54 pm
As for the ObiTobi thing, I don't look at it as a matter of plot, I look at it as a matter of theme.
Kishimoto throughout the series has frequently used multiple characters and instances to illustrate key themes. One being that 'those who don't take care of their friends are worse then trash.' Obito said it, Kakashi adopted it, and it got passed on to Naruto who basically lives that phrase as his way of the ninja along with ' I never go back on my word'
Obito died a very tragic and noble death. I think that would make it all in vain if he could be brought back and as a villain no less. It would also lessen the value of when Kakashi said " all the people I care about are dead" Obito had his purpose and it was very nicely portrayed. As for Tobi's purpose...well...there is the possibility it may just be comic relief...
Also if you do look at it from a plot stand point you have to take Orochimaru into account. Why would he bother with Itachi and Sasuke if there were another Uchiha out there who is reputed to be nothing compared to Itachi and Sasuke.
Regarding the names being similar thing: You can't make any assumptions based on english translations. You would have to look at the original japanese caricatures for their names. I understand they would have similar kanji but you never know. Two similar things could be written two completely different ways in Japanese. So until someone posts a pic of what their Japanese names look like you can't make any assumptions.
and regarding yondaime and akatsuki leader having a similar silhouette: nothing can be based on this either because if you subscribe to that logic then there is nothing to say that Shikamaru and Iruka aren't the same person as well.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:14 pm
Another note on theme and plot: Yondaime (let's for now say "risked his life") to save Konoha from a bijuu and create a jinchuuriki in the process. The third said that the fourth wanted that child to be known as a hero, the townspeople just didn't see it that way. It doesn't make sense to me that this person would round up bijuu knowing that the hosts would be killed, including his own son as the theories state to create more wars and kill more people with tailed demons. If that was the case why did he make Naruto a jinchuurikki? Did he just suddenly decide at a later date that he would round up all the bijuu and kill off the jinchuuriki to harness their power and take over the world? Didn't he work to prevent things like this while he was hokage? Another thing. The dates don't match up. According to Oro's biography found here: http://www.leafninja.com/fullbio.php?p=Orochimaru he joined akatsuki 13 years before the start of the series, one year before Naruto was born. And we know that up until the day he fought kyuubi yondaime was in konoha either as the leader of Kakashi's team or as the fourth hokage, so he couldn't have created akatsuki because it was already established as of one year before the kyuubi attacked konoha.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:24 am
This isn't gonna be a rant post... just an idea. Dun hurt. >.>;
Anyway, I just thought of something. It is beleived -possibly confirmed- that AL has Red Eyes. That doesn't nessesarily mean it has to be an Uchiha. Kurenai has red eyes. Maybe it's a trait thing...? Know where I'm coming from...? xD
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:56 am
I agree with all of that.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:02 am
[Akatsuki.Brat] This isn't gonna be a rant post... just an idea. Dun hurt. >.>;
Anyway, I just thought of something. It is beleived -possibly confirmed- that AL has Red Eyes. That doesn't nessesarily mean it has to be an Uchiha. Kurenai has red eyes. Maybe it's a trait thing...? Know where I'm coming from...? xD True. But, I think that they wouldnt introduce a new character as Sir Leader. To be honest, by them mentioning Uchiha Madara I think that was sort of a clue. Someone so evil and such a genius that he could come up with something like the Akatsuki. Right? Organized crime, and such mystery behind them. The Akatsuki does everything with percision and they also, have a "world domination" plan. Only done by a pure evil genius. Something that Madara Uchiha was. And for him to think that he could take Kyuubi on, because he knows thats what its going to have to take to get it out of Naruto, he has to be power and pure evil. Something that Kyuubi already said Uchiha Madara was. But thats just my resoning.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:41 pm
Hmm... I'm new to this Uchiha Mandara=AL thing, but it makes alot of sense.
For the loooongest time I wanted Yondaime to be teh AL, even though it was in vain. Yondaime's one of my favorite people, and I didn't want him to be dead....
Onto meh favorite theory: Obi-Tobi-to.
I really do think that Tobi could be Obito. There's the whole mask/eye thing as mentioned, and the fact that he does resemble meh 2nd favorite Uchiha greatly (If you add those years that have passed by, he looks like he'd be about Kakashi's age and a little short, like he always seemed to be in the Kakashi boyhood chapters). He has the same playful personality as Obito as well, and is rather boisterous (his bragging after capturing the 3-tailed turtle) as you'd expect the playful character to be.
True, we haven't seen his abilities to completely prove that this is REALLY Uchiha Obito, but there ARE alot of signs.
Also, something not mentioned before... Obito wears those strange clothes: A full body ensemble that is bulted all down the arms and legs? Couldn't that be a support system of sorts since "his" body was crushed under that cave-in?
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:10 pm
*is a theory whore*
Yondaime could not be anyone else than Naruto's dad. My reason's are: 1) Where in the world did he get this random kid from? His own house. 2) Blonde hair and blue eyes. 3) Jiraya's "I'm sorry Fourth." line when he pushed Naruto off the cliff to try and get him to summon Gamabunta. 4) Jiraya's mention that Naruto was "Just like the Fourth."
You ask why Jiraya (and or Kakashi) haven't told Naruto who his father was, and my answer is that Yondaime, for whatever reason, asked that nobody tell Naruto because he (Yondy) didn't want Naruto to hate him for sealing the Kyuubi inside his body.
Oh, and whoever mentioned the thing about Yondaime's clan symbol never being shown, that makes perfect sense. Awesomesauce.
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:35 pm
Hmm... yeah, now when I see where you're coming from Trusty, that kinda makes sense.
I guess it was just kinda a spur of the moment thing, but that was just something I thought up. xD And don't be mad Trusty, but I stole your hair. D:
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:16 pm
Yea, Im kinda a theory whore. XD.
And believe me, its not my hair. So its all good. It looks better on your avi anyways <3 Lol.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:28 pm
Yay! Compliments! But I want your awesome animals... :3
While we're on the 'theory whore' topic, I think I turned my brother into one.
Now he won't STFU about Tobi=Obito.
I should send him here. And let him rant. Srsly. xP
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:27 pm
I think your first one about that Hokage being Naruto's father is probably your best.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:24 pm
HELL YES!! Let's hear it for the theory whores ^_~
<3 @ Kon Kurosaki>> I loOOOOVE your siggy ^3^
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:52 pm
I like to come up with theorys, but I think I prefer to be surprised. It makes things more interesting. Also, if your theory turns out to be false, it can be very disappointing. I'm still hoping for Obito=Tobi. I heart Tobi!
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