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Abortion is just a matter of opinion. Some firmly believe that abortion should be against the law, other do not.
Lets say a girl was raped, and she got pregnant. Do you honestly believe she would want to raise the child of the rapist? I know I wouldn't.
Lets say the condom broke. At least they attempted using protectin, right?
They say no one should have sex without knowing the consequences. That's partly true, but that's what contraception is used for. Remember, it doesn't always work. It's not 100% protection.
Another point: Not only is raising the child a responsibility, but so is taking care of youself while your pregnant, for 9 months. Some may not like the idea of adoption because they may get attached to the child during pregnancy, or because they don't like idea of 9 months with your stomach slowly stretching.
Abortion is just a question of ethics.

What if the family cannot take care of the child? Abortion might be the solution.

I know you might ask "what about Child Care services?"

They're full up to their necks with children; they can't take care of many more.

If you can't take care of a kid (no offense to any of you), at least use protection, and know the consequences.

Very simple, discuss the abortion, but I;m still in conflict myself about what should be done.

know know what incest is wrong but if you have a baby of theres and weren't raped by them then you should have the baby even if its your brothers or daddies.

Then they should have the baby.

Hey, they had their fun, now they should handle their responsibilities like the mature hormone-driven teenagers that they are.

i agree totally also wow i have nothing to add

Abortion is all about bodily integrity.

Everyone in this debate can argue about the circumstances surrounding the pregnancies, and even question the character of the people involved and the moral implications surrounding the conception. In the end, it doesn't make a damn difference.

So what if it's rape? So what if it's incest? So what if the mother might die? SO WHAT if it's a couple of teenagers being irresponsible? So what? It doesn't make a difference, so quit arguing it as though it does. None of that makes any difference to the abortion debate simply because this is an issue that centers around a person's rights to bodily domain and integrity.

No matter how a woman happens to get pregnant, the facts are such that:

1) there is a living organism in her body
2) she has the legal right to bodily integrity

therefore

3) she has the legal right to get an abortion

Basically, because there are laws that define a person's right over things within their bodily domain, a woman is within her rights to get an abortion. So long as the organism/blastula/fetus/baby/child is within the body of another human, that human has the right to eradicate it.

Abortion used to be illegal for many reasons, some of which had to do with the fact that the methods for abortion used to be high in risk.

It is fine if you have your personal moral qualms about people in specific situations getting abortions (like irresponsible teens, etc.), but that does not change the fact that people have rights to their bodily integrity and bodily domain. You cannot make abortion illegal unless you deny a person that right.

Also, it is pretty nonsensical to say that "abortion is bad because we'll just end up killing ourselves off! oh noes!" That's just ridiculous considering the fact that we are currently having PROBLEMS with the fact that our population is too large. Besides that, there will always be people having children unless people start making abortions, visectomies, and the like mandatory. Abortion is not going to wipe out the human race. That notion needs to die. rolleyes

Since when does the government own a woman's body? I thought you were all against socialism; in the thread about political parties, you all seemed pretty against it; you even railed on Krauser for being a Communist. If the government owns a woman's body and what lives in it, is that not Socialism?

Since when has our population been in danger of dying out? And what danger would that prospect be, anyway; the world might be better off without us. Until we get to the population levels of Europe after the Bubonic Plague, don't talk about how 'every life is necessary.' Don't talk about how what is simply a collection of rapidly multiplying cells is suddenly 'life.'

Not until you become the tree-hugging Socialists that you, in supporting abortion, seem to be claiming to be. Trees are alive. But do you protest drilling for oil in the Arctic Circle? Do you go out and stand in front of a tree in new developments and say "In killing this tree, you kill yourself as well as many others; a tree provides oxygen for over twenty people in converting carbon dioxide"? Actually, don't try that one... you might get arrested (thankfully, I got off with a warning...). Are you appalled to find that some people still eat meat? Well guess what; there's only an immensely small difference between us and the cows that you eat in your McDonalds hamburgers every day.

So quit pretending. You're not a tree-hugger, you're not a vegetarian, and you are not pro-life! Get over yourself. Preferably sooner, rather than later, because women are suffering because of you.