|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:24 pm
Oxymoronic Username LadyDarcia O_O ...This happened in Texas? Suprising, no? That's what I was thinking o_0
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:23 pm
MipsyKitten Hentai-tentacle-monster It wasn't as if the vaccine wasn't available beforehand. All they did was made it mandatory. What's the big deal? It means that girls can have it done if they want it, regardles of whether or not the parents want them to have it. Ahh, well the opposite is also true. =/ Oh, and for everyone who is shocked about Perry doing this, it is very likely that he is getting financial benefits from Merck outta it wink Also, did ya'll notice those commercials coming up about HPV awareness..and then a month or so later the advertisements for the vaccine followed? Cunning >.>
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:32 pm
I don't know if I agree with all of you. Yay they get another free needle, and HAVE to. Only 3% of HPV strains can cause cerivcal cancer.... Nor is it the only cause, I don't think it's right to force them to have it, I don't think it's right that people are forced for have a Hep. B or C shot either. Yes, 70-80% of A,erican women have it, but a very high percentage (its over 95%) of those cases will resolve themselves within 3 years with no future inconveiniences. I think it's just another way the government makes profit and makes it seem goody good to the people.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:43 pm
WildberryPopTart I don't know if I agree with all of you. Yay they get another free needle, and HAVE to. Only 3% of HPV strains can cause cerivcal cancer.... Nor is it the only cause, I don't think it's right to force them to have it, I don't think it's right that people are forced for have a Hep. B or C shot either. Yes, 70-80% of A,erican women have it, but a very high percentage (its over 95%) of those cases will resolve themselves within 3 years with no future inconveiniences. I think it's just another way the government makes profit and makes it seem goody good to the people. I agree, and you share share my view point on the matter.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:28 pm
Hentai-tentacle-monster WildberryPopTart I don't know if I agree with all of you. Yay they get another free needle, and HAVE to. Only 3% of HPV strains can cause cerivcal cancer.... Nor is it the only cause, I don't think it's right to force them to have it, I don't think it's right that people are forced for have a Hep. B or C shot either. Yes, 70-80% of A,erican women have it, but a very high percentage (its over 95%) of those cases will resolve themselves within 3 years with no future inconveiniences. I think it's just another way the government makes profit and makes it seem goody good to the people. I agree, and you share share my view point on the matter. I COMPLETELY disagree with the both of you.
I do not see it as another way for anyone to make more money, as how would the government make money if it's mostly paid by a goverment funded program?
It resolves itself in 3 years for most people, yes, true. And for those it doesn't? Better yet, why should they have to deal with it anyways, when the option to avoid it is there? It's not forced, you CAN opt out. It's stressed to get it yes, and even find ways to make people believe they have to, yet it's not 100% forced.
Even if it was, it's not all that expensive (as far as I know, someone correct me!) and it's a precaution just like condoms would be a precaution in sex.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:26 pm
Kata Samoes Hentai-tentacle-monster WildberryPopTart I don't know if I agree with all of you. Yay they get another free needle, and HAVE to. Only 3% of HPV strains can cause cerivcal cancer.... Nor is it the only cause, I don't think it's right to force them to have it, I don't think it's right that people are forced for have a Hep. B or C shot either. Yes, 70-80% of A,erican women have it, but a very high percentage (its over 95%) of those cases will resolve themselves within 3 years with no future inconveiniences. I think it's just another way the government makes profit and makes it seem goody good to the people. I agree, and you share share my view point on the matter. I COMPLETELY disagree with the both of you.
I do not see it as another way for anyone to make more money, as how would the government make money if it's mostly paid by a goverment funded program?
It resolves itself in 3 years for most people, yes, true. And for those it doesn't? Better yet, why should they have to deal with it anyways, when the option to avoid it is there? It's not forced, you CAN opt out. It's stressed to get it yes, and even find ways to make people believe they have to, yet it's not 100% forced.
Even if it was, it's not all that expensive (as far as I know, someone correct me!) and it's a precaution just like condoms would be a precaution in sex.The kids can't opt out if the parents want them to get it. The parents will be pressured to make their kids get it, and most parents will just want to make their kids get it to avoid the trouble without actually researching anything on the matter. Unlike other vaccinations, this one won't effect them until they are at a consenting age. It is not like the vaccination wasn't available before now, the decision was always there. Quote: find ways to make people believe they have to, yet it's not 100% forced. Yes, and I am highly against using fear tactics =/ Quote: Even if it was, it's not all that expensive (as far as I know, someone correct me!) Actually, its being given out for free I believe, and I am all for that for those who would want it. Yes, it is a precaution, but an invasive precaution that is being forced.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:08 pm
MipsyKitten Oxymoronic Username LadyDarcia O_O ...This happened in Texas? Suprising, no? That's what I was thinking o_0 Me too. I hope it gets passed in other places too. My friend's mom is one of the only women on her side of the family that hasn't died from cervical cancer.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:30 pm
Hentai-tentacle-monster The kids can't opt out if the parents want them to get it. The parents will be pressured to make their kids get it, and most parents will just want to make their kids get it to avoid the trouble without actually researching anything on the matter. Unlike other vaccinations, this one won't effect them until they are at a consenting age. It is not like the vaccination wasn't available before now, the decision was always there. Kids can't opt out of much if their parents want them to have it. At 9 I doubt man kids understand the basics of sex (expecially if you go by the US method of 'sex education') let alone what the vaccine is for, what it could help prevent and why it's important. I also doubt many kids will choose to have a shot if given the choice, regardless of what it cures. Parents are told to make their kids have the MMR vaccine, yet many opt out. Studies have shown that a very small amount of children have worse effects after receiving the MMR vaccine, yet the vast majority have no problems. However the thing about it not effecting them now isn't a valid point, as man people get checked for diseases when they don't usually occur until later in life. There's no harm in protecting yourself at an early age. Also, there's always the possibility of rape or mollestation, which could expose children to HPV. The vaccine has been here for a while, but HPV wasn't a hot topic, let alone the knowledge of a vaccine. Personally I only heard of HPV about a year ago, which scares the hell out of me.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:31 pm
I didn't so much mean make a money profit from giving out these shots. What I mean is that they are trying to make it seem as if they really care about people getting this shot... guess what only 3% of the virus can cuase cervical cancer, and even then the chances are slim. It's a way for the government to say "Hey look at us, we're doing something for your kids, free healthcare look!"
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:00 pm
Hentai-tentacle-monster The kids can't opt out if the parents want them to get it. The parents will be pressured to make their kids get it, and most parents will just want to make their kids get it to avoid the trouble without actually researching anything on the matter. And some parents can and will opt out for whatever reason they choose, but most kids at that age don't know much about sex or STDs. Especially with the American public education system's approach on sex education.
The top four STDs ever mentioned in sex ed, in my experience, are AIDS, Gonorrhea, Herpes and/or Syphilis.Hentai-tentacle-monster Unlike other vaccinations, this one won't effect them until they are at a consenting age. Assuming they don't get raped or sexually molested, though.Hentai-tentacle-monster It is not like the vaccination wasn't available before now, the decision was always there. I've been informed that HPV is all that heard of, and even less was the vaccine.
With this now, it's people taking an extreme approach to help protect people by helping them prevent the possibility of contracting the disease. If one exists for AIDS and others, I would nto be surprised if they were taken to legislation to help people fight it or whatnot as early as 11 or 12.
Especially if they're like the HPV vaccine, which is less effective on the sexually active.Hentai-tentacle-monster Quote: find ways to make people believe they have to, yet it's not 100% forced. Yes, and I am highly against using fear tactics =/ Simply giving the facts, maybe a stretched truth isn't always fear tactics.
For example, I heard the exact same information about Hepatitis that I have later on when researched it myself. Only thin missing was more info, which didn't detract from the basics given to a 6th grader.Hentai-tentacle-monster Quote: Even if it was, it's not all that expensive (as far as I know, someone correct me!) Actually, its being given out for free I believe, and I am all for that for those who would want it. Excellent, thank you for correcting me on that.Hentai-tentacle-monster Yes, it is a precaution, but an invasive precaution that is being forced. How is it forced if parents can opt out? How is it invasive, even?
I mean, I can understand feeling like you're losing some form of control about this, when it's only for the betterment of people's health. I don't see it as really invasive though, unless it's very insulting.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:03 pm
WildberryPopTart I didn't so much mean make a money profit from giving out these shots. What I mean is that they are trying to make it seem as if they really care about people getting this shot... guess what only 3% of the virus can cuase cervical cancer, and even then the chances are slim. It's a way for the government to say "Hey look at us, we're doing something for your kids, free healthcare look!" It's still a risk, not to mention the already standing health risks HPV has. Personally, I'd rather know it can be avoided with extra help than deny it because of ONE fact, versus several others.
And why is it so bad the government does something good for a change? This can be a GOOD thing, why is that bad?
EDIT: Link time! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV for those curious to know, I figured it'd help.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:23 am
This is great news everyone!
Yay to health!
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:11 pm
Kata Samoes Hentai-tentacle-monster The kids can't opt out if the parents want them to get it. The parents will be pressured to make their kids get it, and most parents will just want to make their kids get it to avoid the trouble without actually researching anything on the matter. And some parents can and will opt out for whatever reason they choose, but most kids at that age don't know much about sex or STDs. Especially with the American public education system's approach on sex education.
The top four STDs ever mentioned in sex ed, in my experience, are AIDS, Gonorrhea, Herpes and/or Syphilis.True. Its just the matter of making it harder on those who don't want it. I can understand with a vaccination for an airborne disease. I guess I just don't see it as a big enough threat to make it mandatory. Perhaps if every strand of HPV was prevented..but it doesn't even cover all of the cancerous ones. Kata Samoes Hentai-tentacle-monster Unlike other vaccinations, this one won't effect them until they are at a consenting age. Assuming they don't get raped or sexually molested, though. Hmm, I didn't think of that. Kata Samoes Hentai-tentacle-monster It is not like the vaccination wasn't available before now, the decision was always there. I've been informed that HPV is all that heard of, and even less was the vaccine.
With this now, it's people taking an extreme approach to help protect people by helping them prevent the possibility of contracting the disease. If one exists for AIDS and others, I would nto be surprised if they were taken to legislation to help people fight it or whatnot as early as 11 or 12.
Especially if they're like the HPV vaccine, which is less effective on the sexually active.I believe the vaccine was just recently allowed to the public. So, okay, it wasn't always there >.>; But, now it is! Its one thing to protect, but there is a line between protection and freedom of choice. Yes, there is stil a choice, but its made harder on those who don't want it whereas those who want it wouldn't have a harder time aquiring it either way. Kata Samoes Hentai-tentacle-monster Quote: find ways to make people believe they have to, yet it's not 100% forced. Yes, and I am highly against using fear tactics =/ Simply giving the facts, maybe a stretched truth isn't always fear tactics.
For example, I heard the exact same information about Hepatitis that I have later on when researched it myself. Only thin missing was more info, which didn't detract from the basics given to a 6th grader. True. I wish they'd give more facts on the matter instead of stating a number of deaths caused from cervical cancer (I think it's 3,800 deaths a year). Instead, perhaps they could compare the number deaths against a well known killer (of women) to allow it to be summed? Kata Samoes Hentai-tentacle-monster Quote: Even if it was, it's not all that expensive (as far as I know, someone correct me!) Actually, its being given out for free I believe, and I am all for that for those who would want it. Excellent, thank you for correcting me on that. heart *cough* Actually its because of the mandatory status that it's being given out for free *cough*Kata Samoes Hentai-tentacle-monster Yes, it is a precaution, but an invasive precaution that is being forced. How is it forced if parents can opt out? How is it invasive, even?
I mean, I can understand feeling like you're losing some form of control about this, when it's only for the betterment of people's health. I don't see it as really invasive though, unless it's very insulting. Perhaps forced is the wrong word. Lets change that to pressured. Other people pressuring others into something. I'm against in-your-face pressuring even if it is for better health. As for invasive..well.. I consider anything that enters your body as being invasive. However, these are my personal biases.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:38 pm
Trite~Elegy Scare Tactic Propaganda Trite: What's your source on HPV stats for future reference? http://www.ashastd.org/index.cfm the CDC pages for HPV WebMD Makethecommitment.org cancer.gov medem.com and about 4 other sites that I'd have to give directions to get to their HPV pages.
k?Thanks. Don't think I was challenging you, I just wanted to know where they were so I can use them.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|