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 Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:40 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy Yeah, I've heard that the number of people with HPV is extemely high from what I consider reliables sources. (Talk Sex With Sue Johansen) I remember hearing 70-80%. If that many people really do have it, it's a normal thing, so why be so freaked out about it? And if it can cause cancer and horrible warts, why not make the vaccine widely available to EVERYONE? Anyway, the good thin to be happy about on Valentine's Day is that the week surrounding it is Freedom To Marry Week. No, not another crazy-a** sex-phobic event ("Being free to marry means you have the freedom to go out and get married if because that's the only good time to have sex, ever!") but a wonderful celebration of gay couples' fight for the freedom to marry. Now THAT is a celebration of love and a way to be free from society's rigid expectations! I propose a new holiday: Good Sex Day. Dedicate Valentine's Day to talking to your partner about sex, making sweet passionate love to them, educating yourself and others about sex, or just enjoying some good ol' fashioned self-love. heart And pardon the pun, but where do these people get off?! You can't humanely stop people from having sex. And, like others have said, you're just being bossed around by a conservative abstinence-bully. And they make it sound like society is out to get us or something! Or that it's bossing us into having sex! Ridiculous. Quote: So yeah, that's my opinion on this whole "Day of Purity" bullshit. Sorry if I seem to have gotten too high on my soap box while doing so, I get all super-feminist during this time of the month. It's a Pagan belief that a woman is extra powerful during her period, I guess that's true for me. I ******** loved it. But 1. What's wrong with being super-feminist at all times of the month? and 2. I dunno about the period thing. I actually feel weaker. EDIT: Feministe or Feminsting have been talking a lot about Purity Balls and their new counterpart, Integrity Balls. Check it out: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/01/24/put-away-dem-titties-puritygirl/ I fully support your new holiday idea. The problem with young culture's encouraging sleeping around isn't that it apparently encourages sex, as the original article seems to believe, but that it encourages sleeping around for only one gender, which is downright unfair, and that it tends to neglect safe sex. Fun, safe sex is healthy and beneficial. ^_^
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:19 pm
Anardana The problem with young culture's encouraging sleeping around isn't that it apparently encourages sex, as the original article seems to believe, but that it encourages sleeping around for only one gender, which is downright unfair, and that it tends to neglect safe sex. Fun, safe sex is healthy and beneficial. ^_^ DUUDE, SAFE SEX IS LAME! CONDOMS ARE STUPID! I hate how our culture thinks safe sex is somehow "lame." So, guys are expected to sleep around and have one-night-stands, but they have to assume that the girl they're nailing is a virgin and on the pill? After all, there's no time to ask the girl about her sexual history, it "ruins the moment." Don't they realize that if that girl's having casual sex with him, she's probably had casual sex before and she might have an STD? And, if they think it's "lame" to wear a condom, do they think that having that random girl call them a few weeks later and saying "I'm pregnant" is cool? No, wait, it probably doesn't matter to them, they most likely plan on either turning her away to take care of the child (or pay for the abortion) herself or denying ever having sex with them at all. After all, that's what all the "cool guys" are doing these days, right? Sorry, off-topic . . . more feminist rants about double standards, men who are pigs, and what society expects of guys . . . it's probably the period talking.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:06 pm
Lord Setar Ye gods. I looked at the Feministe article, then linked the forums cited on LUELinks. If you want to go to the forums cited in the Feministe article, be warned that they might be under invasion.
/under cover as a repentent teenage runaway/prostitute/junkie who has newly accepted Jesus Christ as her personal savior after she was taken in by an evangelical family. Hallelujah!
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:09 pm
LadyInWhite I might be wrong but isn't the most common way to catch HPV through Non-intercourse? I despise all this "purity festivals" crap. This isn't about protecting your children this is about invading their privacy and shaming them for wanting something that you yourself did at some point (hence getting pregnant and having them). I'd disown anyone who actually believes in this crap and goes along with it. neutral Be proud of your virginity but please don't shove it in my face, because frankly I don't care. It doesn't make you special. EDIT: Ok I just read the Feministe article and I agree with the one crazy person. The country DOES need a revivial. I say we hold a big "Day of Purity" event like woodstock and nuke it. That way all these crazy people will be in one place and we can kill them off before they can start infecting any future generations. rofl I'm really mad about this.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:10 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy I propose a new holiday: Good Sex Day. Dedicate Valentine's Day to talking to your partner about sex, making sweet passionate love to them, educating yourself and others about sex, or just enjoying some good ol' fashioned self-love. heart
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:31 pm
Freedom Fire Anardana The problem with young culture's encouraging sleeping around isn't that it apparently encourages sex, as the original article seems to believe, but that it encourages sleeping around for only one gender, which is downright unfair, and that it tends to neglect safe sex. Fun, safe sex is healthy and beneficial. ^_^ DUUDE, SAFE SEX IS LAME! CONDOMS ARE STUPID! I hate how our culture thinks safe sex is somehow "lame." So, guys are expected to sleep around and have one-night-stands, but they have to assume that the girl they're nailing is a virgin and on the pill? After all, there's no time to ask the girl about her sexual history, it "ruins the moment." Don't they realize that if that girl's having casual sex with him, she's probably had casual sex before and she might have an STD? And, if they think it's "lame" to wear a condom, do they think that having that random girl call them a few weeks later and saying "I'm pregnant" is cool? No, wait, it probably doesn't matter to them, they most likely plan on either turning her away to take care of the child (or pay for the abortion) herself or denying ever having sex with them at all. After all, that's what all the "cool guys" are doing these days, right? Sorry, off-topic . . . more feminist rants about double standards, men who are pigs, and what society expects of guys . . . it's probably the period talking. ....I hate when women blame emotions/having the ovaries to stand up and speak their minds/etc on periods. BUT I still agree, the double standard thing is ridiculous. Maybe talking to your partner is awkward and unsexy, but if you can't even talk about it, why are you doing it? I, personally,, think it's probably sexier to have a partner who knows a lot about sex and cares enough about my physical, and emotional health and needs to talk to me first and plan to keep me safe.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:43 pm
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[url=http://www.lc.org/pressrelease/2007/nr010507.htm]Liberty Council[/url] Be a Part of the Counter Culture: Choose a Life of Sexual Purity This Valentine’s Day is the Fourth Annual Day of Purity ORLANDO, FL – On February 14, students around the world will celebrate the fourth annual Day of Purity. The Day of Purity, a project of Liberty Counsel, is designed for students of all ages who commit to remain sexually pure until marriage. The Day of Purity is designed to encourage students to remain sexually pure and counter the popular message that they should have sex early, often, and with many. National advocacy organizations encourage students to explore their sexuality at an early age. Television ads encourage parents to vaccinate their 9-12 year old girls with the HPV vaccine, after reporting the shocking statistic that 6.2 million people are infected each year with HPV and an average of 3,700 women die each year in the U.S. from HPV. Not once do those ads mention that HPV is a sexually transmitted disease – in other words, the ads don’t convey the most important information: you can’t contract HPV if you choose to remain sexually pure. California has adopted the same strategy of vaccinating its students rather than educating them with a bill that requires all girls entering the sixth grade to be vaccinated for HPV. It’s no surprise that in response to this madness, students yearn for the opportunity to choose a different path. During the first three years of the Day of Purity, students from thousands of schools joined with hundreds of organizations around the world in celebrating sexual purity. A list of some of the supporting organizations is posted at DayOfPurity.org. When students choose to live a life of sexual purity, lives are protected from the devastating physical and psychological effects of sexual promiscuity. With more than 3 million American teenagers infected each year with sexually transmitted diseases, the only safe choice is sexual purity. The Day of Purity presents an opportunity for millions of students to stand up for self-respect and purity. It’s easy to get involved in the Day of Purity. The Day of Purity web site, DayOfPurity.org, allows anyone to download a planning manual along with informative flyers on a variety of topics, order a LivePure wristband and Day of Purity T-shirt, and link to other valuable resources. Rena Lindevaldsen, Coordinator of the Day of Purity, said: "We are a country that kills our unborn, puts a governmental stamp of approval on sinful lifestyles, and prohibits discrimination against all religious beliefs except Christianity. Plainly, America is morally challenged, having turned from the moral traditions of our country. Yet, I'm encouraged for our future. I’ve received thousands of e-mails from students around the world who are excited to be able to make a public commitment for sexual purity and to share the message of sexual purity with their friends. Sexual purity is not just about abstinence; it's about making a commitment to try to live a morally pure life. That means making difficult decisions about what we watch, where we go, who we hang out with, what we say, and what we do. The Day of Purity gives us all an opportunity to stand together in respect for the human dignity and worth of each individual." Bold statement: Untrue. It can be passed down from your family. I have family members who have it that have never had sex. Almost everyone has it anyway, only a few strains cause cancer, and why not be protected from those anyway? Personally, I've never really gotten strong messages to have sex all the time, with everything that moves. I guess I missed that TV show. I think that if a person chooses to remain sexually pure, that's great. I hope it makes them happy. But they really have no right to those of us who don't.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:54 pm
Yet another reason for me to boycott Valentine's Day. Joy. Hey, you know what I want for Valentine's Day? I want people to stop shoving their sex lives in my face at school. I don't want to hear Random Student boasting about how pure they are any more than I want to hear about how the girl in front of me has a gynecologist's appointment because her parents found out she was having sex.
And BTW, whether HPV can be contracted non-sexually is still controversial and is, at the very least, rare. It can be passed parent-to-child, certainly, but towels? Maybe, maybe not. It can also be contracted without intercourse, which--despite being a form of sexual transmission--is often glossed over, resulting in even more infected people who thought, "Well, we just won't do PiV." Oh, and they also forgot to mention one very important thing about contracting HPV: not everyone gets to choose whether they remain "pure" or not, assholes.
* http://www.kidshealth.org/teen/sexual_health/stds/std_warts.html
http://www.arhp.org/healthcareproviders/cme/onlinecme/hpvcp/infection.cfm
(Sorry, those are all the sources I could find. Most sites just say it's a sexually transmitted disease.)
EDIT Edited, accidently left out parent-child exception for non-sexual transmission. I was thinking of Elegy's post about towels when I wrote that. redface
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:57 pm
SterileNeedles Forced on teens? They aren't forcing anything on them. Just encouraging them to abstain. I don't know how they can force anybody to do anything at all. All they can really do is advertise their cause and hope that some people go along with it. I wish people would stop saying that...arg oh nevermind...I don't feel like arguing. Can't even have a differing opinion without getting your head bitten off here...Just forget I said anything. There wouldn't happen to be a delete option so that I may delete my previous post would there? It's not tyour religion we're upset about, Needles just small amount of morons who currently happen to be making the normal ones look bad. And it's not the abstinence that pisses us off, it's that they make it the only valid option. Technically, nobody can really "force" you to do anything, but they can make coerce and manipulate you. Abstinence-only "education" teaches teens that abstinence-until-marriage is the only valid option and that anything outside of that is dangerous and immoral. They completely ignore birth control, STD/STI prevention, abortion, and human sexuality. How is witholding valuable health/safety/sexual information from these teens "just encouraging them"? I'd say that keeping them ignorant is a form of coercion. And the negative social sanctions enforced against those who do have sex? What about those? These teens (especially the women) are literally being told that their worth lies between their legs.* You think that isn't going to have any emotional side effects later on? And when you're taught that sex is always dangerous and bad, is it any wonder that the most common sexual problems you read about are that people are ignorant about sexual pleasure and are too scared to just relax and enjoy it? And what if you're gay? No sex ever? They teach that the only correct time to have sex is MARRAIGE. Homosexual couples cannot legally marry in most of the world. There is nothing wrong with choosing to abstain from having sex. There is, however, quite a lot wrong when you were coerced or misled into this decision. You CAN have a differing opinion. But you should be able to defend your opinions. If they're really that great, they'll be able to stand up to a little wear and tear. *And someone just made an EXCELLENT point about how people can be raped. Does that make them damaged goods?
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:57 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy It's not tyour religion we're upset about, Needles just small amount of morons who currently happen to be making the normal ones look bad. And it's not the abstinence that pisses us off, it's that they make it the only valid option. Technically, nobody can really "force" you to do anything, but they can make coerce and manipulate you. Abstinence-only "education" teaches teens that abstinence-until-marriage is the only valid option and that anything outside of that is dangerous and immoral. They completely ignore birth control, STD/STI prevention, abortion, and human sexuality. How is witholding valuable health/safety/sexual information from these teens "just encouraging them"? I'd say that keeping them ignorant is a form of coercion. And the negative social sanctions enforced against those who do have sex? What about those? These teens (especially the women) are literally being told that their worth lies between their legs.* You think that isn't going to have any emotional side effects later on? And when you're taught that sex is always dangerous and bad, is it any wonder that the most common sexual problems you read about are that people are ignorant about sexual pleasure and are too scared to just relax and enjoy it? And what if you're gay? No sex ever? They teach that the only correct time to have sex is MARRAIGE. Homosexual couples cannot legally marry in most of the world. There is nothing wrong with choosing to abstain from having sex. There is, however, quite a lot wrong when you were coerced or misled into this decision. You CAN have a differing opinion. But you should be able to defend your opinions. If they're really that great, they'll be able to stand up to a little wear and tear. *And someone just made an EXCELLENT point about how people can be raped. Does that make them damaged goods? Their prerogative is to protect teens from potential STDs and pregnancy, you know, to prevent them from spreading more STDs around and so they won't have to get an abortion which is something they don't believe is right. From what I read and from what they presented, all I got out of it was that they want to protect teens from the dangers that can be involved with sex and encourage them to abstain until they find the one they truly love (usually the one you truly love is the one you marry? Correct me if I am wrong...) Your prerogative is to inform these teens about birth control and abortion and other options besides abstinence. Umm...take action? 'Course the last time I mentioned that some people threw fits... I just don't get it. If this bothers so many feminists how come none of them (and I'm sure there are a lot out there) acting on it? Why aren't they doing anything to counter this day of purity thing? Or are they? I dunno. Pass out flyers, make a website. I'm sure there are many things people can do to counter this. Someone already mentioned making a day of sex or something in here, I think it was out of satire but could be a good idea. You can educate young people and ******** all day. As for gays, I don't know how much you guys know about Catholicism but Catholic priests have been known to bless homosexual unions. They don't allow gay marriage but a union is typically the same thing as marriage. (Yes I am aware that with marriage we get all these benefits etc. but this is about when to sex up your partner so let's avoid that argument and stay on topic, shall we? ) So I suppose once your union has been blessed then they can fornicate according to these people? (Of course if they're evangelicals they probably don't want gays fornicating at all). As for the rape part? Seriously? wtf? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Anyone who was raped was obviously forced into sex. She can still abstain from sex even after being raped. Just because your hymen's been busted doesn't mean you can't abstain anymore. And I've never been good at defending my opinions because I'm a pretty stupid individual. So yeah... *obviously depressed so please go easy on me today?*
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:05 pm
S. Shark Yet another reason for me to boycott Valentine's Day. Joy. Hey, you know what I want for Valentine's Day? I want people to stop shoving their sex lives in my face at school. I don't want to hear Random Student boasting about how pure they are any more than I want to hear about how the girl in front of me has a gynecologist's appointment because her parents found out she was having sex.
And BTW, whether HPV can be contracted non-sexually is still controversial and is, at the very least, rare. It can be passed parent-to-child, certainly, but towels? Maybe, maybe not. It can also be contracted without intercourse, which--despite being a form of sexual transmission--is often glossed over, resulting in even more infected people who thought, "Well, we just won't do PiV." Oh, and they also forgot to mention one very important thing about contracting HPV: not everyone gets to choose whether they remain "pure" or not, assholes.
* http://www.kidshealth.org/teen/sexual_health/stds/std_warts.html
http://www.arhp.org/healthcareproviders/cme/onlinecme/hpvcp/infection.cfm
(Sorry, those are all the sources I could find. Most sites just say it's a sexually transmitted disease.)
EDIT Edited, accidently left out parent-child exception for non-sexual transmission. I was thinking of Elegy's post about towels when I wrote that. redface
public ones usually.
there was some article that I read last july about how randomly picked public restrooms in major cities such as New york, LA, chicago etc and even some run of the mill cities you don't hear about had a realtively high content of HPV on the toilet seats.
but then again you'd actually have to like ....rub yourself on the toilet seat to get it - but theres still the chance you can get it.
- does back and forth pelvic motions to imitate getting HPV off a toilet seat- xd
Anyways... it's a persistant and easily transferable virus - like Herpes.
last year while at crew practice, I would take a shower afterward in the boat club's showers - which were public.
sometimes I would forget my flip flops and go barefoot in those showers.
Well at the end of the season I had 3 plantars warts on my left foot and 5 on the right.
Gross right?
I had to get them burned off to stop them from spreading to the rest of my feet. I swear to god that has to have been one of the most painful things ever - getting them burned off. mad
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:20 am
It's not the IDEA on abstinence I dislike, it's the sheer IGNORANCE that drives it. Thankfully I'm UK, so my friend - who wants to abstain - still knows about condoms.
I also dislike the sexual double standard. Men are expected to sleep around, and women are supposed to remain 'pure'. Just who are these guys sleeping with?
One of my favourite bloggers is a girl who loves, craves, has lots of and talks about sex.
Having sex does not make you a bad person.
And I loved a post that Neth made in the debate thread, about how people who suppress urges for food are called anorexics, and she refuses to be a sex anorexic. Props to her for that quote. <3
Also, why do they assume that not being a virgin encourages you to have lots of sex with lots of people? And why are the effects ALWAYS devastating?
Sexual 'purity' is the ONLY safe choice, but it's the SAFEST choice. FGS.
EDIT: And the Purity Girls forum is full of Christians. Go figure. I want to join to educate them a little bit.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:47 am
Freedom Fire DUUDE, SAFE SEX IS LAME! CONDOMS ARE STUPID! Freedom Fire I hate how our culture thinks safe sex is somehow "lame." So, guys are expected to sleep around and have one-night-stands, but they have to assume that the girl they're nailing is a virgin and on the pill? After all, there's no time to ask the girl about her sexual history, it "ruins the moment." Don't they realize that if that girl's having casual sex with him, she's probably had casual sex before and she might have an STD? And, if they think it's "lame" to wear a condom, do they think that having that random girl call them a few weeks later and saying "I'm pregnant" is cool? No, wait, it probably doesn't matter to them, they most likely plan on either turning her away to take care of the child (or pay for the abortion) herself or denying ever having sex with them at all. After all, that's what all the "cool guys" are doing these days, right?
I"M PREGNANT! crying Freedom Fire Sorry, off-topic . . . more feminist rants about double standards, men who are pigs, and what society expects of guys . . . it's probably the period talking.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:19 am
PhaedraMcSpiffy ....I hate when women blame emotions/having the ovaries to stand up and speak their minds/etc on periods. BUT I still agree, the double standard thing is ridiculous. Maybe talking to your partner is awkward and unsexy, but if you can't even talk about it, why are you doing it? I, personally,, think it's probably sexier to have a partner who knows a lot about sex and cares enough about my physical, and emotional health and needs to talk to me first and plan to keep me safe. Yeah, I've sort of re-thought saying it's my period that's making me extra bold and even more super-feminist than usual. I mean, I do tend to be a bold/outspoken feminist pretty much 24/7, but I just feel more empowered around this time of the month. Anyway, I agree, I want a man who cares about my health and would be willing to use protection for both my sake and his. It's unfortunate that men are often conditioned to believe that it's "uncool" to play it safe, or actually care about the women they're with. It's like, society expects them to mistreat their women and only see them as sex objects, and if they see women as real people, if they commit instead of play the field, and if they actually care about their girlfriends' well-being, they're "whipped." These days, men are expected to act like the dominat sex and treat women like they're inferior, because so many men want to remain in control and they feel threatened by the idea of gender equality. I once read an article that said that abortion was wrong, not because it "kills babies," but because it gives women too much freedom. The author insisted that a woman's husand must be the head of the household, and if his wife has too much reproductive freedom, her husband will lose his power, and this society will become a female-dominated society. Now, I understand why some people might oppose abortion because they personally believe it to be morally equivalent to murder - while thier arguments tend to be medically flawed, they're not as bad as the pro-life arguments that are clearly sexist, like the one above. Off-topic, I know. Well, these purity organizations also tend to be sexist as well, when they tell girls that they won't be "worth" as much if they have sex before marriage.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:22 am
I don't know which is worse. Having sex with loads of people to get 'respect' from them, or saving yourself to get 'respect' from your future husband.
What you've had (or have not had) between your legs sholdn't be the deciding factor in whether or not you deserve respect.
If I could get at my honey on Valentine's Day, I'd be sure to ******** his brains out to cancel out one of those 'purity' virgins.
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