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Nios

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:44 pm


Keithing
Nios
TuffGhost
It creeps me out. Honestly.

Did you ever see a movie called The Paper House? Well, it's like the house she drew. On the outside, it looks all innocent, but, like Keithing said, there's something sinister about it.

Haha strange that's what it reminded me if too. I liked that movie.
Maybe I should watch that, then again I couldn't even handle some graphic descriptions of Clockwork Orange, so I'm not too sure.

Oh it's nothing like A Clockwork Orange. It's an old movie, that is creepy but not A Clockwork Orange creepy. I think the movie may be aimed at children. It was based off of an old show my mum watched as a child in Scotland. I saw it this year when it came on television.
Keithing
People are taking art too superficially nowadays. The "oh, that's nice" or "how pretty." Sure, we can make pretty things or some wall adornment, but not all artists are here simply to make things that are just pure fluff. The greatest insult is probably to admire in passing and walk away. As ridiculous as the stereotypical image of the art critic standing still in front of a piece is, it actually works, given that you're open to what the person is trying to say and that they've done their job well. If it fails to give you something interesting to think about, then move on.

...Hmm, so much for avoiding art activism. confused

Thank you for understanding art.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:27 pm


Keithing
People are taking art too superficially nowadays. The "oh, that's nice" or "how pretty."


Name me a single moment in history when every person in any civilization has ever appreciated art the way that you do. Just one.

People take art seriously these days too. You just won't find them at Gaia, not even at colleges some times. But, as I live in New Orleans, they come here in droves to our many art galleries, and man do they talk about pieces for hours. I do that some times too, but only at the galleries, and very amateurishly.

JoVo


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:47 pm


Nios
Thank you for understanding art.
Thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings.

JoVo
Name me a single moment in history when every person in any civilization has ever appreciated art the way that you do. Just one.

People take art seriously these days too. You just won't find them at Gaia, not even at colleges some times. But, as I live in New Orleans, they come here in droves to our many art galleries, and man do they talk about pieces for hours. I do that some times too, but only at the galleries, and very amateurishly.
You know I can't, but the Greeks probably came the closest.

It's sad when people are actually taken into the ploy and think that postmodern art is completely serious. The critics and art theorists are being sincere most of the time, but the other bit is spent mocking, stealing from past art and recycling it as something "new." Then they hide their little joke on society under the fascade of professionalism and their academic credentials.

The "art world" has become a group wanting to be isolated, so they have something to justify some of the most outrageous things. You can spot them, because artistic expression, though subjective, is also universal. People need to be able to see what you want them to, otherwise it's been a waste of time for both parties.

I mean I love art, what it stands for and could go on forever and a day, but I try to be as pragmatic as I can about analysis. I have to see and believe what I'm talking about, otherwise I'd just be another pawn wagging the art theory dog. I PMed -Tak- when he told me that my criticism "made" the drawing into art. Art is art, and should be whether or not there is a theory to back it all up. It seems as though everyone is so absorbed with justifying it all, they forget that without art there is no art theory, not the other way around.

And by the way, I'm just as much an amateur. wink
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:38 pm


Oh Keithing you've outdone me for sure. I'm an art kid, but I never really think about it so deeply. I just do it.

Nios


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:32 pm


Nios
Oh Keithing you've outdone me for sure. I'm an art kid, but I never really think about it so deeply. I just do it.
That's the great part about it, we don't always know what we've put into it. Even when you "just do it" people can see things that we might not want to admit or don't even see ourselves.

For example, I was just drawing yet another nude guy in class, just like any other assignment and someone looks over my shoulder and says that the face I drew on him looked awfully like my own. It was hardly the power of suggestion either, because even though he took his glasses off I'd drawn them in and his hair had a suspicious wave that wasn't suppose to be there.

Sure, we often justify things later, saying we "did it on purpose," but the fact is we're still young and it's practice. It's all art for art's sake, in the end. When it comes time to do what it has all been leading up to, we can borrow from accidents, blunders and all the different work we've done to make something new and mean everything we've placed into it, carefully planned or otherwise. That's why I want people to watch, take the time to appreciate things like Leonardo's strangely smooth faces, or Michaelangelo's bulky figures, down to Rodin's The Thinker's clenched toes (didn't notice that one, did you?). It takes whole lifetimes to learn how to do it and do it well, and we're still learning.

Wow, this is the most passionate I've been about anything in a long time. ...And the art student doubts fly out the window.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:36 pm


I practice mostly soft-sculpture with fabrics, painting, and videos. I'm starting art university in September. I'm really excited. I try not to think about what I'm making in great detail as then it loses it's original meaning. People find it harder to understand. I do enjoy coming up with meanings to other peoples work though. I can think of the craziest connections sometimes and people will think I'm right. I enjoy doing that, just to confuse people.

Nios


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:55 pm


Nios
I enjoy doing that, just to confuse people.
I agree. Sadly, most people don't. I think it was an Andy Warhol print that I saw in class that made the joke quite clear. It was a really crappy silkscreening of American money on paper, that probably sold for hundreds of thousands. What did they really get for it? They could launder bills for less probably, and in the end it's still fake money.

*Note: I'm not promoting fraud or forging of money, it's only an example.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:12 pm


Keithing
Nios
TuffGhost
It creeps me out. Honestly.

Did you ever see a movie called The Paper House? Well, it's like the house she drew. On the outside, it looks all innocent, but, like Keithing said, there's something sinister about it.

Haha strange that's what it reminded me if too. I liked that movie.
Maybe I should watch that, then again I couldn't even handle some graphic descriptions of Clockwork Orange, so I'm not too sure.
It's not a graphic movie, just intensly creepy. It's about a little girl that draws a house, then starts dreaming about the house. So, she adds things to it, but everything appears in exactly the way she drew it. Wow, that sounds really lame now that I type it out. Trust me though, it's creepy as hell.

TuffGhost
Crew


Fade to Gray

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:06 am


it looks unhappy. i believe someone else said something about a face? i see that too.
the red looks like smeared blood. the tree looks as if it is trying to dominate the house.
the house itself is unstable, tilting to the side.

it looks like something that everyone wants to believe is perfect, like a summer day. so, you ignore the off-kilter bits in favor for the lie.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:56 am


I think it represents the basic human need to achieve, the sun symbolizing the achievement, and the human like tree reaching for it, even from the humblist begginings, symbolized by the slightly farm like house in that rocky enviorment.

Pogo


Vague
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:48 am


TuffGhost
Keithing
Nios
TuffGhost
It creeps me out. Honestly.

Did you ever see a movie called The Paper House? Well, it's like the house she drew. On the outside, it looks all innocent, but, like Keithing said, there's something sinister about it.

Haha strange that's what it reminded me if too. I liked that movie.
Maybe I should watch that, then again I couldn't even handle some graphic descriptions of Clockwork Orange, so I'm not too sure.

It's not a graphic movie, just intensly creepy. It's about a little girl that draws a house, then starts dreaming about the house. So, she adds things to it, but everything appears in exactly the way she drew it. Wow, that sounds really lame now that I type it out. Trust me though, it's creepy as hell.
It's based on a book, which was also supposedly turned into an even creepier BBC kids' series in the 70's.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:57 am


Oh I wonder if it was a good book? My mum watched the television show as a child.

Nios


PsiberZombie

Dapper Noob

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:06 am


Why would they make that into a kid's show? That movie really scared me.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:11 am


What's wrong with creepy kids shows? I'm sick of all the fluff they're making children watch these days.

Nios


PsiberZombie

Dapper Noob

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:26 am


Nios
What's wrong with creepy kids shows? I'm sick of all the fluff they're making children watch these days.

Well, nothing I suppose. I was raised on horror movies and rock and roll, but all it really did for me was give me an unhealthy obsession with gore and a chronic fear of the dark. Not that I don't enjoy either of those things.

As for the picture, I made the mistake of reading everyone else's comments first. I've never been very good with anything abstract anyway. To me, it just looks like a typical impression of a kid's drawing.
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