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 Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:41 pm
ZonkotheSane i would disagree, i think. perhaps for the established, mature individual, you would be correct. it is easier to live a frum live in israel. but i would argue that for a still-developing child, or a growing family, it may be in some ways all the more difficult. in chutz l'aretz, one has the concrete, definite seperation of jew and non-jew. there is no "secular jew" to speak of, at least not israeli proportions. there are irreligious jews, and many of them, but relatively few who would define themselves as secular by principal. so. in israel, it can be far easier to "go off", because there is already a majority who have, and the party lines are blurry and ill-defined. there's always more jews to associate with, and many who despise the "old-fashioned". for one who is staunch in his/her belief, this matters little. but what of others, who don't know what to believe? just my 2 cents, and not all that well-founded at that. still, something to think about. Good points... But I think that for people like us, Israel is the place to be.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:50 am
roothands Easier to be religiously or culturally Jewish?
Cause I would say it's probably much easier to be culturally Jewish in Israel, but easier to be religiously Jewish in the United States. My friend in Israel says most Israelis are pretty irreligious, and most of my reading tends to support that view. Also, in the US you have different movements, in Israel it's pretty much Reform or Orthodox. yea that makes sense too, I read this one analogy about it lol about how when like you're having a hard time being the minority you are more likely to snuggle up with judaism and tell her you love her but when it's all good and nice in the world then you're like nooo leave me alone i want to play video games on shabbos! crying xd
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:53 am
darkphoenix1247 You also get days off for religious holidays, and people are so much more understanding of that sort of thing. good point that is one huge advantage to being in Israel. darkphoenix1247 You can also wear what you'd like; for example, if a guy work a yarmulke here, he'd probably get teased, beat up, or in really bad places, shot. >.> oh we aren't supose to wear the kippah to work.. damn it gonk crying I never got that memo damn it who do i complain to. Zonko I never got that whole no wearing kippah memo. I can't believe it. gonk
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:13 am
YvetteEmilieDupont darkphoenix1247 You can also wear what you'd like; for example, if a guy work a yarmulke here, he'd probably get teased, beat up, or in really bad places, shot. >.> oh we aren't supose to wear the kippah to work.. damn it gonk crying I never got that memo damn it who do i complain to. Zonko I never got that whole no wearing kippah memo. I can't believe it. gonk people are stupid. i dunno. i've worn a yarmulke, or some type of hat, every day since age 3. and i've never had much problems about it. i mean, occasionally in grade school a kid would try to steal it, but being very good at running and even better at arm-locks helped a bit. people are stupid.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:00 am
ZonkotheSane i dunno. i've worn a yarmulke, or some type of hat, every day since age 3. and i've never had much problems about it. i mean, occasionally in grade school a kid would try to steal it, but being very good at running and even better at arm-locks helped a bit. ... well we know who in the guild not to piss off ::gives zonko an extra cookie:: ^.^ I think shalom is going to start wearing a kippah to shul when he turns three cause he just got an elmo kippah to add to his shabbos set from his nana. ^.^ He always plays shabbos with me when I babysit ^.^ it's sooo adorable he makes me cover my eyes and i'm making him a challah cover as soon my sewing machine gets a new part. stressed stupid machine. ANYWHOS I don't know who said the whole thing about Jews in Israel not liking other Jews in Israel, but I'm wondering doesn't anyone try and stop it? Like I don't know here at my school we have talks in sex ed all the time about the importance of protected sex and how bad aids is, and it always makes me think if we got talked to from a little age about tolerance over and over again, would it eliminate hate? They always say knowledge is the only weapon to ignorance. I mean we always had talks in ccd (cathlic school basicly) about how you shouldn't have sex before marriage, they only mentioned eveyr now and then the importantace of tolerance and that was when i went to a cathlic school, and in third grade, and to boot I only think it cause her grandmother had been imprised in the japanesse internment camps. So it was important to her. okay i'm done with my rant 3nodding :gives everyone huge cookies for sitting through the rant and gives them choice of milk or soymilk to dip cookie in::
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:17 pm
YvetteEmilieDupont I don't know who said the whole thing about Jews in Israel not liking other Jews in Israel, but I'm wondering doesn't anyone try and stop it? Like I don't know here at my school we have talks in sex ed all the time about the importance of protected sex and how bad aids is, and it always makes me think if we got talked to from a little age about tolerance over and over again, would it eliminate hate? because it's not hate from fear of the different, it's hate from embarrassment of the same. it's also more of a difference of opinion gone horribly wrong. it's all about perspective, and priority. how does one "stop" something like that? in my opinion, protected sex is the lesser of evils. i think tolerance works the same way. people only need it because they shouldn't. Quote: They always say knowledge is the only weapon to ignorance. whoever says that is decidedly ignorant. one can know the entire encyclopedia and still be as dumb as a doorknob. being tolerant isn't important. not being stupid is.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:42 pm
What was your first clue? xp
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:39 pm
basically im against myself cause i have dual citizenship and a) ive already been to israel(1month) and B) me ima is israeli and talks hebrew at home.
tough it all depends on where you live if its easier here in the U.S or israel
theirs one thing for israel though israel has much better food xd
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:15 am
ISRAEL RULES!!! End of story.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:09 pm
true if i had to choose which army i had to be in i would choose israel and i do plan on evetually making aliyah. i consider israel to be my homeland and country more then the U.S. any why. and it the U.S. depending on the community it can be really hard
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:43 pm
I don't mean to be negative, and I'm not sure if this kind of response is appropriate in your topic. But Please, does it really matter? Really?
I'm sorry I just hate that, jewish people with different life styles, living in different countries arguing with each other about who is better. To me it's just pathetic...
SO many people hate jews already and criticizing each other as well is just going to tear the religion apart.
It's just like when Catholics fight with Protestants...
I am an American jew. My father taught me that Judasim, like all religions of the world, is a personal journey between you and your god alone, no one has the right to force their views on others..
All my life, especially in school I've been scolded, looked down upon by other jewish kids in my generation because I wasn't well educated in the Torah, didn't know about Israel, didn't speak enough Hebrew, Etc, Etc.
But you know what I say back. "I'm happy for you that your keeping up with tradition, both of our ancestors would be proud. But god didn't give me any type of paper and pencil test. God gave me life and I'm going to live it the way I want to."
As long as any jewish man/woman/child is generally a good person and spiritually content with judaism isn't that enough?!
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:22 am
Morph:
You know, you're actually right. Everybody does have different levels of beliefs, and none are "right" or "wrong," as it's up to an individual's conscience to decide. This whole debate is impossible to continue in all honesty, as unless you are an unbiased person who has lived in all parts of the United States and all parts of Israel, nobody can fully argue that. Besides that, everybody hates us anyway; why bother comparing things that divide us?
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:40 pm
Well, as an Israeli jew,I'd say that it is much easier to be a jew in the jewish country.
Here we don't have xmas trees or pumpkin heads all over the place, and like I said before- the judaism is obvious, even to a חילוני like myself and my family.
I guess that in America, like most other countries, it is rather different- judaism is a minority, after all.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:23 pm
Morphississ I don't mean to be negative, and I'm not sure if this kind of response is appropriate in your topic. But Please, does it really matter? Really? Does it matter? Yes, it does matter. Israel is our home, Israel where we belong. I'm not saying that not being in Israel makes you a bad jew. Not knowing the Tanak by heart doesn't make you a bad jew either. Nor does not knowing all the names of every commentary ever published. Saying that is just plain stupid, since everyone has their level of belief, and the whole point of Judaism is that we always try to move forward and become closer to G-d. But all that won't change the fact that Israel is where we belong.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:22 pm
Chaplo_666 Well, as an Israeli jew,I'd say that it is much easier to be a jew in the jewish country. Here we don't have xmas trees or pumpkin heads all over the place, and like I said before- the judaism is obvious, even to a חילוני like myself and my family. I guess that in America, like most other countries, it is rather different- judaism is a minority, after all. A minority which heavily influences the culture. And whats wrong with pumpkins? Halloween is an awesome holiday. Free candy. xD
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