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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:30 am


hi everyone!

My name is tse-ring and im a Tibetan buddhist (vajarayana) and i have been a buddhist my whole life since i was born into a buddhist family and culture. because of that i don't really have stories on "realizations" of when i thought i was in the right religion. But i do have many friends who are of different religion and cultural background and through them i have learned alot about different religions. I have learned about Catholics, Christians, LDS, Sikhism, Hinduism, Bhai. It is my personal opinion that being open minded person will open many doors of knowledge that you won't find being an ignorant fool.

I believe that religion shouldn't be a reason for someone to behave the way they do. what i mean by that is, ive met many people who say that they have chosen buddhism because of the values that it holds and because it teaches compassion, kindness, loving nature. I say, if you really want to be a person like that, then you are free to do so without the bounds of religion. This also goes for being a bad person.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:30 pm



I understand what you are saying,
but sometimes it helps people to
put a name on why they do the
things that they do. And that may
not necessarily be a bad or good
thing. Some people just need to
have categories and organization.
I am not sure if you understand
what I am getting at, but I think
that there are people who need
to say "I am Buddhist" to believe
it and to live by the teachings...
-[Haruko]

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:57 pm


N!N! N!N!
I've believed in Buddha my whole life! My friends at school try to convince me to believe in god but thats a no no to me because I think believing in god is so stupid. You HAVE to got to church no matter what, and you have to read out of a stupid bible that has a whole bunch of made up stories for you to believe, but I'm not like that. I wouldnt want to be held back from my religion like that. If you believe in god, you wouldnt be free. You wouldnt be able to celebrate other things. People believe that god created us, but that isnt true..I wanna be free and learn on my own, and believe in what I want to believe, and I believe in Buddha. And I dont care what people say about Buddha, but I still believe! xd

that isn't very Buddhist. We are taught to be tolerant and accepting of other beliefs. That is very closed-minded and cliche....HAVE to go to church no matter what read out of a stipid bible.....not all Christians are so strict...and I also believe that god is a stupid thing to believe in, but it makes people feel better...they don't like the Unknown. Generally.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:36 pm


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N!N! N!N!
I've believed in Buddha my whole life! My friends at school try to convince me to believe in god but thats a no no to me because I think believing in god is so stupid. You HAVE to got to church no matter what, and you have to read out of a stupid bible that has a whole bunch of made up stories for you to believe, but I'm not like that. I wouldnt want to be held back from my religion like that. If you believe in god, you wouldnt be free. You wouldnt be able to celebrate other things. People believe that god created us, but that isnt true..I wanna be free and learn on my own, and believe in what I want to believe, and I believe in Buddha. And I dont care what people say about Buddha, but I still believe! xd

that isn't very Buddhist. We are taught to be tolerant and accepting of other beliefs. That is very closed-minded and cliche....HAVE to go to church no matter what read out of a stipid bible.....not all Christians are so strict...and I also believe that god is a stupid thing to believe in, but it makes people feel better...they don't like the Unknown. Generally.


I think what N!N! N!N! says has some truth in it. He is right about wanting to learn on your own and not being held back by any bounds that a religion would put, after all thats what buddha taught, to learn by experience and not by the word of others, buddha shakyamuni even said, do not follow any teachings blindly, find the truth for yourself...ofcourse not exactly like that but somewhere along the lines of that.

I think the way N!N! N!N! worded has fault in it, we as human beings, not just as a buddhist, should be open minded and dissolve the ignorant in us. We don't have the right to judge anyone or anything else but ourselves, and this also works the other way around, no one else can tell us to do or to believe in anything, we have to find the truth for ourselves.

So my advice is something you have always heard since little.. if you don't have anything nice to say about someone or something, then don't say it. simple right??

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:00 pm


[Haruko]

I understand what you are saying,
but sometimes it helps people to
put a name on why they do the
things that they do. And that may
not necessarily be a bad or good
thing. Some people just need to
have categories and organization.
I am not sure if you understand
what I am getting at, but I think
that there are people who need
to say "I am Buddhist" to believe
it and to live by the teachings...
-[Haruko]


Hi..

hmm lets see.. im not saying that its a good/bad thing, just that a religion shouldn't be the reason you would want to practice those things. I think its really not necessary to put label on something that you believe in, i mean after all, these are your values and that you have chosen to live by them, do you really need a label to help you keep these values in your mind. Ill explain why it might have negative effects to some people:

Lets say, that someone truly believes in and holds up the values of compassion, kindness and loving nature and that he labels them as part of buddhism. Now lets say, that something else he truly believes in from the bottom of his heart doesn't fit in with being a buddhist. And because he believes in it so much that he is even willing to give up buddhism for it. my question is, Wouldn't he abandon the values of compassion, kindness and loving nature since he has made them a part of buddhism?

I think that in my opinion, putting a label on something will bound you to a certain limit, where as if you don't put a label on it, your thinking will be limitless... forever adapting and changing to the moment of the present

im sorry if this didn't make sense, in my head i see this clearly..
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:43 am


Hitokiri_Tsering
[Haruko]

I understand what you are saying,
but sometimes it helps people to
put a name on why they do the
things that they do. And that may
not necessarily be a bad or good
thing. Some people just need to
have categories and organization.
I am not sure if you understand
what I am getting at, but I think
that there are people who need
to say "I am Buddhist" to believe
it and to live by the teachings...
-[Haruko]


Hi..

hmm lets see.. im not saying that its a good/bad thing, just that a religion shouldn't be the reason you would want to practice those things. I think its really not necessary to put label on something that you believe in, i mean after all, these are your values and that you have chosen to live by them, do you really need a label to help you keep these values in your mind. Ill explain why it might have negative effects to some people:

Lets say, that someone truly believes in and holds up the values of compassion, kindness and loving nature and that he labels them as part of buddhism. Now lets say, that something else he truly believes in from the bottom of his heart doesn't fit in with being a buddhist. And because he believes in it so much that he is even willing to give up buddhism for it. my question is, Wouldn't he abandon the values of compassion, kindness and loving nature since he has made them a part of buddhism?

I think that in my opinion, putting a label on something will bound you to a certain limit, where as if you don't put a label on it, your thinking will be limitless... forever adapting and changing to the moment of the present

im sorry if this didn't make sense, in my head i see this clearly..



No, no, I actually understand what you are getting at.
I can see what it is that you mean, and I feel similarly...

But you see, there are many people who may not be able
to understand what you are getting at... There are those
who are, as I refer to them, "sheep," that need labels
and think that without them they could not follow their
beliefs... I am not sure if everyone can get what I am saying
now, but I hope that they do.

I do not claim to be a "Buddhist," at least, not completely
And I will explain why. You see, I believe in the Buddhist
teachings that I have learned so far, but I do not know very
much about Buddhism as compared to, say, you. You were
raised with it, which is wonderful. But I was raised Catholic
and Lutheran, so it was harder and took much longer for me
to gain what little Buddhist knowledge I have.

I have many different beliefs, ideas, dreams, etc. within my mind
and have made a sort of collage of religious and non-religious
beliefs out of them that I follow. I therefore refer to myself as
a "Practicing Buddhist" because not all of my beliefs are derived
from Buddhism, nor do I feel that I know enough about it to claim
to be something that I am not.

All in all, I strive to be understanding and open-minded... I really
want to be a "true Buddhist," but it is not a goal of mine to be
hypocritical. I see what you were getting at with the idea of labels
as constricting and restricting for a person, but I hope you can
see why I think that there are some people who cannot understand
that concept and therefore need their "sheepherders" to give them
those guidelines they cannot make for themselves. -[Haruko]

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:42 pm


I also understand what you are saying, when you talked about the people who need the label to be able to follow their belief. Im just saying that there could be negative effect in doing that but on the other hand, it is human nature to want to be part of something. So i guess we have understood each other.. im glad i had this conversation.

And you are lucky you were able to experience other religions and to know that buddhism is what you wanted to practice in the end. Even though you can learn a lot about a culture or a religion through books and documentaries and even friends, you can't get the experience of actually belonging to that group, which has a stronger effect on your mind.

I think when everything is said and done, all a person can call his own are his values and without that you are nothing.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:40 am


Hitokiri_Tsering
I also understand what you are saying, when you talked about the people who need the label to be able to follow their belief. Im just saying that there could be negative effect in doing that but on the other hand, it is human nature to want to be part of something. So i guess we have understood each other.. im glad i had this conversation.

And you are lucky you were able to experience other religions and to know that buddhism is what you wanted to practice in the end. Even though you can learn a lot about a culture or a religion through books and documentaries and even friends, you can't get the experience of actually belonging to that group, which has a stronger effect on your mind.

I think when everything is said and done, all a person can call his own are his values and without that you are nothing.



I am glad we can discuss things so openly.
You are a very big person. -[Haruko]

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:09 pm


[Haruko]
Hitokiri_Tsering
I also understand what you are saying, when you talked about the people who need the label to be able to follow their belief. Im just saying that there could be negative effect in doing that but on the other hand, it is human nature to want to be part of something. So i guess we have understood each other.. im glad i had this conversation.

And you are lucky you were able to experience other religions and to know that buddhism is what you wanted to practice in the end. Even though you can learn a lot about a culture or a religion through books and documentaries and even friends, you can't get the experience of actually belonging to that group, which has a stronger effect on your mind.

I think when everything is said and done, all a person can call his own are his values and without that you are nothing.



I am glad we can discuss things so openly.
You are a very big person. -[Haruko]


hehe big person? um..im 5'8" and i weigh 135lbs lol
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:30 pm


Hitokiri_Tsering
[Haruko]
Hitokiri_Tsering
I also understand what you are saying, when you talked about the people who need the label to be able to follow their belief. Im just saying that there could be negative effect in doing that but on the other hand, it is human nature to want to be part of something. So i guess we have understood each other.. im glad i had this conversation.

And you are lucky you were able to experience other religions and to know that buddhism is what you wanted to practice in the end. Even though you can learn a lot about a culture or a religion through books and documentaries and even friends, you can't get the experience of actually belonging to that group, which has a stronger effect on your mind.

I think when everything is said and done, all a person can call his own are his values and without that you are nothing.



I am glad we can discuss things so openly.
You are a very big person. -[Haruko]


hehe big person? um..im 5'8" and i weigh 135lbs lol

metaphorically speaking

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:48 pm


When I am feeling stressed and want to revert from my zen-ness I always look at the sky and feel better. The sky is always so calm round and pure and smooth.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:22 am


Ayri^eagle
When I am feeling stressed and want to revert from my zen-ness I always look at the sky and feel better. The sky is always so calm round and pure and smooth.



I am an air sign...
the sky is my freedom...
-[Haruko]

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:24 am


Ayri^eagle
Hitokiri_Tsering
[Haruko]
Hitokiri_Tsering
I also understand what you are saying, when you talked about the people who need the label to be able to follow their belief. Im just saying that there could be negative effect in doing that but on the other hand, it is human nature to want to be part of something. So i guess we have understood each other.. im glad i had this conversation.

And you are lucky you were able to experience other religions and to know that buddhism is what you wanted to practice in the end. Even though you can learn a lot about a culture or a religion through books and documentaries and even friends, you can't get the experience of actually belonging to that group, which has a stronger effect on your mind.

I think when everything is said and done, all a person can call his own are his values and without that you are nothing.



I am glad we can discuss things so openly.
You are a very big person. -[Haruko]


hehe big person? um..im 5'8" and i weigh 135lbs lol

metaphorically speaking



*teehee* I am so glad that someone
understood what I meant... *lol* "big"
as in "big-minded" not "big-bodied" *lol*
-[Haruko]
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:53 pm


[Haruko]
Ayri^eagle
Hitokiri_Tsering
[Haruko]
Hitokiri_Tsering
I also understand what you are saying, when you talked about the people who need the label to be able to follow their belief. Im just saying that there could be negative effect in doing that but on the other hand, it is human nature to want to be part of something. So i guess we have understood each other.. im glad i had this conversation.

And you are lucky you were able to experience other religions and to know that buddhism is what you wanted to practice in the end. Even though you can learn a lot about a culture or a religion through books and documentaries and even friends, you can't get the experience of actually belonging to that group, which has a stronger effect on your mind.

I think when everything is said and done, all a person can call his own are his values and without that you are nothing.



I am glad we can discuss things so openly.
You are a very big person. -[Haruko]


hehe big person? um..im 5'8" and i weigh 135lbs lol

metaphorically speaking



*teehee* I am so glad that someone
understood what I meant... *lol* "big"
as in "big-minded" not "big-bodied" *lol*
-[Haruko]


ohh sweatdrop i see...in that case, thnx for thinking that

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:48 pm


[Haruko]
Ayri^eagle
When I am feeling stressed and want to revert from my zen-ness I always look at the sky and feel better. The sky is always so calm round and pure and smooth.



I am an air sign...
the sky is my freedom...
-[Haruko]

yes exactly, I'm glad someone understands.
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