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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:44 pm


darkmariel
okay, look, I only heard about Doctor who last week, and personally, I think Ive been pretty good about catching up....where can I watch the old sieries?


Do you have a LiveJournal? I know of some communities that would be able to help you with that.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:47 pm


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darkmariel
okay, look, I only heard about Doctor who last week, and personally, I think Ive been pretty good about catching up....where can I watch the old sieries?


Do you have a LiveJournal? I know of some communities that would be able to help you with that.

Or possibly one of the other huge Whovian sites would have links.. I've seen the 'Genesis of the Daleks" and "Revelation of the Daleks" or whatever it was called on YouTube. And a bunch of older ones. A lot of Four is on YouTube.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:03 pm


Ceribri
A lot of Four is on YouTube.
But it won't be for long, as many Who-related things are be taken down. I say, buy the tapes and DVDs. It's worth it, and besides, the more you buy the more you encorage them to release more. It's all very more-ish.

I don't buy any though, I just watch Roobarb's tapes and DVDs.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:29 am


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http://www.gallifreyone.com/guides-canonguide1.php?id=typeall&sn=1

According to the canon keepers guide he had 13 children.


Whoa...Keep in mind that the novels are NOT considered canon by an overwhelming majority of fans. They are just a cut above fan fiction, only because they are professionally punlished, and so it is up to the reader to decide if they are part of his/her personal "canon". But they are not sealed in concrete by any means.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:09 am


Freaj
darkmariel
okay everybody! I just finished watching "fear her" and theres a bit of
conversation where he admits to being a dad once.

...However, Ive been reading something about a loom, and other things...but that would imply that time lords cant be dads.

in a different episode "New Earth" when cassendra takes over his body, she makes a remark about the parts...human parts? Its very confounding.

also, in "the Doctor Dances" he says that hes been around a bit...

Ive also heard that hes half human. Please help me on this?


Yes, in the 8th Doctor movie he admits to being half human on his mothers side, and the master goes on about all this crap about his iris being diferent so he's not pure timelord. And since Susan is his grandaughter, it kind of figures he was a father, once. Though its a bit odd we never got to meet his son, maybe something happened...

And, if you think about it, if the doctor is half human on his mothers side, then he must have had a natural birth and have human DNA and be able to reproduce. But there is some specualtion to whether the Doctor is actually half human, as it hasn't been brought up much. I quite like the idea though.



But never forget that when you've "read somewhere", it may have come from a novel or a fanzine and is therefore not canonical.

All of this brings up some intriguing and very controversial thoughts.

I am sorry that they set it into canon that the Doctor has human blood "half" human is the Master's guess, but the genetic material is obviously there. The Doctor has always been something of an outsider on his home world, so this indeed may help to explain his alienization, even though the Doctor himself has always showed a vanity and arrogance that he shares with most other Timelords.

Someone once mentioned a long time ago that despite their humanoid appearance, Timelords may very well actually be mollusks. They have two hearts like a mollusk, and can regenerate like a mollusk, although they can regenerate whole bodies and not just limbs. The Master was shown in his final episode to indeed be a mollusk-like creature as he slithered into a human corpse he could inhabit. Before that, the Anthony Ainley Master (formnerly Nyssa's father) seemed to have been only a man whose body was possessed and whose mind was completely consumed by the Master, still able to function on the powers he absorbed from the Black Star. So this speculation is now canonical, too.

So if the Doctor has human blood, as the 8th Doctor story tells us, how come? Well, let me offer a possibility. I suspect that the Doctor's father was the one who took a human wife. His mother is never spoken of, but his father certainly was. His father told him all about the beauties of space, safely from their house. I suspect that the frozen tundras of Gallifrey cannot support farmlands or other such holdings outside of domed areas, like the Citadel itself. Keep in mind, the whole planet is a sort of citadel, protecting the encased black hole, better known as Rassilon's Star or the Black Star. This "star" is the source of all their power, and is what powers the TARDIS. These people are Lords in every since of that world, and I suspect the Doctor's father was a wealthy man with a large land-holding. The Doctor gave up a lot when he allied himself with the C.I.A., and he may have done so because he never felt as if he truly fit in at home.

Regarding his human connections...

The 10th Doctor made it very clear that the Doctor was in love with Rose, though he could never say it even to himself. The same was made clear about Sarah Jane (at long last, after the countless speculations of a generation of fans). The only one he ever uttered "those words" to was Grace Holloway, and that was in a post-regeneration confusion. She was one of numerous female companions who either did not return his affections, or who left for some other man.

This then brings up the other question of Susan. Verity Lambert, the original producer, insisted that she was the Doctor's real granddaughter, despite John Nathan-Turner's insistance that she wasn't. As she was created under Lambert's watch, I believe she has the right to decide this issue over anyone else.

So where am I going with these ramblings?

I suspect that in his youth, the 1st Doctor fell in love with a human woman and married her, being too young and inexperienced (by Timelord standards) to quite realize what that would mean. They had at least one child, and that child married a human, and they were the parents of Susan. The only problem, of course, is that the Doctor's human wife (like his own mother before that) lived a human's lifespan, and he was widowed far earlier than he had considered. His child/children probably lived longer than humans, but who knows for how long, being more human than Timelord? Therefore, Susan may very well have been his granddaughter's real name, and she may in fact have been only 15 years old, and was more human that Timelord. She seems to have been born on Gallifrey, based on comments to the Doctor's other companions, but has spent much of her life in space, and in the end she herself marries a human, actually throwing away her TARDIS key as if to make sure her severance with her Timelord heritage is permenant.

Now, this is only one possibility, and otthers could be offered.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:06 pm


ooo....long explanitory post there wind whisper!

very useful, thank you!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:44 am


darkmariel
ooo....long explanitory post there wind whisper!

very useful, thank you!



She's good at long-winded explanations. She always has been. She's usually close to the mark, too.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:46 pm


useful person to have around eh?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:22 am


Hey...I don't know everything!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:41 am


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Hey...I don't know everything!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:54 am


Wind-Whisper
Zeoronics
http://www.gallifreyone.com/guides-canonguide1.php?id=typeall&sn=1

According to the canon keepers guide he had 13 children.


Whoa...Keep in mind that the novels are NOT considered canon by an overwhelming majority of fans. They are just a cut above fan fiction, only because they are professionally punlished, and so it is up to the reader to decide if they are part of his/her personal "canon". But they are not sealed in concrete by any means.


The novels published by the BBC themselves are considered canon. That one however is done by Virgin so it's debatable. But the doctor said he was a dad, he didnt say to how many children.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:24 am


Freaj
And since Susan is his grandaughter, it kind of figures he was a father, once.
Susan doesn't count. Becuase in that film, the Doctor is not a Time Lord. He is a 'mad inventor'. So it's sucky. Also, he actually introduces himself as 'Doctor Who'. So yea. No counting Susan. xp

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:28 am


Yes, Susan! She was in the actual series from the very first episode, and as the Doctor's granddaughter. As WW said, Verity Lambert says so! That's good enough for me!
(I agree about those movies though--and its a crime how stupid they made Ian, too! :X)
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:00 pm


Gotta say that clears up quite a bit about the Doc origins for me. xd It's to bad his son has never made an appearance it would be interesting to see him. 3nodding

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:36 pm


Freaj
darkmariel
okay everybody! I just finished watching "fear her" and theres a bit of
conversation where he admits to being a dad once.

...However, Ive been reading something about a loom, and other things...but that would imply that time lords cant be dads.

in a different episode "New Earth" when cassendra takes over his body, she makes a remark about the parts...human parts? Its very confounding.

also, in "the Doctor Dances" he says that hes been around a bit...

Ive also heard that hes half human. Please help me on this?


Yes, in the 8th Doctor movie he admits to being half human on his mothers side, and the master goes on about all this crap about his iris being diferent so he's not pure timelord. And since Susan is his grandaughter, it kind of figures he was a father, once. Though its a bit odd we never got to meet his son, maybe something happened...

And, if you think about it, if the doctor is half human on his mothers side, then he must have had a natural birth and have human DNA and be able to reproduce. But there is some specualtion to whether the Doctor is actually half human, as it hasn't been brought up much. I quite like the idea though.

Its also possible that only that incarnation was half human
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