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 Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:11 pm
nightwing773 uh, yes. martial arts isn't just about people beating each other up, it's about knowing how to defend yourself, but avoiding the situation where you need to. Martial arts is made up of mental aspects, not just physical, and it makes you a better person in general if you accept that. Katsu Hayabi is a principle taught in Aikido, check it out.
MARTIAL ARTS are NOT about avoiding fights, they are about fighting in general. HENCE THE TERM MARTIAL. I don't see what is so hard about this. Punching equals hurt, kicking equals hurt, throwing equals hurt, grappling equals hurt. YOU DON'T EFFIN LEARN TO HURT PEOPLE IN ORDER TO BE A BETTER PERSON. GET THE EFF OVER IT.
Oh, and Aikido DOES suck. In fact, I almost see no obligation to call it a Martial Art anymore.
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:38 pm
All I have to say is one thing to refute the whole "MA IS ONLY MEANT FOR SELF DEFENSE AND SELF ENLIGHTENMENT" argument......
MIYAMOTO MUSASHI
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:19 pm
nightwing773 aikido does not suck, it's different yes, and not nessecerily practial in all ways, and by no means is it any better than any other martial arts, but some of us here do study it, I do, and have instructor level in it, it's worth the time invested in it, don't criticize something you don't know much about. Yeah, no kicks. Whoop de do. Not a flying jackie chan art, no, but I do say a master who thinks they are unbeatable is selfish, vain and that they are the ones who give any art a bad name. Just don't let the pot call the kettle black. Aikido is simply the art of joint manipulation, pressure points and defensive maneuvers, not really mystical, just physics and the strucuture of the human body. By the time you hit black belt in aikido, you'll know alot about the way the human body works, and how to keep people from using certain moves on you. I use in in live fights with no rules, if someone come at you with fists, use a two handed grip throw and get them 5 feet away from you so it takes them long enough to get up that you can leave. By no means is aikido perfect, but it's no worse than any other art by any means. (cheers) well said. im sorry to say im not very familier with Aikido. In the video he looks like hes just waving his hands and his "students" just drop. I presume that this is not the real way that Aikido is saposed to be used is it? Oh, and Shuma-Gorath. If all your going to do is complain about everyone elses "EFFIN" coments then go hug your damn teddy bear and shut up. Dont bother writing a nasty letter to me either, because im not going to read it. Please add somthing good to the conversation or leave it alone.
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:55 pm
Shuma-Gorath nightwing773 uh, yes. martial arts isn't just about people beating each other up, it's about knowing how to defend yourself, but avoiding the situation where you need to. Martial arts is made up of mental aspects, not just physical, and it makes you a better person in general if you accept that. Katsu Hayabi is a principle taught in Aikido, check it out.
MARTIAL ARTS are NOT about avoiding fights, they are about fighting in general. HENCE THE TERM MARTIAL. I don't see what is so hard about this. Punching equals hurt, kicking equals hurt, throwing equals hurt, grappling equals hurt. YOU DON'T EFFIN LEARN TO HURT PEOPLE IN ORDER TO BE A BETTER PERSON. GET THE EFF OVER IT.
Oh, and Aikido DOES suck. In fact, I almost see no obligation to call it a Martial Art anymore. Martial Art was indeed founded to fight off invadeing enimies and such but now when are you going to see a daimiyo walking around the street? Avoid the fight if you can but if not then put the guy to sleep - Theeodore Rosevelt- Avoid dumb situations because what if the person dosen't know any better and you put him in the hospital; that isn't something to brag about. I would rather brag that the fact I never used my art to harm someone but rather to enhance my Martial ability.
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:13 pm
Shin2 Shuma-Gorath nightwing773 uh, yes. martial arts isn't just about people beating each other up, it's about knowing how to defend yourself, but avoiding the situation where you need to. Martial arts is made up of mental aspects, not just physical, and it makes you a better person in general if you accept that. Katsu Hayabi is a principle taught in Aikido, check it out.
MARTIAL ARTS are NOT about avoiding fights, they are about fighting in general. HENCE THE TERM MARTIAL. I don't see what is so hard about this. Punching equals hurt, kicking equals hurt, throwing equals hurt, grappling equals hurt. YOU DON'T EFFIN LEARN TO HURT PEOPLE IN ORDER TO BE A BETTER PERSON. GET THE EFF OVER IT.
Oh, and Aikido DOES suck. In fact, I almost see no obligation to call it a Martial Art anymore. Martial Art was indeed founded to fight off invadeing enimies and such but now when are you going to see a daimiyo walking around the street? Avoid the fight if you can but if not then put the guy to sleep - Theeodore Rosevelt- Avoid dumb situations because what if the person dosen't know any better and you put him in the hospital; that isn't something to brag about. I would rather brag that the fact I never used my art to harm someone but rather to enhance my Martial ability.
Avoiding dangerous situations are NOT part of Martial Arts, it's a part of life. If you need a Martial Art to tell you to stay out of a dangerous situation, you're doing it wrong (and by it, I mean life).
And to Keyboard's refute, yes. Perfect example. You win.
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:18 pm
Roninofthewest nightwing773 aikido does not suck, it's different yes, and not nessecerily practial in all ways, and by no means is it any better than any other martial arts, but some of us here do study it, I do, and have instructor level in it, it's worth the time invested in it, don't criticize something you don't know much about. Yeah, no kicks. Whoop de do. Not a flying jackie chan art, no, but I do say a master who thinks they are unbeatable is selfish, vain and that they are the ones who give any art a bad name. Just don't let the pot call the kettle black. Aikido is simply the art of joint manipulation, pressure points and defensive maneuvers, not really mystical, just physics and the strucuture of the human body. By the time you hit black belt in aikido, you'll know alot about the way the human body works, and how to keep people from using certain moves on you. I use in in live fights with no rules, if someone come at you with fists, use a two handed grip throw and get them 5 feet away from you so it takes them long enough to get up that you can leave. By no means is aikido perfect, but it's no worse than any other art by any means. (cheers) well said. im sorry to say im not very familier with Aikido. In the video he looks like hes just waving his hands and his "students" just drop. I presume that this is not the real way that Aikido is saposed to be used is it? Oh, and Shuma-Gorath. If all your going to do is complain about everyone elses "EFFIN" coments then go hug your damn teddy bear and shut up. Dont bother writing a nasty letter to me either, because im not going to read it. Please add somthing good to the conversation or leave it alone.
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:51 am
uh-hu...
So how is Aikido saposed to work anyway? This guy either wasnt very good or misunderstood how his art is saposed to be used. Some of you have you have said that you have trained in this art. Im not going to imediatly say its bullshido untill ive heard a little more about it.
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:33 pm
Roninofthewest uh-hu... So how is Aikido saposed to work anyway? This guy either wasnt very good or misunderstood how his art is saposed to be used. Some of you have you have said that you have trained in this art. Im not going to imediatly say its bullshido untill ive heard a little more about it.
Anyway, Aikido is SUPPOSED to be an art that allows the user to exhert as little energy as possible while avoiding oncoming opposition, and utilizes a bunch of wristlocks and throws. It's also supposed to be trained with a decent amount of contact, but has ultimately been watered down over the years, and has it's share of chi suckers (like the guy in the video).
Also, it's techincally not Aikido. It's Daito Ryu Aikijutsu (Aikido comes from this).
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:35 pm
Aikido is the way of harmony. It means literally the way of love or harmony, it shows you how to when attacked to go with what your opponent does and use it to your advantage. Ki is simply using your own internal confidence to scare people, sorry, Its my way of explaining it, normally it doesn't drop people to the ground like that, I find that tacky and stupid. Aikido is joint locks, using your opponents size, weight, and the way they attack you to your advantage not theirs.
yes, that is the real name for it, and not nessecerily the least force possible, just so you don't hurt yourself in the process, there is quite a bit of force in it. We come in shouting about how it doesn't suck because we study this art, or a at least a few of us do, and find it useful in self defense.
this page on youtube demonstrates a few move from aikido in slow motion, it's a demo for a class, showing a group students how to correctly perform them. most of the time the recipient flips because it makes it easier on the limbs. in real life, the opponent would simply be forced to fall unless they were completely willing to lose a body part.
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475V1JcAFcM&mode=related&search=
I would send you a tape of the class that I teach now, but I don't have a video feed on that yet, so I'll let you see that when I get it. It's a good art, it really is.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:03 pm
Hylonomus A real fight doesn't have rules. This is why the military teaches Marines and Special Forces a mix of many martial arts as well as modern combat systems to have the best, most effective way of dispatching an enemy hand to hand in any situation. This is for real fighting, not sparring. A "real fight" does have rules in the way that it doesn't. In that "rules" mean more the situational circumstances of a fight. Because a "real fight" has a ruleset of "no restrictions," it would not favor a pure fighter who's experience lies in one type of ruleset that has restrictions and would thus favor a hybrid fighter who has more experience in a ruleset that's closer in kin to a ruleset w/ no restrictions. Rules are a factor in a fight. Shin2 Martial Art was indeed founded to fight off invadeing enimies and such but now when are you going to see a daimiyo walking around the street? Avoid the fight if you can but if not then put the guy to sleep - Theeodore Rosevelt- Avoid dumb situations because what if the person dosen't know any better and you put him in the hospital; that isn't something to brag about. I would rather brag that the fact I never used my art to harm someone but rather to enhance my Martial ability. That's why martial arts have evolved into sports, physical contests that basically make fighting a safer process. Thus why I keep telling people that sport based martial arts are more inline w/ the supposed "martial spirit" or the original purpose of martial arts than noncompeting martial arts. Martial arts were meant for fighting. What you do with martial arts is your discretion and if you want to use them as a means of "improving yourself" (ie: as a means of physical and mental fitness) w/out actually fighting/sparring/competing you may as well just be doing Tae Bo.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:48 pm
TaeKyon Hylonomus A real fight doesn't have rules. This is why the military teaches Marines and Special Forces a mix of many martial arts as well as modern combat systems to have the best, most effective way of dispatching an enemy hand to hand in any situation. This is for real fighting, not sparring. A "real fight" does have rules in the way that it doesn't. In that "rules" mean more the situational circumstances of a fight. Because a "real fight" has a ruleset of "no restrictions," it would not favor a pure fighter who's experience lies in one type of ruleset that has restrictions and would thus favor a hybrid fighter who has more experience in a ruleset that's closer in kin to a ruleset w/ no restrictions. Rules are a factor in a fight. Shin2 Martial Art was indeed founded to fight off invadeing enimies and such but now when are you going to see a daimiyo walking around the street? Avoid the fight if you can but if not then put the guy to sleep - Theeodore Rosevelt- Avoid dumb situations because what if the person dosen't know any better and you put him in the hospital; that isn't something to brag about. I would rather brag that the fact I never used my art to harm someone but rather to enhance my Martial ability. That's why martial arts have evolved into sports, physical contests that basically make fighting a safer process. Thus why I keep telling people that sport based martial arts are more inline w/ the supposed "martial spirit" or the original purpose of martial arts than noncompeting martial arts. Martial arts were meant for fighting. What you do with martial arts is your discretion and if you want to use them as a means of "improving yourself" (ie: as a means of physical and mental fitness) w/out actually fighting/sparring/competing you may as well just be doing Tae Bo. Uber poh-nidge.
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:57 am
nightwing773 Aikido is the way of harmony. It means literally the way of love or harmony, it shows you how to when attacked to go with what your opponent does and use it to your advantage. Ki is simply using your own internal confidence to scare people, sorry, Its my way of explaining it, normally it doesn't drop people to the ground like that, I find that tacky and stupid. Aikido is joint locks, using your opponents size, weight, and the way they attack you to your advantage not theirs. yes, that is the real name for it, and not nessecerily the least force possible, just so you don't hurt yourself in the process, there is quite a bit of force in it. We come in shouting about how it doesn't suck because we study this art, or a at least a few of us do, and find it useful in self defense. this page on youtube demonstrates a few move from aikido in slow motion, it's a demo for a class, showing a group students how to correctly perform them. most of the time the recipient flips because it makes it easier on the limbs. in real life, the opponent would simply be forced to fall unless they were completely willing to lose a body part. http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475V1JcAFcM&mode=related&search= I would send you a tape of the class that I teach now, but I don't have a video feed on that yet, so I'll let you see that when I get it. It's a good art, it really is. Ah, thanks for the clarification. I think I did see a demo on of it at one time, it didnt have any of that bullshido wave of the hand and you drop to the floor bs thrown into it though. I was very impressed.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:49 am
Keyboard Warrior http://www.comegetyousome.com/viewvid.php?id=1469 A Daitoryu Aikido master makes the claim that he can beat any MMA fighter and wagers 5,000 bucks to any who will accept his challenge. A karate instructor and Brazilian Jujitsu purple belt from Team Barbosa Jujitsu Japan accepts the challenge. Funny. Was that fight fixed? or was it just a joke? OMFG! At the beginning, what was that about, he never even touched the guy and they all go flying? LMAO!
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:51 am
Roninofthewest nightwing773 aikido does not suck, it's different yes, and not nessecerily practial in all ways, and by no means is it any better than any other martial arts, but some of us here do study it, I do, and have instructor level in it, it's worth the time invested in it, don't criticize something you don't know much about. Yeah, no kicks. Whoop de do. Not a flying jackie chan art, no, but I do say a master who thinks they are unbeatable is selfish, vain and that they are the ones who give any art a bad name. Just don't let the pot call the kettle black. Aikido is simply the art of joint manipulation, pressure points and defensive maneuvers, not really mystical, just physics and the strucuture of the human body. By the time you hit black belt in aikido, you'll know alot about the way the human body works, and how to keep people from using certain moves on you. I use in in live fights with no rules, if someone come at you with fists, use a two handed grip throw and get them 5 feet away from you so it takes them long enough to get up that you can leave. By no means is aikido perfect, but it's no worse than any other art by any means. (cheers) well said. im sorry to say im not very familier with Aikido. In the video he looks like hes just waving his hands and his "students" just drop. I presume that this is not the real way that Aikido is saposed to be used is it? Oh, and Shuma-Gorath. If all your going to do is complain about everyone elses "EFFIN" coments then go hug your damn teddy bear and shut up. Dont bother writing a nasty letter to me either, because im not going to read it. Please add somthing good to the conversation or leave it alone.
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