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 Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:04 pm
Padme Potter of Hobbiton Dukes Padme Potter of Hobbiton s a x e Due to issues which are in the past (meaning that we should forget about it so don't bring up any drama here) I think that we should have a rule stating that you cannot use anyones gaian username against them I.E. checking there PMs for placement PMs, etcetera. I would like to add
UNLESS the person having the PM viewed has given full permission for the person viewing the PM to view it.
o.o I said view a lot. Estellio Estel  Oh I disagree. I say under no circumstances. We're not allowed to screenshot PMs to show eachother, why should we allow people to just go in and view them? Estellio Estel
Well if you do it just to blow their cover, there's a term for that, which I'm sure Doox is familiar with since he knows that morality one. stare
The term is "Invasion of Privacy". ^_^; It requires a signed search warrant to do legally.
HirunHikari
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:23 pm
Hirun...
I said, with full permission.
You may have missed that bit?
I don't personally see why it's bad to do that.
I mean, duh. Of course people will know for a fact you have a role.
So?
What is wrong with that? For once you can actually trust someone. Is that bad?
I understand the point of the game is lying and backstabing and not knowing who to trust.
But that's only your opinion. I mean, the more rules you make, the more you're restricting how the game should be played based on how YOU think it should be played.
It is in my personal opinion that the only rules to be had are ones that protect people from actual harm. Having access to an inbox without already given permission is harmful and wrong. Having access to an inbox with the persons already given permission isn't harmful, so why should it be restricted?
I know all the rules don't follow that, and it's only my opinion, but...
@Surrecrux: Don't like that. Many people like to keep placement PMs saveboxed for sentimental value and documentation. The want to do that inreases greatly if you've got a role. Estellio Estel
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:48 pm
 Everyone, I have an idea, lets be smart about this instead of flaming eachother to hell and back.
Pixie has a good point and so does Dukes.
It is up to the person with the placement PM to decide whether they want to show someone or not BUT screenshots can be accessed pretty easily if hosted in the wrong place so I think that is not such a good idea. What the rule is trying to prevent is the viewing of placement PMs without the authority of the user who got the PM originally. Sights Set On Tommorow
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:50 pm
Perhaps it's me, but I fail to see the sentimental value in it? o_o; You know you had the role, others know you had it, the gamemaster knows you had it... so?
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:30 pm
We mean while the game is going on... Sights Set On Tommorow
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:40 pm
Surrecrux Perhaps it's me, but I fail to see the sentimental value in it? o_o; You know you had the role, others know you had it, the gamemaster knows you had it... so? It's a pretty big deal, for quite a few.
Imagine starting playing the game first thing, game 1, and playing EVERY SINGLE game after that and being a gaian/GCDer? When you get a role, it's a big thing.
And it holds memories.
AND we weren't talking after, like Dan said. <3
Estellio Estel
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:36 pm
...I love how the only person Padme's version would really help is her, since she's gotten in trouble with people in the past for barging into an inbox and reading a person's PMs then sharing. A person's inbox is nobody else's business in the first place, just being allowed on the account doesn't mean you should violate their privacy, nor that it's okay to do so.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:48 pm
Dukes ...I love how the only person Padme's version would really help is her, since she's gotten in trouble with people in the past for barging into an inbox and reading a person's PMs then sharing. A person's inbox is nobody else's business in the first place, just being allowed on the account doesn't mean you should violate their privacy, nor that it's okay to do so.
I'm not sure about what Padme has done in the past, but I agree that we should respect other's privacy.
For example, a friend of mine and I trust each other a lot (I know this is stupid and violates the TOS a bit, but I have nothing worth stealing anyway) and we sometimes log onto each other's accounts to play with the avatars. I NEVER look at her PM inbox, because I respect her privacy.
If you have access to another account that is also participating in the game, just don't look at the inbox. Simple as that.
If there needs to be a rule to enforce that, I think it's a problem. We should be able to keep our noses out of other people's business..right?
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:51 pm
Padme Potter of Hobbiton It's a pretty big deal, for quite a few.
Imagine starting playing the game first thing, game 1, and playing EVERY SINGLE game after that and being a gaian/GCDer? When you get a role, it's a big thing.
And it holds memories. Ooh, I'm sorry. I do understand that it might be important to some people. ^_^; What I meant was, why is the message so important that we should take the risk of other people happening upon definitive proof of that person's role? In the wrong hands - and we both know it's happened before - somebody with that information could completely and utterly ruin the game, not only for that person, but for everybody else as well.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:25 am
Surrecrux Padme Potter of Hobbiton It's a pretty big deal, for quite a few.
Imagine starting playing the game first thing, game 1, and playing EVERY SINGLE game after that and being a gaian/GCDer? When you get a role, it's a big thing.
And it holds memories. Ooh, I'm sorry. I do understand that it might be important to some people. ^_^; What I meant was, why is the message so important that we should take the risk of other people happening upon definitive proof of that person's role? In the wrong hands - and we both know it's happened before - somebody with that information could completely and utterly ruin the game, not only for that person, but for everybody else as well. Exactly.
Which is why Dan (s a x e) wanted to have this be a rule.
I just personally don't think seeing a PM WITH PERMISSION should be restricted. Estellio Estel
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:45 am
Padme Potter of Hobbiton Exactly.
Which is why Dan (s a x e) wanted to have this be a rule.
I just personally don't think seeing a PM WITH PERMISSION should be restricted. Hm. o.o; But it's like I already said; the foundation of the game is that there is no absolute proof of anything, so if somebody were to give that proof out, they could have an unfair advantage - or disadvantage, depending on the person they share it with.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:49 pm
Surrecrux Padme Potter of Hobbiton Exactly.
Which is why Dan (s a x e) wanted to have this be a rule.
I just personally don't think seeing a PM WITH PERMISSION should be restricted. Hm. o.o; But it's like I already said; the foundation of the game is that there is no absolute proof of anything, so if somebody were to give that proof out, they could have an unfair advantage - or disadvantage, depending on the person they share it with.
But who's said that's the foundation of the game? I haven't seen it anywhere.
What if I disagree and don't think that's the foundation of the game? What if I think it's something different?
Why can the game only have one meaning and one way to be played? Why can't I have the creative liberty to do other, non harmful things? Why can't I have a different opinion? Why can't my different opinon be okay, if it's only different? It doesn't hurt anyone. It doesn't hurt anything. Why can't my way be right, too?
Estellio Estel
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:38 pm
Padme Potter of Hobbiton
But who's said that's the foundation of the game? I haven't seen it anywhere.
What if I disagree and don't think that's the foundation of the game? What if I think it's something different?
It's not an opinion, nor is it something that can be debated upon. If somebody has absolute proof of another person's role, the trust and suspicion aspect of the game is completely taken away. I really can't put it any simpler.
And no offense, but as somebody who's been playing a lot longer than myself, I seriously hoped you'd understand how the game works by now. o_o
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:36 pm
Surrecrux Padme Potter of Hobbiton
But who's said that's the foundation of the game? I haven't seen it anywhere.
What if I disagree and don't think that's the foundation of the game? What if I think it's something different?
It's not an opinion, nor is it something that can be debated upon. If somebody has absolute proof of another person's role, the trust and suspicion aspect of the game is completely taken away. I really can't put it any simpler.
And no offense, but as somebody who's been playing a lot longer than myself, I seriously hoped you'd understand how the game works by now. o_o
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So, it doesn't take everything away. The person with a role now just has one other person who knows. So? That happens every game. It's not a big deal. There's still a desicion on who to trust. Still the suspicion of whether you can trust who you let see. It's just different.
How the game is played is an opinion.
I play the game differently than others.
Everyone plays the game differently.
Estellio Estel
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:06 pm
Padme Potter of Hobbiton Surrecrux Padme Potter of Hobbiton
But who's said that's the foundation of the game? I haven't seen it anywhere.
What if I disagree and don't think that's the foundation of the game? What if I think it's something different?
It's not an opinion, nor is it something that can be debated upon. If somebody has absolute proof of another person's role, the trust and suspicion aspect of the game is completely taken away. I really can't put it any simpler.
And no offense, but as somebody who's been playing a lot longer than myself, I seriously hoped you'd understand how the game works by now. o_o
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So, it doesn't take everything away. The person with a role now just has one other person who knows. So? That happens every game. It's not a big deal. There's still a desicion on who to trust. Still the suspicion of whether you can trust who you let see. It's just different.
How the game is played is an opinion.
I play the game differently than others.
Everyone plays the game differently.
Estellio Estel So Padme... why don't we just get rid of the no screenshotting PMs rule as well then?
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