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ms.celestial

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:23 pm


i personally don't believe in God. i'm the type to have to see something to believe that it exists. i need reason to have faith.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:21 pm


boku_wa_kage
sleeping_seraphim
if you want to be an evolutionist, you say the egg came first. if you're a creationist you say the chicken! because evolution says that a chicken is a mutant form an original animal (which most species laid eggs at the time) but if you believe in God, you say chicken! because God made a chicken to take care of the eggs it would create!


eek eek ...

Evolutionary biology sees evolution as a process inherent to populations, not simple individuals... and actually, the "mutant" form, means that the animal that survived certain selection caused by the enviroment, is the best adapted to that new enviroment.

And actually.. if you we're evolutionist, you'd rather say a Bacteria came first, or the Protein came first.


Oh tomato potato (as penguin would say) but yes, i get what youre saying. I think I might have been on sugar when i wrote that. >.> but still, when you're trying to somewhat condense, your meaning flies out the window. but yeah! *points up* listen to that guy

sleeping_seraphim


Mongler Of Cocks

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:21 pm


A leap of faith is a lapse in logic.

God is a wonderfully SILLY fantasy.

Unicorns exist, OBVIOUSLY they HAVE to! Why else would we write about them!

Now obviously they only let certain people see them, and their existance is really not capapble of being fathomed by the human mind. So there!

I think I might feel obligated to explain why I'm "anti-theist" but then...I've never seen a single reasonable explination for the belief in god. So I think it's an even playing field.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:49 am


I'm not sure if anyone has addressed this issue yet, but in dealing with religion, it's hard to make any absolutes.

God only exists if people believe God exists. And I mean truley believe. For example: If I believed a giant talking fish created the world, then it is the truth. Because I truley believe it.

So long as people believe in God, God will be real to them. This is why religion is such a powerful thing. This is also why condeming people who don't believe what you believe doesn't work. A response could simply be, "I don't believe in your god so it's pointless to persecute me." This is also why I left the catholic church--too much persecution.

Sam_Took

Sam_Took


Mongler Of Cocks

PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:35 pm


Sam_Took
I'm not sure if anyone has addressed this issue yet, but in dealing with religion, it's hard to make any absolutes.

God only exists if people believe God exists. And I mean truley believe. For example: If I believed a giant talking fish created the world, then it is the truth. Because I truley believe it.

So long as people believe in God, God will be real to them. This is why religion is such a powerful thing. This is also why condeming people who don't believe what you believe doesn't work. A response could simply be, "I don't believe in your god so it's pointless to persecute me." This is also why I left the catholic church--too much persecution.

Sam_Took


Actually I'd like to "correct" this.

I don't think that perception and bias changes truth, your beliefs are changing "reality." The way you view your world and what is fundamentally REAL to you, is in your reality. However TRUTH is in no way altered by people's perception of it. Truth is true regardless of belief, you can ignore it, but it's still true. You just believe in a different reality.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:09 pm


Well, I'm sure a few people have said some of the stuff I'm going to say, but I'm not even going to pretend to read everyone's posts.

[Midori Asuka]

- According to The Bible, God was there to see that everything was darkness, and there was nothingness. So, God decides to create light and the universe.

- According to the Big Bang Theory, matter and energy was stored in such a compacted space over such much time that it exploded out everything that it wad holding, and such things were made like Hydrogen gas and other elements in a matter of seconds.

The Big Bang Theory makes more sense to me, but this is not what this whole topic is about... well not completely.

^^


Well, as I did see someone write, these do NOT have to be mutually exclusive. There is nothing in the Bible that states HOW God made everything, just that He did. I find that the Big Bang Theory makes just as much sense as anything else I've heard and if it was indeed how the universe was created, I believe it was merely the "how" of what God did.

[Midori Asuka]

My question is where did God come from ? I mean He cannot just appear out of nowhere into nothingness and darkness like it is a daily chore.


I read one post that I agree with: If God does exist, it stands to reason that humans may not be able to comprehend how God came to exist. And I have never heard anything that says our universe is the only one nor the first one, so God could possibly have come from another universe somehow.

[Midori Asuka]
Also, with the Noah's Ark and the rainbow, this involves Science as well. God did not necessarily made the rainbow for a promise. Plus, how can you flood the earth ?! I really do not understand this at all ! With the rainbow, it appears because the white light is hitting something that makes it show the colors that it is holding; thus, the rainbow appears in the sky.


This is hitting on the same type of problem with the Big Bang Theory: People seem to have this stereotype that anything we can prove with science implies that God does not exist. Just because rainbows are formed by light hitting water molecules just right doesn't mean that, for example, God didn't put that system in place. There are SO many things in nature that have a very scientific way to be explained, but are just so perfect and beautiful that it's hard to believe it "just happened".

Evolution is one common example. I believe in evolution and I'm a Christian. What I don't believe is that humans evolved from monkeys. That doesn't even make scientific sense anyway. We are STILL unable to find the link between man and monkey, yet so many people would rather believe that humans are a result of random happenings (and evolved from monkeys no less) than believe we were created, as we are now, for an actual purpose (though that purpose seems yet to be realized).

Anyways, what I'm getting at is that science and religion are absolutely NOT mutually exclusive. Much of what we believe about science is just that: a belief. So many of our scientific "facts" are constantly being proven to merely be theories and are constantly being modified to better fit what we now understand (or think we understand).

[Midori Asuka]
There is one religion that I believe, though: Buddhism... really because it is only that makes the most sense to me.


Buddhists believe in ressurection, right? That seems more far-fetched than most anything I've ever heard.... neutral

chronohart

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