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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:01 pm


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I'm rather mixed on the subject.

On one hand, we have the fact that drama is a part of this game. We wouldn't be who... no, what we are without it. Sure there is some unnecessary or over the top drama, but isn't that what we do? It's what keeps this game interesting. Because we all know we need more things to keep us entertained. Also, some people don't mean to start drama, but it happens. Then they would get unfairly removed. And, if some of the things are done in jest, then the mods might consider it bad drama and kick out both parties. So in some ways, I'm against it.

Yet, as I said above, most of the drama here is way too over the top. Some of the people here create it because they are bored. We need more of a crack down on all the unnecessary drama, the stuff that is started over small things that not many people care about. I agree that some of the drama has risen to a bad level. Especially if the people are considering quitting the guild over it. The last thing we need are more angry people.

So, I'm more towards the middle, but I support it. Only if he person is creating unneseccary drama. That means that it's over very trivial things. Or they are just being completely unreasonable, and need to be taken out to cool down. And, I think you need to talk to both sides before banning anyone, because some people might not have meant to start it. But that's a bit hard for 4 people, no? Gah... >.<

There's my opinion. Sorry if it didn't make sense. I think my brain may explode soon if I don't sleep.

EDIT: And as Monkey said, the inactivites that would be caused. It is unfair to the people that may not have meant it, or didn't know that it would cause this much strife to miss out on a game because they had a difference of opinion with someone that they took to an extreme level. They may have been breaking rules (What rules are they breaking, anyway?), but they still deserve to be able to play. This is a community game, not just for those without tempers.
We have discussed how the game needs drama 3nodding I consider the game and the guild two different things. Game drama is fine, imo. The game thrives on drama. Being mean, backstabbing, accusing, all that stuff is fine because its all in the way you play the game.

However, the D is a completley different story. Its the D drama that makes us feel the need for a system. Because the drama in there is unneeded and bad alot of the time.

Also, I feel if someone is flaming, or purposefully causing harmful drama they shouldn't have the right to play the game. If they want to play the game they shouldn't flame or disrespect others.
I guess whan I think drama, I'm not thinking flaming/harassment.

I'm thinking of drama as two people arguing over something trivial, and people getting involved. I agree that if people are flaming people for no reason whatsoever, they deserve a ban. But if they are flaming people, that deserves a full on ban, with little chance of coming back. Because that is against the TOS, not just the rules here. Flaming/harrasment have a whole other category in my mind.

It the drama is bad enough, as in two people duking it out and dragging everyone else into it, then they deserve a temp ban. But most drama sorts itself out in the end.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I think it is wrong to ban someone unless it breaks the TOS or it can cause some type of harm to someone. I think that you guys should only take action if it is really really bad, and you need to take time to think it over. Not just "Oh, they are causing an uproar in some threads, temp ban 'em to get their heads in order." Not that you'll say that, but it shouldn't be used as a thing to make people think about what they had done. And if it's that bad, it warrants a full on ban.

Is it too late to change my opinion? sweatdrop

RE-EDIT: Oh well, I'm going to. I do not support this, as I have more cons than pros. But I can live with it if enough people like it. I promise I won't vreate any drama. ;D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:07 pm


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Wait a minute.....this kind of seems a little harsh. Now, I don't mean to be an a*****e, but this kinda seems like erasing freedom of speech?

My first thought too...

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:40 pm


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PLANNING MY a**.

You people already went ahead and did it, and now I think my comments to Nymphie have made you aware of the fact that you didn't even consider us in the decision and are now trying to cover your asses.

Care to argue? I have a PM stating that Ryan, Myself and Sin are warned.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:46 pm


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    If we have a solid set of rules, why do we need a special system to enforce it? I trust the mods judgement enough to make reasonable decisions.

    Besides, it can be kind of hard to tell the difference between game and guild drama. This sounds like it would just cause more drama than it prevents

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:48 pm


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    If we have a solid set of rules, why do we need a special system to enforce it? I trust the mods judgement enough to make reasonable decisions.

    Besides, it can be kind of hard to tell the difference between game and guild drama. This sounds like it would just cause more drama than it prevents
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It already has...

The drama still exists, even if it's not public. At least when it's public people at least know why Mr. X hates Mrs. Y.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:53 pm


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    If we have a solid set of rules, why do we need a special system to enforce it? I trust the mods judgement enough to make reasonable decisions.

    Besides, it can be kind of hard to tell the difference between game and guild drama. This sounds like it would just cause more drama than it prevents
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It already has...

The drama still exists, even if it's not public. At least when it's public people at least know why Mr. X hates Mrs. Y.

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    Good point.

    Is that why they're always on seperate sides of the slope-intercept equations? :OOO

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:54 pm


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    If we have a solid set of rules, why do we need a special system to enforce it? I trust the mods judgement enough to make reasonable decisions.

    Besides, it can be kind of hard to tell the difference between game and guild drama. This sounds like it would just cause more drama than it prevents
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It already has...

The drama still exists, even if it's not public. At least when it's public people at least know why Mr. X hates Mrs. Y.

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    Good point.

    Is that why they're always on seperate sides of the slope-intercept equations? :OOO
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rofl

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:54 pm


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Wait a minute.....this kind of seems a little harsh. Now, I don't mean to be an a*****e, but this kinda seems like erasing freedom of speech?
The first amendment of the U.S. does not reach the anarchy of the internet, even though there are special rules for California-based servers none of them are applied from the constitution, and even if they could Freedom of speech does not protect the rights of open instigators of demeanor (AKA Dramallamas) because, while the freedom to collaborate or protest is protected, open verbal attacks are not, which is the drama I think we're trying to prevent

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:56 pm


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Kashi1
Wait a minute.....this kind of seems a little harsh. Now, I don't mean to be an a*****e, but this kinda seems like erasing freedom of speech?
The first amendment of the U.S. does not reach the anarchy of the internet, even though there are special rules for California-based servers none of them are applied from the constitution, and even if they could Freedom of speech does not protect the rights of open instigators of demeanor (AKA Dramallamas) because, while the freedom to collaborate or protest is protected, open verbal attacks are not, which is the drama I think we're trying to prevent
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There are no verbal attacks on the internet, it is all virtual/digital. ^__^

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:57 pm


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Kashi1
Wait a minute.....this kind of seems a little harsh. Now, I don't mean to be an a*****e, but this kinda seems like erasing freedom of speech?
The first amendment of the U.S. does not reach the anarchy of the internet, even though there are special rules for California-based servers none of them are applied from the constitution, and even if they could Freedom of speech does not protect the rights of open instigators of demeanor (AKA Dramallamas) because, while the freedom to collaborate or protest is protected, open verbal attacks are not, which is the drama I think we're trying to prevent
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There are no verbal attacks on the internet, it is all virtual/digital. ^__^

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You know what I mean rolleyes

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:58 pm


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Kashi1
Wait a minute.....this kind of seems a little harsh. Now, I don't mean to be an a*****e, but this kinda seems like erasing freedom of speech?
The first amendment of the U.S. does not reach the anarchy of the internet, even though there are special rules for California-based servers none of them are applied from the constitution, and even if they could Freedom of speech does not protect the rights of open instigators of demeanor (AKA Dramallamas) because, while the freedom to collaborate or protest is protected, open verbal attacks are not, which is the drama I think we're trying to prevent
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There are no verbal attacks on the internet, it is all virtual/digital. ^__^

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You know what I mean rolleyes
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I know, but if I didn't say it... you know someone else would have.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:59 pm


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Kashi1
Wait a minute.....this kind of seems a little harsh. Now, I don't mean to be an a*****e, but this kinda seems like erasing freedom of speech?
The first amendment of the U.S. does not reach the anarchy of the internet, even though there are special rules for California-based servers none of them are applied from the constitution, and even if they could Freedom of speech does not protect the rights of open instigators of demeanor (AKA Dramallamas) because, while the freedom to collaborate or protest is protected, open verbal attacks are not, which is the drama I think we're trying to prevent
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There are no verbal attacks on the internet, it is all virtual/digital. ^__^

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You know what I mean rolleyes
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I know, but if I didn't say it... you know someone else would have.

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...touche' mon ami, touche'

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:00 pm


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PLANNING MY a**.

You people already went ahead and did it, and now I think my comments to Nymphie have made you aware of the fact that you didn't even consider us in the decision and are now trying to cover your asses.

Care to argue? I have a PM stating that Ryan, Myself and Sin are warned.

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Dukes, I admit that is a little harshly put...
But I kinda second it, and now that I think of it, this is kinda agenst fredom of speach...Who cares if its not directley protected?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:01 pm


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Kashi1
Wait a minute.....this kind of seems a little harsh. Now, I don't mean to be an a*****e, but this kinda seems like erasing freedom of speech?
The first amendment of the U.S. does not reach the anarchy of the internet, even though there are special rules for California-based servers none of them are applied from the constitution, and even if they could Freedom of speech does not protect the rights of open instigators of demeanor (AKA Dramallamas) because, while the freedom to collaborate or protest is protected, open verbal attacks are not, which is the drama I think we're trying to prevent
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There are no verbal attacks on the internet, it is all virtual/digital. ^__^

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You know what I mean rolleyes
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I know, but if I didn't say it... you know someone else would have.

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...touche' mon ami, touche'
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But seriously, all America-based servers have the rights and laws of the USofA enforced upon them except for where the TOS of the site overrides it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:04 pm


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There are no verbal attacks on the internet, it is all virtual/digital. ^__^

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You know what I mean rolleyes
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I know, but if I didn't say it... you know someone else would have.

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...touche' mon ami, touche'
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But seriously, all America-based servers have the rights and laws of the USofA enforced upon them except for where the TOS of the site overrides it.

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I was unaware confused But back to the point, (and the fact that I've wanted to say this my whole life)

The constitution does not protect flamers 3nodding
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