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 Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:13 pm
The profanity was not necessary.
As you should know, the Quran says that we should be understanding and respectful of others' religions and beliefs, which you obviously are not. I also take your comments about people who celebrate christmas as christians personally because my best friend is a religious christen, and is one of the best person I know.
Are you aware how big a sin it is to accuse someone of not being a Muslim if they say they are? IT IS HARAM!!!!! You have no right what-so-ever to say what you did to me!!! How dare you say that you disregard me as a Muslim! That is between me and Allah!!! You have no place to judge me like that!!
As for the whole christmas thing, you are obviously too narrow-minded to see it any other person's way other than your own! All you see is the christian part with singing songs about the birth of christ, and the angel on the tree, and all that religious stuff! Don't you know that God judges you on your intentions? For instance, if you are running with a fork and trip and the fork stabs someone's leg so that it starts bleeding, God will judge you on the fact that you did not intend to stab someone, but to go to the table with your fork. It's the same with christmas. I do not intend to worship Christ, or celebrate him in any way shape or form during christmas, but to just have fun giving and receiving gifts.
As far as Ramadan goes, this discussion has nothing to do with it. I realize that people exchange gifts then, but it doesn't have to be the only time that Muslims exchange gifts.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:00 pm
x.X.Innocent Passion.X.x The profanity was not necessary. As you should know, the Quran says that we should be understanding and respectful of others' religions and beliefs, which you obviously are not. I also take your comments about people who celebrate christmas as christians personally because my best friend is a religious christen, and is one of the best person I know. Are you aware how big a sin it is to accuse someone of not being a Muslim if they say they are? IT IS HARAM!!!!! You have no right what-so-ever to say what you did to me!!! How dare you say that you disregard me as a Muslim! That is between me and Allah!!! You have no place to judge me like that!! As for the whole christmas thing, you are obviously too narrow-minded to see it any other person's way other than your own! All you see is the christian part with singing songs about the birth of christ, and the angel on the tree, and all that religious stuff! Don't you know that God judges you on your intentions? For instance, if you are running with a fork and trip and the fork stabs someone's leg so that it starts bleeding, God will judge you on the fact that you did not intend to stab someone, but to go to the table with your fork. It's the same with christmas. I do not intend to worship Christ, or celebrate him in any way shape or form during christmas, but to just have fun giving and receiving gifts. As far as Ramadan goes, this discussion has nothing to do with it. I realize that people exchange gifts then, but it doesn't have to be the only time that Muslims exchange gifts. The profanity was indeed necessary because I explained why any event celebrated on December the 25th (like 3 times I explained,) is haraam but it didn't seem to register through your head. You are still NOT understanding the concept. If you'd like to exchange gifts, do it on another day. Otherwise, you don't make any sense and I still laugh at the same crap that you are repeating over and over. You do know that Allah will judge you on your actions? Well this is one of them. I don't care if I offended you. You needed to be offended. (Since you lack of mental capacity to understand anything). I should make a survery here to ask the members of MUG if they celebrate Christmas. I have a very big feeling that you would be the only one. Roflmao xD. I hope you don't pass this "gift giving" stuff to your children on December the 25th. I'm assuming your family just likes to fit in, so they celebrate it. Ramadan has PLENTY to do with this discussion (and it is better than Christmas). Ramadan is an Islamic Holiday. So yes it regards to this because in plages such as Dubai, Ramadan is an extremely special event that to Americans, it looks like Christmas (since the Malls in Dubai sell many special items and many retailers have many discounts just for Ramadan on items such as cars and furniture.) I can go on with that. I can go on and onnn. You are the one who is too narrow-minded to know the concept that celebrating any e-v-e-n-t on December the 2-5-t-h is r-e-l-a-t-e-d to Christmas. And that you are Muslim so what the hell are you doing celebrating this "gift giving" sort of thing on that date. You really have no sense of logic. You are not keeping any Islamic Holidays close to your heart. But when it comes to Christmas you are like a wet cloth dropped into a hot pan with oil. Going "OOO. CHRISTMAS! DO YOU CELEBRATE IT?" No I don't, I'm Muslim. I hold onto my culture and religion and I never will budge into any holidays that do not involve my religion. I can go on and on.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:52 pm
Everyone should just be ignoring Dalya here because more than half the time she doesn't respect other people's beliefs or religions. Although for some odd reason, she thinks she does. She can't seem to get the fact that calling someone a kafir is indeed, haraam. I think it may be because of her screwed up family or life. I'm not sure. So whatever guys, if you think it's okay to give presents on Christmas, go ahead. I only give presents to people on Christmas who give me stuff because they seem to expect something back. Dalya, go ahead and call me a kafir. You are not Allah and it's not in your place to decide who is or is not a Muslim and who will or will not go to hell. Quote: Hazrat Abu Zar reported: "The Messenger of Allah warned: 'whoso called a man an unbeliever or called him 'O Allah's enemy' and he is not in fact so, these words will rebound on him who uttered them."
(Mishkaat ul Masabih, p. 411, with reference to Bukhari and Muslim) Explanation:This Hadees prohibits this reviling of a Muslim as an 'unbeliever' or 'Allah's enemy'. In another tradition it is observed: "When a man calls anyone 'wicked' or 'pagon' and he is not so in fact, these words will rebound on the man who has said them" (Bukhari)
The Messenger of Allah adopted a unique method of forbidding this practice. He warned: "When you call a Muslim 'pagan' or 'enemy of Alalh' and he is in fact no so, these words will rebound on him who uttered them." Many men and woman in a fit of fury dub each other as 'pagan' or 'enemy of Allah'. This act carried heavy penalty. The point is that everybody needs to exercise strict control on the tongue. The slightest slip of the tongue makes the largest difference quite unexpectedly. You must understand it clearly. From A Gift for Muslim Women by Maulana Ashiq Elahi Madani. EDIT: And Dalya... you don't wear the hijab so don't go around telling others you're not a proper Muslim or you're not a Muslim at all because you're not doing one of the basic things required in Islam which is covering your hair.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:05 pm
sword_of_zelos Well i dont know but, ive been told once a phrase the prohphet said i no it in arabic though soo im not sure i can type it O_o;; but it goes something like 'those who act like a certain group of people become one of them' soo its basically like, if you celebrate or do anything special on christmas its like you are acting like a christian and therefore thats how god looks upon you...sooo you only get to celebrate the islamic holidays and stuff... but hey..you can make family reunions everytime not only on christmass.. God said we should be close with our family everytime and not only on holidays! 3nodding Well said zelos, I agree with you totally. My thoughts were basically summed up by what you said. And we musn't lose identity either of who we are either, but your listed reasons are the biggest ones basically. Teehee and funny thing.. just earlier I made reference to that same "those who act like a certain group" thing. Tralala [Arcon] lol..."Christmas. Thousands of trees will die!" and Thousands of activists will cry. YEY Dalya Christmas is a shietty Holiday for s**t-faced people. Simple. *Drops to her level* For what-faced people, you say? How come you aren't celebrating it then ._.a? x.X.Innocent Passion.X.x The profanity was not necessary. As you should know, the Quran says that we should be understanding and respectful of others' religions and beliefs, which you obviously are not. I also take your comments about people who celebrate christmas as christians personally because my best friend is a religious christen, and is one of the best person I know. Are you aware how big a sin it is to accuse someone of not being a Muslim if they say they are? IT IS HARAM!!!!! You have no right what-so-ever to say what you did to me!!! How dare you say that you disregard me as a Muslim! That is between me and Allah!!! You have no place to judge me like that!! Innocent, alas, don't be so mean to Dalya! A woman going through menopause deserves a little more kindness than that. Have patience and pay her no heed. CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix] Quote: Hazrat Abu Zar reported: "The Messenger of Allah warned: 'whoso called a man an unbeliever or called him 'O Allah's enemy' and he is not in fact so, these words will rebound on him who uttered them."
(Mishkaat ul Masabih, p. 411, with reference to Bukhari and Muslim) Explanation:This Hadees prohibits this reviling of a Muslim as an 'unbeliever' or 'Allah's enemy'. In another tradition it is observed: "When a man calls anyone 'wicked' or 'pagon' and he is not so in fact, these words will rebound on the man who has said them" (Bukhari)
The Messenger of Allah adopted a unique method of forbidding this practice. He warned: "When you call a Muslim 'pagan' or 'enemy of Alalh' and he is in fact no so, these words will rebound on him who uttered them." Many men and woman in a fit of fury dub each other as 'pagan' or 'enemy of Allah'. This act carried heavy penalty. The point is that everybody needs to exercise strict control on the tongue. The slightest slip of the tongue makes the largest difference quite unexpectedly. You must understand it clearly. From A Gift for Muslim Women by Maulana Ashiq Elahi Madani. Nicely put Capt. Very nicely. Oh, and I also wanted to point out something.. I've had some christians and other people tell me this.. that Jesus was actually born on some other day, but that the celebration was put in december to overshadow the pagan holidays of that time or something like that. SOMETHING like that.. I don't remember what those people said. But I've heard it from lots of different people, soooo... yeah dunno just wanted to point that out for no reason.. :}
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:18 pm
CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix] Everyone should just be ignoring Dalya here because more than half the time she doesn't respect other people's beliefs or religions. Although for some odd reason, she thinks she does. She can't seem to get the fact that calling someone a kafir is indeed, haraam. I think it may be because of her screwed up family or life. I'm not sure. So whatever guys, if you think it's okay to give presents on Christmas, go ahead. I only give presents to people on Christmas who give me stuff because they seem to expect something back. Dalya, go ahead and call me a kafir. You are not Allah and it's not in your place to decide who is or is not a Muslim and who will or will not go to hell.
Omfg Un! Where have you been?
You have no right to bash me in my posts. I never did to you, but then suddenly you do it to me? I mean wtf o__o.
I do respect peoples beliefs. What I do not understand is how a MUSLIM can celebrate CHRISTMAS. It's not registering.
I know that calling anybody a kafir is haraam you idiot. But my anger towards this ignorant person made me snap.
And like, where have you been? Like Bam. You pop out of no where.
This post is old and you come with a come back. It's rediculous.Quote: Hazrat Abu Zar reported: "The Messenger of Allah warned: 'whoso called a man an unbeliever or called him 'O Allah's enemy' and he is not in fact so, these words will rebound on him who uttered them."
(Mishkaat ul Masabih, p. 411, with reference to Bukhari and Muslim) Explanation:This Hadees prohibits this reviling of a Muslim as an 'unbeliever' or 'Allah's enemy'. In another tradition it is observed: "When a man calls anyone 'wicked' or 'pagon' and he is not so in fact, these words will rebound on the man who has said them" (Bukhari)
The Messenger of Allah adopted a unique method of forbidding this practice. He warned: "When you call a Muslim 'pagan' or 'enemy of Alalh' and he is in fact no so, these words will rebound on him who uttered them." Many men and woman in a fit of fury dub each other as 'pagan' or 'enemy of Allah'. This act carried heavy penalty. The point is that everybody needs to exercise strict control on the tongue. The slightest slip of the tongue makes the largest difference quite unexpectedly. You must understand it clearly. From A Gift for Muslim Women by Maulana Ashiq Elahi Madani. EDIT: And Dalya... you don't wear the hijab so don't go around telling others you're not a proper Muslim or you're not a Muslim at all because you're not doing one of the basic things required in Islam which is covering your hair. Um... When did I say this stuff? If a woman doesn't wear the hijab, woop-dee-frickin-doo. It doesn't matter. I have strong respect for women who do wear it. They have the guts to. So I have no idea where you came up with that xD. Stfu Un, I had enough of you rat-tat-snapping so randomly. Seriously. Christmas is a Christian based holiday. It celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ. And we Muslims don't celebrate his birth nor do we know of it. Think some more Un instead of bashing people.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:23 pm
Dark~Halcyon sword_of_zelos Well i dont know but, ive been told once a phrase the prohphet said i no it in arabic though soo im not sure i can type it O_o;; but it goes something like 'those who act like a certain group of people become one of them' soo its basically like, if you celebrate or do anything special on christmas its like you are acting like a christian and therefore thats how god looks upon you...sooo you only get to celebrate the islamic holidays and stuff... but hey..you can make family reunions everytime not only on christmass.. God said we should be close with our family everytime and not only on holidays! 3nodding Well said zelos, I agree with you totally. My thoughts were basically summed up by what you said. And we musn't lose identity either of who we are either, but your listed reasons are the biggest ones basically. Teehee and funny thing.. just earlier I made reference to that same "those who act like a certain group" thing. Tralala [Arcon] lol..."Christmas. Thousands of trees will die!" and Thousands of activists will cry. YEY Dalya Christmas is a shietty Holiday for s**t-faced people. Simple. *Drops to her level* For what-faced people, you say? How come you aren't celebrating it then ._.a? Because I am not Christian. So I do not "steep to a persons level" just to fit in and celebrate it.x.X.Innocent Passion.X.x The profanity was not necessary. As you should know, the Quran says that we should be understanding and respectful of others' religions and beliefs, which you obviously are not. I also take your comments about people who celebrate christmas as christians personally because my best friend is a religious christen, and is one of the best person I know. Are you aware how big a sin it is to accuse someone of not being a Muslim if they say they are? IT IS HARAM!!!!! You have no right what-so-ever to say what you did to me!!! How dare you say that you disregard me as a Muslim! That is between me and Allah!!! You have no place to judge me like that!! Innocent, alas, don't be so mean to Dalya! A woman going through menopause deserves a little more kindness than that. Have patience and pay her no heed. Uh...Okay? Nice joke? Ha Ha?CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix] Quote: Hazrat Abu Zar reported: "The Messenger of Allah warned: 'whoso called a man an unbeliever or called him 'O Allah's enemy' and he is not in fact so, these words will rebound on him who uttered them."
(Mishkaat ul Masabih, p. 411, with reference to Bukhari and Muslim) Explanation:This Hadees prohibits this reviling of a Muslim as an 'unbeliever' or 'Allah's enemy'. In another tradition it is observed: "When a man calls anyone 'wicked' or 'pagon' and he is not so in fact, these words will rebound on the man who has said them" (Bukhari)
The Messenger of Allah adopted a unique method of forbidding this practice. He warned: "When you call a Muslim 'pagan' or 'enemy of Alalh' and he is in fact no so, these words will rebound on him who uttered them." Many men and woman in a fit of fury dub each other as 'pagan' or 'enemy of Allah'. This act carried heavy penalty. The point is that everybody needs to exercise strict control on the tongue. The slightest slip of the tongue makes the largest difference quite unexpectedly. You must understand it clearly. From A Gift for Muslim Women by Maulana Ashiq Elahi Madani. Nicely put Capt. Very nicely. Oh, and I also wanted to point out something.. I've had some christians and other people tell me this.. that Jesus was actually born on some other day, but that the celebration was put in december to overshadow the pagan holidays of that time or something like that. SOMETHING like that.. I don't remember what those people said. But I've heard it from lots of different people, soooo... yeah dunno just wanted to point that out for no reason.. :}
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:30 pm
Dalya Omfg Un! Where have you been? Hanging out with my friends, visiting family recently, been to school, at home. Normal places, I guess. Dalya You have no right to bash me in my posts. I never did to you, but then suddenly you do it to me? I mean wtf o__o. Just like how you have no right to say that to another Muslim? Dalya I do respect peoples beliefs. What I do not understand is how a MUSLIM can celebrate CHRISTMAS. It's not registering. And what I don't understand is how a Muslim can call someone a non-Muslim when they know it's haraam? Dalya I know that calling anybody a kafir is haraam you idiot. But you still continue to do it. Hmm... I guess that makes you the idiot? Anger is no reason to say that. Even if you are angry, it's haraam but you're still doing it. Dalya towards this ignorant person made me snap. You're calling someone else ignorant? That's kinda funny. Dalya And like, where have you been? I already told you. And I don't see why you care? Dalya Like Bam. You pop out of no where. This post is old and you come with a come back. Less than a month is not exactly old on MUG due to it's inactivity. Ridiculous, you mean?
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:34 pm
When you stop calling people non-Muslims, is when I stop "bashing" people.
And stop calling me Un. Goodness gracious.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:02 pm
Dalya Because I am not Christian. So I do not "steep to a persons level" just to fit in and celebrate it. Mmm I see. Innocent desperately needs friends, so she tries to fit in by celebrating xmas. Get real. And I wish you'd "STOOP" to the lvl of celebrating xmas. Much better than stooping 10 times lower to the point of insulting your own community and harming your self. Dalya Uh...Okay? Nice joke? Ha Ha? YEAH! We agree on something! heart heart Dalya If a woman doesn't wear the hijab, woop-dee-frickin-doo. It doesn't matter. I have strong respect for women who do wear it. They have the guts to. O rly? I have yet to see this respect. As I recall, you deemed ME a kafir as well, remember? Alas.. scuse me while I go do my weekly blood sacrifices. Dalya I know that calling anybody a kafir is haraam you idiot. But my anger towards this ignorant person made me snap. Yeah Uni, she's right. She was so angry that her fingers unwillingly spazzed into typing and forming insulting and hurtful words, and her fingers were so spazztastic that they could not reach for the backspace button. Yelling out mean things verbally is one thing. But lacking the self-control to not TYPE it out is just totally different. I recommend sedatives and seclusion in an abandoned log cabin away from civilization *nodnod* Dalya Think some more Un instead of bashing people. LOL How bout you shut up some more instead of bashing people ey? ... nyaaah. I love you a lot more when you're spirited. Carry on.
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:16 pm
uh...i just say "merry christmas" is that considered haram?? O.O
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:57 pm
Bloody_Mel uh...i just say "merry christmas" is that considered haram?? O.O in a nutshell. no. as long as you dont believe in chrismas...then it can be an expresion of respecting christianity and their way of celebration. the same way you respect other cultures and traditions
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:18 am
[Arcon] Bloody_Mel uh...i just say "merry christmas" is that considered haram?? O.O in a nutshell. no. as long as you dont believe in chrismas...then it can be an expresion of respecting christianity and their way of celebration. the same way you respect other cultures and traditions k;; thanks
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:18 am
Bloody_Mel [Arcon] Bloody_Mel uh...i just say "merry christmas" is that considered haram?? O.O in a nutshell. no. as long as you dont believe in chrismas...then it can be an expresion of respecting christianity and their way of celebration. the same way you respect other cultures and traditions k;; thanks ur welcome
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:15 pm
I just have a lil xmas party with friends, don't really make a big deal of it tho
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:19 pm
I think its completely fine because you live in a country that there is a holiday on this day and want to have fun with your family as the other people in that country do , also your not changing your beliefs or anything , all your doing is having fun and creating family time and sharing gifts , which is a good thing..and as long as what inside you "neya" (in arabic) is what counts to God.., meaning what your doing and why your doing this..for
I raised by a muslims family but I became a Christian , my family are still muslims but they do celebrate christmas with me , they just celebrate it for the heck of it , to give gifts and to sing fun songs and to decorate the tree , its a fun family time nothing more to them.., but for me as a Christian its more ofcourse and has special meaning . My family say that they believe in Jesus and as some muslims celebrate their prophets birthday it wont hurt to celebrate anothers prophet they believe in , no big of a deal if you wanna think about it this way as well 3nodding
About christians drinking their brains out and killing the trees , please get your sources right guys , good real christians dont get drunk or try to anytime of the year because getting drunk is not what God wants us to do really , and about the trees..most people these days arent really using real trees anymore
heart God bless
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