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I never said you did, I pointed that out incase some one (and already has) tryed to.

"I consented to sex, not pregnency." That tried old argument. Sex leads to pregnency, its a gamble. If you consent to the gamble you agree to the out come, other wise you're being dishonoest and irrisponsible. Another tired argument.

"Consentign to sex isn't consenting to pregnancy" COnsidering the only sure way to become pregnant is through sex, I'd say it pretty much is. Its a process of actions. One thing will always lead to another. This how ever is pure opinoin and is futile to argue. I can say the unborn isn't using your body with out consent just as much as you can say it is, either way neither one of us is going to be right or wrong.

That is another reason why personhood should be removed for something else. For now being human should be enough to obtain legal recognition. One day another life form may come along that shows the same intelegence as us, with the capability to make rational thought out actions and the ability to act against their intincts to act in a more civilized (or what we call so) manner, untill then though the only being capable of such an action are humans. There are other mamals that show this, such as dolphines, some cats and dogs, and many species of apes, but in a time of stress and chaose this intiligence is replaced by that animals act to respond to it's instincts.

This new recognition should cover any and all humans, not just the ones who show the ability to be productive to society. This would protect the mentaly handicaped and retarded and brain dead. I would rather not hear about a repeat of the eugenics program implimented by Nazi germany and the US before them.

con·sent (kən-sĕnt') pronunciation
intr.v., -sent·ed, -sent·ing, -sents.

1. To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree. See synonyms at assent.
2. Archaic. To be of the same mind or opinion.

n.

1. Acceptance or approval of what is planned or done by another; acquiescence. See synonyms at permission.
2. Agreement as to opinion or a course of action: She was chosen by common consent to speak for the group.

You see, that is where our opinoins differ. As far as I'm concerned, consenting to sex IS consenting to pregency (which i already stated and you eithe rmissed or ignored) since one thing leads to another in a coarse of events.

The idea of consenting to pregnancy through consenting to sex is really sort of a circular argument. Because assuming you're able to abort a pregnancy, no, there's that option that lets you get out of pregnancy. Sort of like walking on a tightrope with a safety net--you can't call it risking falling and breaking your neck because that net is there to get you out of it. But if you weren't allowed a net, you'd still be able to avoid falling by not getting on the tightrope in the first place.

Thus banning abortion or otherwise making it unavailable is not the same as forcing women to get pregnant. To force a woman to get pregnant, you'd have to also force her to "have sex," which is already illegal.

Point is, only because abortion is an option is consenting to sex not consenting to pregnancy. Abortion is, by definition, a way out. So if abortion is available, then consenting to sex is not necessarily consenting to pregnancy, and the inverse.

Your stance on abortion just relates to what you think is more important, your right to have vaginal intercourse without even a slight risk of pregnancy, or the life of a fetal human.

I've had it more times than I can count. It's not really that amazing. stare

In other words, the child had no controle over the mothers having sex and then its comig to being. The mother did not consent to the child's existence but did consent to the act that brought about it's existence. Unless the woman was raped, you just made an "I consented to sex, but not pregnancy" argument.


The second argument I used was pointing out the commonnly ajoining argument that many choicers try to throw out there right after mackign the consent to sex argument. I never said you actualy made that argument. Sorry that went over your head. Mabye if I had pointed it out you wouldn't have your self all in a knot over it.

You see, that is where our opinoins differ. As far as I'm concerned, consenting to sex IS consenting to pregency (which i already stated and you eithe rmissed or ignored) since one thing leads to another in a coarse of events. Conseinting to sex is consenting to pregnency. Obtainign an abortion after finding your self to be pregnant is, as far as I'm concerned, nothing short of irrisponcibility and inhumanity. Simply beacuse you ar ein an unwanted state of being, dosn't necesarily mean you didn't consent to it.

Beyond your second post about personhood (which i did answer) you asked no questions, only made statements.

I agree with this. Consenting to an action means also consenting to the consequences to an action. People know that they can get pregnant through sex, yet they still do it. And the reasons many have for abortion are usually self-serving.

Since America is a self-serving society, there's nothing we can really say that wouldn't be considered politically correct.

[I would assert (with no example to the contrary known to me) that all human actions are, by nature, self-serving, either dirrectly or indirrectly.

You're saying that abortion is a safety net, and walking on the tight rope is having sex right? The fall would equal the pregnancy?

Almost all human actions have either physical or emotional pleasure as a goal. Making another happy/safe/full/etc. does often bring about emotional satifaction.

And really, any and all weight you put on any given action is just a matter of your personal opinion. To say that one action is by nature "better" than another is making a judgement call which means that it is relative to you. And so others most likely would rate these options differently.