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 Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:25 am
Captain_Theoretical Quote: I think she made it pretty clear what she believed. We came from dirt 'cause God said so. There's evidence for us evolving from apes. We don't share any genetic similarities with dirt. We're almost exacctly like bananas, but not dirt. It would make more sense if we created from bananas. What I meant was that we're clearly not literally made of dirt, and she said she believed in intelligent design (evolution guided by God, if I'm not horribly mistaken) and then she said she didn't believe we evolved from apes. So, I was just wondering that if she believes in evolution but doesn't believe we evolved from apes then what does she believe we evolved from? There's a possibility she just thinks God just made us and we didn't envolve from anything. I know a lot of Christains think God was like ALRIGHT HUMANS! GO! I, personally, am not really sure what went on, but I don't find it all that important. The important thing, I think it that God made us, and that's what matters. I prefer not to get caught up on the details, because I'm crazy. @ Captain: Thanks... I kinda felt like splurging last night and bought myself a bunch of crap XD I'm really bad about saving gold... hahahah XD
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:41 am
I suppose you're right Cap'n... If we came from dirt, that's certainly not intelligent design. Maybe she just used the wrong phrase... or maybe we did evolve from bananas stare
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:19 pm
Quote: There's a possibility she just thinks God just made us and we didn't envolve from anything. I know a lot of Christains think God was like ALRIGHT HUMANS! GO! I, personally, am not really sure what went on, but I don't find it all that important. The important thing, I think it that God made us, and that's what matters. I prefer not to get caught up on the details, because I'm crazy. I know, but if we were spontaneously created by God, that's not intelligent design, is it? Quote: @ Captain: Thanks... I kinda felt like splurging last night and bought myself a bunch of crap XD I'm really bad about saving gold... hahahah XD XD Are you saving for anything in particular?
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:12 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: There's a possibility she just thinks God just made us and we didn't envolve from anything. I know a lot of Christains think God was like ALRIGHT HUMANS! GO! I, personally, am not really sure what went on, but I don't find it all that important. The important thing, I think it that God made us, and that's what matters. I prefer not to get caught up on the details, because I'm crazy. I know, but if we were spontaneously created by God, that's not intelligent design, is it? Quote: @ Captain: Thanks... I kinda felt like splurging last night and bought myself a bunch of crap XD I'm really bad about saving gold... hahahah XD XD Are you saving for anything in particular? I guess, but I can kidna see it that prehaps God was like HUMANS! GO! and then we continued to evolve... does that make sense? Probably not, but admittedly it's not something Ive thought too hard on, And yeah... I really want to Pimpin Wine Hat thingy but... hahaha XD I'm to ADD with my avatar to ever save up enough XD Im so lame XP
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:13 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: i believe in intelligent design too but i DO think it should be tough in school along side evolution after all u dont have to believe it was Jesus (thought it WAS) it could have been an alien someone would argue, but the idea that some large thing made us is scienctific u know. Also i dont think the part about us coming from monkeys is true or whatever u call those big foot looking things. I mean God clearing says he made man from dirt and woman from man, there was no period of years our time or his where we ran around earth being savages before becoming human. Intelligent design is not a science. There is no scientific evidence to support it, therefore it cannot be taught in science classes. There is no evidence of a higher being, and no evidence contradicting a higher being. Religion is a separate entity from science. Sidenote: If you don't believe we evolved from apes, then what do you believe in? (off topic: I love your outfit, Liz.) I highly disagree. There is much evidence. Like the fine-tuned universe, irreducible complexities, conscience, the teleological proof, the ontological proof, information in the DNA, the cosmological constant, and the probability exceeds the chance of it ever happening in the universe by itself. Also, the genes that are different from us and apes have almost nothing to do with anatomy. Why does it seem strange that a creative creator would use some of the same materials in different creatures. A side walk is not a cement wall, but they are both cement. It doesn't mean that the side walk evolved into a wall.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:28 pm
Quote: I highly disagree. There is much evidence. Like the fine-tuned universe, irreducible complexities, conscience, the teleological proof, the ontological proof, information in the DNA, the cosmological constant, and the probability exceeds the chance of it ever happening in the universe by itself. Also, the genes that are different from us and apes have almost nothing to do with anatomy. Why does it seem strange that a creative creator would use some of the same materials in different creatures. A side walk is not a cement wall, but they are both cement. It doesn't mean that the side walk evolved into a wall. It's evidence, it's just not scientific evidence. And what I mean by scientific evidence is that you can't look at all the information and say "It's too unlikely to have simply formed by coincedince, therefore a higher being must have created it." That's logical, but it's not science and it can't be taught in science classes. It's a speculation, and it's not testable. And if it can't be tested, it's not really widely acceptable in the scientific community regardless of the fact that it's religion. Schools should be taught the objective facts on evolution. They don't need to be exclusively taught that it all happened by a huge coincedince, and they certainly don't need to be taught that it happened via a higher being. Evolution is science, intelligent design is not science. That's all I really have to say. If you disagree, then fire away, but also keep in mind separation of church and state.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:38 pm
first of all i dont think u have to be religious to believe in intelligent design u could think aliens made us or something so it doesnt mess with church and state and who says church and state is a good thing??? I think it has its down sides for sure.
Also u asked what i think we came from, i believe animals may have evolved or whatever and the planet did as God made it at a speed that was slow for us but fast for him. I dont believe he made us from an animal though of course not and YESH i do believe man came from DIRT acutal dirt b/c the bible says so and i believe if God is divine then he kept his word divine and didnt let anyone change it in a way he didnt aprove of so it is still true to its word today or he would have interviend b/c he can and if he cant then he's not really a God i guess and we're all outa luck for believe in him. Since he IS God though and his word is truth he said man was from dirt and his breath and woman from man's bones and that's what i believe that's what i truely KNOW. (if u think thats dumb fine but have some respect and dont be rude enough to state something like b/c i think beyond offending me it would hurt God's feelings too)
evolution happening to earth and animal i think coulda happened but i truely know we came from dirt, god's breath and man's bones if ur a gurl because he told us so.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:07 pm
Quote: first of all i dont think u have to be religious to believe in intelligent design u could think aliens made us or something so it doesnt mess with church and state and who says church and state is a good thing??? I think it has its down sides for sure. You have to believe in a higher power to believe in intelligent design. For almost everyone, a higher power means at least one god or goddess. It's nearly impossible that aliens intelligently guided evolution. The earth is billions of years old. Life has been on it for an awful long time. And, if aliens had the technology to essentially play God and create and manipulate life, why would they do that for millions of years without anyone's knowledge and then just abandon their creation? Unless you think there are aliens walking around the earth and just don't know it. But that's not intelligent design. That's paranoia. Yes, separation of church and state has a couple downsides. Mostly for religious people. But the upsides outnumber the downsides. The most important one being that separation of church and state preserves our freedom of religion. That freedom which all Christians should hold very dear to their hearts. That's the freedom we were trying to get by coming to America in the first place. Plus, it's the law. Whether it's a good idea or not, it's illegal to go against it. Quote: Also u asked what i think we came from, i believe animals may have evolved or whatever and the planet did as God made it at a speed that was slow for us but fast for him. I'm not sure if this is technically intelligent design, but I don't know the technical definition so I can't really say. I understand where you're coming from, but I have a question. What do you think about the remains of the Australopithicus, Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus, etc.? Ape bones mistaken for early human remains, God experimenting with the human form, or something else? Quote: I dont believe he made us from an animal though of course not and YESH i do believe man came from DIRT acutal dirt b/c the bible says so and i believe if God is divine then he kept his word divine and didnt let anyone change it in a way he didnt aprove of so it is still true to its word today or he would have interviend b/c he can and if he cant then he's not really a God i guess and we're all outa luck for believe in him. Since he IS God though and his word is truth he said man was from dirt and his breath and woman from man's bones and that's what i believe that's what i truely KNOW. (if u think thats dumb fine but have some respect and dont be rude enough to state something like b/c i think beyond offending me it would hurt God's feelings too) Well, what I meant when I said that we're obviously not made of dirt is just that if you pick up a handful of dirt then compare it to your arm it's not the same. It's a fact that we're complex creatures made up of various organ systems, which are made up of tissues, which are made up of cells, which are made up of organelles in cytoplasm within a cell membrane, which are all made up of molecules, which are made up of atoms, which are made up of a nucleus and electrons circling it, and the nucleus is made up of protons and sometimes neutrons. BUT (now here's where it gets tricky)... no one can really say that God did not shape us out of clay (dirt, I think the actual passage says clay. But it's all really the same stuff, so I don't have a point) and breathe life into us and by His divine power we became functioning organisms. And that God took man's rib and shaped woman from that. And also, the Earth is made up of elements. Such as you can find on the periodic table. And the elements that make up humans are also the elements that make up dirt. So there's another way of looking at it. Quote: evolution happening to earth and animal i think coulda happened but i truely know we came from dirt, god's breath and man's bones if ur a gurl because he told us so. I admire your faith, but taking the entire bible literally just isn't for me. If you know what I mean. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:07 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: first of all i dont think u have to be religious to believe in intelligent design u could think aliens made us or something so it doesnt mess with church and state and who says church and state is a good thing??? I think it has its down sides for sure. You have to believe in a higher power to believe in intelligent design. For almost everyone, a higher power means at least one god or goddess. It's nearly impossible that aliens intelligently guided evolution. The earth is billions of years old. Life has been on it for an awful long time. And, if aliens had the technology to essentially play God and create and manipulate life, why would they do that for millions of years without anyone's knowledge and then just abandon their creation? Unless you think there are aliens walking around the earth and just don't know it. But that's not intelligent design. That's paranoia. Yes, separation of church and state has a couple downsides. Mostly for religious people. But the upsides outnumber the downsides. The most important one being that separation of church and state preserves our freedom of religion. That freedom which all Christians should hold very dear to their hearts. That's the freedom we were trying to get by coming to America in the first place. Plus, it's the law. Whether it's a good idea or not, it's illegal to go against it. Quote: Also u asked what i think we came from, i believe animals may have evolved or whatever and the planet did as God made it at a speed that was slow for us but fast for him. I'm not sure if this is technically intelligent design, but I don't know the technical definition so I can't really say. I understand where you're coming from, but I have a question. What do you think about the remains of the Australopithicus, Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus, etc.? Ape bones mistaken for early human remains, God experimenting with the human form, or something else? Quote: I dont believe he made us from an animal though of course not and YESH i do believe man came from DIRT acutal dirt b/c the bible says so and i believe if God is divine then he kept his word divine and didnt let anyone change it in a way he didnt aprove of so it is still true to its word today or he would have interviend b/c he can and if he cant then he's not really a God i guess and we're all outa luck for believe in him. Since he IS God though and his word is truth he said man was from dirt and his breath and woman from man's bones and that's what i believe that's what i truely KNOW. (if u think thats dumb fine but have some respect and dont be rude enough to state something like b/c i think beyond offending me it would hurt God's feelings too) Well, what I meant when I said that we're obviously not made of dirt is just that if you pick up a handful of dirt then compare it to your arm it's not the same. It's a fact that we're complex creatures made up of various organ systems, which are made up of tissues, which are made up of cells, which are made up of organelles in cytoplasm within a cell membrane, which are all made up of molecules, which are made up of atoms, which are made up of a nucleus and electrons circling it, and the nucleus is made up of protons and sometimes neutrons. BUT (now here's where it gets tricky)... no one can really say that God did not shape us out of clay (dirt, I think the actual passage says clay. But it's all really the same stuff, so I don't have a point) and breathe life into us and by His divine power we became functioning organisms. And that God took man's rib and shaped woman from that. And also, the Earth is made up of elements. Such as you can find on the periodic table. And the elements that make up humans are also the elements that make up dirt. So there's another way of looking at it. Quote: evolution happening to earth and animal i think coulda happened but i truely know we came from dirt, god's breath and man's bones if ur a gurl because he told us so. I admire your faith, but taking the entire bible literally just isn't for me. If you know what I mean. sweatdrop I think the universe screams out the creativity and intellegence of God. The beauty of the universe. When I look in the sky I just think "God you are amazing." I believe we were created how the Bible says it, literally. But it doesn't matter to me how he created us. He did, and that is all I really care about.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:42 pm
Imotoku I think the universe screams out the creativity and intellegence of God. The beauty of the universe. When I look in the sky I just think "God you are amazing." I believe we were created how the Bible says it, literally. But it doesn't matter to me how he created us. He did, and that is all I really care about.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:03 pm
yesh isnt it wonderful that he made us??? mrgreen mrgreen mrgreen heart heart
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:23 pm
Look, we are not desendants of apes or monkeys (w/e), we have been created by God, and in His Own Image, He didn't make apes or monkeys in His Own Image, he made us humans in His Own Image, so it is impossible for the theory of evolution to be true.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:07 pm
A few things: One, where does it say that apes weren't made in God's image? Second, that's even an argument. I can imagine parallel between what you said, and walking into a room and saying "Hey guys, I can jump five feet in the air, end of canversation." It's possible, but not likely. And last, how can you prove that God created humans? There's not a lot of evidence.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:20 pm
Dr. Kool A few things: One, where does it say that apes weren't made in God's image? It says that Man was made in God's image. Apes =/= Man .∙. Apes =/= the Image of God.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:29 pm
Quote: Look, we are not desendants of apes or monkeys (w/e), we have been created by God, and in His Own Image, He didn't make apes or monkeys in His Own Image, he made us humans in His Own Image, so it is impossible for the theory of evolution to be true. I think you're trying to make evolution on the same page as creationism, but it just doesn't work. And now, watch while I overextend an analogy. God is an artist. His medium is clay. He makes small things at first, then larger things with more structure. Pretty soon he's on a roll. He makes big lizard things, but He decides to smush them for whatever reason. He likes the small furry things, so He makes more. Then He makes bigger ones, and even more different kinds. Then He makes a kind He really likes. He sees something special in it, but it's not quite right. He keeps making more, and then He decides that He sort of likes the form so he keeps half the batch and works on them a little. But He starts to focus on the other half. He works on them a lot, He fine tunes them. He loved this creation a lot, so He decided to bake it. But when He bakes the clay, it cracks. (Okee now here's where the analogy gets a little non-sensical) But now that the clay has been baked, He can no longer shape it. The clay has to soften itself to let Him mold it. So anyway, blah blah blah. Now there are a lot of clay people (God the artist's favorite creation). But they're all hard, and they won't soften to let Him fix their cracks. So He makes a clay creation of Himself, and it's perfect. It doesn't crack when He bakes it. Instead of breaking the many imperfect clay creations, He breaks the perfect one. Whew. sweatdrop That was quite an overextension. But you see, God doesn't have to make apes in God's image for evolution to work. I mean, if you're going to throw science out the window and just go on the bible (which is legitimate, since this is a Christian guild), the fact that God didn't make animals in His image (or give them souls, which I believe He did, but still) doesn't disprove evolution.
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