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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:40 pm

blaugh Moi, it is okay. I love the rant, most of it is very well desriptive. I'm impress, it has been a while since I have a debate but we are more likely stating our opinion so it isn't a debate.

Clothing is awesome, but that glump around the mid-section makes him look fat... xp

Sasuke may be good for his growth but he is still being a statue of depression for Naruto. sweatdrop And also determination, but I'm just being stubborn for the moment.

...That is my opinion. We can have a Naruto debate if you want. I tend to be the most boring debater because a lot of people starts leaving the topic I wrote on. LOL! xd

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:40 pm

dang it the next like 5 episodes are fillers >.<

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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:17 pm

Hmmm..I sat and read a lot of the things that have been discussed and just thought I would add my two cents in for the heck of it. I'm sorta picky when it comes to Naruto, series and character.
But don't get me wrong, anything that I don't point out, I do agree with fully. These are just my opinions, take them as you want.

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I think that Ive already shared my opinion on the whole "filler" thing. None of the episodes I believe is a filler. The show is called Naruto. Which means its about Naruto, and his journey through life to become an aknowledged Ninja, and the Hokage. So all the Episodes are important to Naruto. So there you go.

Well... They technically are fillers. Yes the show is about him but the filler episodes were never in the manga, nor does Kishimoto even like them. They do indeed show possible side adventures of his three month wait to begin training with Jiraiya, but it was only so because they had to wait for the manga to get ahead again. But the fillers are alright, just a bit annoying at times. I still watch them though.

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If you look closely at his eyes, he looks like he has bags under them... I want to damn Sasuke for the damage he has caused.

Sasuke didn't nessesarily cause them.. I honestly think it to be just a slightly different drawing style (because everyone has "the tired" look).

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It is not that bad of a thing... It just makes him look fat, making me suspicious of what is Jiraiya is feeding the boy. That was first expression... During the Grass mission, he had taken his shirt off before. He has a builded body, which I was glad. I didn't really want to kill Jiraiya... yet...

You gotta remember, Naruto is only 15. He still has a hint of baby fat on him (and being a growing boy, he probably does eat a lot). He's also a ninja who trains hard, so with the builded body that you stated before, he isn't going to look really thin. And it still goes back to the art style. No one in the series is remarkably thin, even the girls.

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And of course he feels bad for, in his mind, letting sakura down. He feels that by not getting Sasuke when he had the chance he let her down. Which isnt the deal at all.

True but don't forget, it's not just because he made the "promise of a lifetime" to her, but he really does care for Sasuke as well, him being one of his first bonds. He said so during the fight. If Sasuke didn't mean that much to him on a personal level, he wouldn't get sad when thinking about how he left.

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And thats all that matters in their mind. And of course Naruto is going ot have more mature thoughts about girls. I mean, he is Naruto, and he is a teenager.

I guess so, but remember how he told Sakura that she still looked the same even though she OBVIOUSLY tried to point out her new assets. XD
He may be a tad more perverted, but I doubt it's by much, reguardless of age. It just seems that recently, he doesn't have time to think about that kind of stuff as much.

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Its bad, Naruto got depressed and thats never a good thing. Its painfull to see him like that. BUT If Sasuke wouldnt have done any of this in his entire life, get that, Naruto wouldnt be who is is at the time. He couldnt be strong and on the path to hokage. In a way, Sasuke made Naruto who he is.

Eh? Sasuke has almost nothing to do with how Naruto acts now(besides slight depresion as stated before). Naruto has always been following the path to being Hokage, even before he met the boy. I would have to say Sasuke's influence has only made Naruto value his frienships more, as well as sympathize with others who have lost someone important to them.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:28 pm

You make some very good points. And Im really not going to mess with the other quotes. Im only going pick with mine. Because It seems you missed what I was saying in a few of them. No offense at all to you, I could have explained them better maybe, but Im just going to make where I stand clear for the heck of...I just do.

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Well... They technically are fillers. Yes the show is about him but the filler episodes were never in the manga, nor does Kishimoto even like them. They do indeed show possible side adventures of his three month wait to begin training with Jiraiya, but it was only so because they had to wait for the manga to get ahead again. But the fillers are alright, just a bit annoying at times. I still watch them though.

You have to realize, that yes, he may not like them. No they werent Intended from the beginning, and yes, its annoying that its been so long. But look at it this way, they are important to his character, they may be classified as fillers, but each mission makes him stronger, and thats why they made episodes out of them. And not just pointless eating days.

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True but don't forget, it's not just because he made the "promise of a lifetime" to her, but he really does care for Sasuke as well, him being one of his first bonds. He said so during the fight. If Sasuke didn't mean that much to him on a personal level, he wouldn't get sad when thinking about how he left.

Its not only because of that, but what Im getting at is the reason he acts more mature around Sakura, one of the reasons that he grew up, was because of that promise he made her. Why do you think that when he got back and Sakura walked into the hospital room and saw the sad look on her face he gave such a bad look. In terms, I believe one of the reasons he became strong, and yes just one of them, [his own reasons aside] is for Sakura.

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I guess so, but remember how he told Sakura that she still looked the same even though she OBVIOUSLY tried to point out her new assets. XD
He may be a tad more perverted, but I doubt it's by much, reguardless of age. It just seems that recently, he doesn't have time to think about that kind of stuff as much.

Hmm, this is a disagreement. You see, Naruto is a boy. And when boys hit a certain age, they start to gain mature feelings towards girls. Naruto has had a crush on Sakura forever it seems, and before they were just young puppy love feelings, but when he comes back, he is older, and has grown up quite a bit. And as growing up, that means he is going to think of Sakura more maturely. And I dont mean pervertedly. Because everyone thinks mature thoughts sometimes, but thats not what I meant. I mean, that he feels more then crush feelings. More of an intense like towards her. But I dont think its love love.

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Eh? Sasuke has almost nothing to do with how Naruto acts now(besides slight depresion as stated before). Naruto has always been following the path to being Hokage, even before he met the boy. I would have to say Sasuke's influence has only made Naruto value his frienships more, as well as sympathize with others who have lost someone important to them

It is unclear how long Naruto has wanted to become hokage. But the reason he wants to be come hokage is so he can be acknowledged. And what have people done his whole life? Acknowledge Sasuke. He was so much better, always made did better then him, and all the girls love him. And he didnt have to do anything. That there, motovated him. Then, after being on a team, its more evident. Naruto stated, that if it wasnt for Iruka then he would be just like Gaara was, and believe it or not, that means his friends. Sasuke and Naruto became best friends and that made him want to fight better, become stronger...To protect his friends. And now that Sasuke is gone, Naruto has done nothing but train, and sure its not just for Sasuke, its to protect himself from the Akatsuki, but mostly, its so he can drag Sasuke back to Konoha and beat some sense into him. He knows that he has been trained by Orochimaru, so he was trained by Jiraiya. And he wouldnt have been motovated to do that, if somebody wasnt there for Naruto to get compared to. So you see my reasons for Sasuke making Naruto who he is. He isnt the only one, there are many other factors. His parents, Kyuubi, Sakura, The Third, and so much more. But Sasuke is another part of it.

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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:47 pm

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You have to realize, that yes, he may not like them. No they werent Intended from the beginning, and yes, its annoying that its been so long. But look at it this way, they are important to his character, they may be classified as fillers, but each mission makes him stronger, and thats why they made episodes out of them. And not just pointless eating days.

Eh...I don't see how they can be THAT important if the episodes aren't cannon. Sure it's fun to see the situations that he might go through during the wait but in the end, it's just not following through with the original story. It's basically like mini animated fanficion to take up time, not just because they just wanted to show him becoming stronger necessarily.

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Its not only because of that, but what Im getting at is the reason he acts more mature around Sakura, one of the reasons that he grew up, was because of that promise he made her. Why do you think that when he got back and Sakura walked into the hospital room and saw the sad look on her face he gave such a bad look. In terms, I believe one of the reasons he became strong, and yes just one of them, [his own reasons aside] is for Sakura.

So that's what you meant... Sorry about that, it just took a bit of
re-wording for me to understand.

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Hmm, this is a disagreement. You see, Naruto is a boy. And when boys hit a certain age, they start to gain mature feelings towards girls. Naruto has had a crush on Sakura forever it seems, and before they were just young puppy love feelings, but when he comes back, he is older, and has grown up quite a bit. And as growing up, that means he is going to think of Sakura more maturely. And I dont mean pervertedly. Because everyone thinks mature thoughts sometimes, but thats not what I meant. I mean, that he feels more then crush feelings. More of an intense like towards her. But I dont think its love love.

True true, about growing up and all. I still believe that not only does he not have time for such things (being that time is running out for getting sasuke AND Akatsuki's advances), but I don't think that his feelings for her are more intense...just different. I agree with what you're saying for the most part.
He's probablycome to terms with the fact that she just simply may or may not have the same feelings for him, but that it's ok that she doesn't. He still cares for her like before, but he doesn't show her outright affection. They treat eachother more like friends. By that I mean that there's more trust (the fact that he told her about the kyuubi) and there's actual teamwork when they fight together. But don't take my opinon the wrong way, I think that if her affections focused on him, he would take up the offer without much hesitation.

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It is unclear how long Naruto has wanted to become hokage. But the reason he wants to be come hokage is so he can be acknowledged. And what have people done his whole life? Acknowledge Sasuke. He was so much better, always made did better then him, and all the girls love him. And he didnt have to do anything. That there, motovated him. Then, after being on a team, its more evident. Naruto stated, that if it wasnt for Iruka then he would be just like Gaara was, and believe it or not, that means his friends. Sasuke and Naruto became best friends and that made him want to fight better, become stronger...To protect his friends. And now that Sasuke is gone, Naruto has done nothing but train, and sure its not just for Sasuke, its to protect himself from the Akatsuki, but mostly, its so he can drag Sasuke back to Konoha and beat some sense into him. He knows that he has been trained by Orochimaru, so he was trained by Jiraiya. And he wouldnt have been motovated to do that, if somebody wasnt there for Naruto to get compared to. So you see my reasons for Sasuke making Naruto who he is. He isnt the only one, there are many other factors. His parents, Kyuubi, Sakura, The Third, and so much more. But Sasuke is another part of it.

It is unknown how long Naruto has had the dream of becoming Hokage. I'll give you that. But Sasuke wasn't THAT well known at the beginning of their childhood. Sasuke was always known as "Itachi's little brother" by most of the villagers for the longest, not because of his actual skill or prowess. And he was just seen as extremely cute by the girls in his classes. Sasuke was just the student who happened to get good grades. But he did have to work hard, as he tried his best to please his father. He only got true recognition AFTER his clan was murdered. Which leaves about a good 8 years before ever Itachi played his part. I believe that during thoes years, Naruto had enough time to figure out what he wanted to do, not because of Sasuke's influence. The boy did help him train, but it was Naruto's dream that kept him going.
When Sasuke left, he was willing to postpone any advancement towards Hokage (going from Genin to Chuunin) for Sasuke's sake. I do agree with you on that. In that way, he somewhat made Naruto who he is.
Sakura...I still don't believe she made him how she is now...but then everyone you meet changes you so I suppose so. Naruto wasn't even aware of the Kyuubi until he was about 12, so I think it hasn't changed his mentality TOO much. He just knows why he was shunned and why Akastuki is interested in him.. And his parents? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:49 pm

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Eh...I don't see how they can be THAT important if the episodes aren't cannon. Sure it's fun to see the situations that he might go through during the wait but in the end, it's just not following through with the original story. It's basically like mini animated fanficion to take up time, not just because they just wanted to show him becoming stronger necessarily.

Ill give you that. No real connection to the main plot. But thats just it. He is getting stronger. And thats just what I see it as.

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Hmm, this is a disagreement. You see, Naruto is a boy. And when boys hit a certain age, they start to gain mature feelings towards girls. Naruto has had a crush on Sakura forever it seems, and before they were just young puppy love feelings, but when he comes back, he is older, and has grown up quite a bit. And as growing up, that means he is going to think of Sakura more maturely. And I dont mean pervertedly. Because everyone thinks mature thoughts sometimes, but thats not what I meant. I mean, that he feels more then crush feelings. More of an intense like towards her. But I dont think its love love.

Yes Its true. He is VERY distracted by things that are spiraling out of control in his life. Things such as, Sasuke and Orochimaru, Kyuubi, and The Akatsuki, coming up on the retrival of Kyuubi. BUT you have to remember, during their down time. What has Naruto done? Besides his training that is going on right now. Usually asking Sakura out. He knows that its more friends. You can tell that its more like Friends going out to have lunch, or dinner, or so, but still. Whether or not he is on a mission, or training, during their down time, he wants to spend it with Sakura.

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It is unknown how long Naruto has had the dream of becoming Hokage. I'll give you that. But Sasuke wasn't THAT well known at the beginning of their childhood. Sasuke was always known as "Itachi's little brother" by most of the villagers for the longest, not because of his actual skill or prowess. And he was just seen as extremely cute by the girls in his classes. Sasuke was just the student who happened to get good grades. But he did have to work hard, as he tried his best to please his father. He only got true recognition AFTER his clan was murdered. Which leaves about a good 8 years before ever Itachi played his part. I believe that during thoes years, Naruto had enough time to figure out what he wanted to do, not because of Sasuke's influence. The boy did help him train, but it was Naruto's dream that kept him going. When Sasuke left, he was willing to postpone any advancement towards Hokage (going from Genin to Chuunin) for Sasuke's sake. I do agree with you on that. In that way, he somewhat made Naruto who he is. Sakura...I still don't believe she made him how she is now...but then everyone you meet changes you so I suppose so. Naruto wasn't even aware of the Kyuubi until he was about 12, so I think it hasn't changed his mentality TOO much. He just knows why he was shunned and why Akastuki is interested in him.. And his parents? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Everything in Naruto's life has affected him. Sakura, Kyuubi. Even if he didnt know Kyuubi was in him. It still affected him. Everyone hated him because of Kyuubi, and when he found out, it just made him feel like he had to be stronger to control it. And yes, his training did halt his dream into becoming hokage. But, he did get stronger, which will help him into becoming it. Thats what Im talking about though. Sasuke being the one that all the girls swoomed for. Naruto, wanted that attention. He wanted to be the guy that got the good grades. No matter what Naruto did, he couldnt be that guy. He could of, but at first, no one believed in him. Until Iruka came along.

So Sasuke has inpacted Naruto's life so much. From the time they were 8, when all the girls loved him. He got the good grades and everyone loved to give him the attention, Naruto wanted to be that. He said so. He admited that he wanted nothing more then to be Sasuke. And that was a lot of his childhood. The reason he became the class clown was for attention. If Sasuke wasnt praised and Naruto ignored, he may be a bit different. A bit, but Naruto is Naruto.

What I mean by his parents is. Naruto still to this day, has no clue who is parents are. Thats got to do something to a kid. Growing up your entire life living on your own. Having no one to kiss that boo boo, or tell you how good your doing in class, or teach you that brand new Jutsu that the family has been wanting to teach you. He never had any of that influence in his life. That would change him. Being parentless. Thats what I meant by his parents inpacting his life.