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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:57 pm
Tiger of the Fire Waters, thats just it. We're not talkign abotu the govenrment. We're talkign about the population itself. The people as well as the govenrment will be of a more conservative mindset then they are now. Theoretically. Actually, the effect Waters is referring to is exactly why losing this election to the Democrats would make it easier for the Republicans to win Presidency in two years; In two years, people will start getting sick of the Democrats. Theoretically. The question is, would you rather hold Congress, or the Presidency? wink I'd rather hold Congress, myself.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:14 pm
COngress, yes. First and formost, the spotlight is mor oen the senate and the president. The president gets the blame for every thing, even though it usialy has to be a joint desition by all branches of the government.
And i can see what waters is talkign abotu now. That doe smake alot of sence. Its not really the fact that the people become more the opposite of the current presidency, its that the one area basicly brings about the same changes, or little change, and the people get bored. Which...makes me think scociety sees elevtions and such as a game... stare Get bored...bring out a new player.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:16 pm
Tiger of the Fire COngress, yes. First and formost, the spotlight is mor oen the senate and the president. The president gets the blame for every thing, even though it usialy has to be a joint desition by all branches of the government. And i can see what waters is talkign abotu now. That doe smake alot of sence. Its not really the fact that the people become more the opposite of the current presidency, its that the one area basicly brings about the same changes, or little change, and the people get bored. Which...makes me think scociety sees elevtions and such as a game... stare Get bored...bring out a new player. It is both good for politics in general to move back and forth between liberal and conservative views, and good for society itself when people do so. And really, what is considered a liberal view now might well be considered a conservative view when we're both ready to retire. The country has been moving towards a more conservative trend. Most likely a more even Congress will be elected this year (closer to half and half) and I wouldn't be suprised to see a more moderate president (of either political party) in 2008. I believe there could be a slight liberal majority in Congress, but it depends on how well the conservative fear tactics work (and they have been working very well so far) if this will happen or not.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:20 pm
I.Am Tiger of the Fire Waters, thats just it. We're not talkign abotu the govenrment. We're talkign about the population itself. The people as well as the govenrment will be of a more conservative mindset then they are now. Theoretically. Actually, the effect Waters is referring to is exactly why losing this election to the Democrats would make it easier for the Republicans to win Presidency in two years; In two years, people will start getting sick of the Democrats. Theoretically. The question is, would you rather hold Congress, or the Presidency? wink I'd rather hold Congress, myself. I think that things work better when one party/political view has a slight majority in Congress and the other holds the Presidency. Usually this seems to balance out things the best. Congress is supposed to work slowly when it is able to (so that more time can be spent making things balanced and fair), and both parties/political views tend to work together when something must happen quickly (like right after 9/11, when many things were done in haste, even if some things might have been done which maybe should have been read a little closer).
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:43 am
WatersMoon110 Tiger of the Fire COngress, yes. First and formost, the spotlight is mor oen the senate and the president. The president gets the blame for every thing, even though it usialy has to be a joint desition by all branches of the government. And i can see what waters is talkign abotu now. That doe smake alot of sence. Its not really the fact that the people become more the opposite of the current presidency, its that the one area basicly brings about the same changes, or little change, and the people get bored. Which...makes me think scociety sees elevtions and such as a game... stare Get bored...bring out a new player. It is both good for politics in general to move back and forth between liberal and conservative views, and good for society itself when people do so. And really, what is considered a liberal view now might well be considered a conservative view when we're both ready to retire. The country has been moving towards a more conservative trend. Most likely a more even Congress will be elected this year (closer to half and half) and I wouldn't be suprised to see a more moderate president (of either political party) in 2008. I believe there could be a slight liberal majority in Congress, but it depends on how well the conservative fear tactics work (and they have been working very well so far) if this will happen or not. With how things ar elooking. We may see a liberal majority in gorvenrmnet. Every one has the "Any one but a republican" attitude. The only democrat I would even think about voting for would be Zell Miller. ALmost all the others, though, who I hear may be runingfor presidency seem to have no plan that would benefit this country. Thats why Bush and Cheney were elected over Kerry and Edwards. They said they had a plan and stuck with it, instead of flopping back and forth.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:29 am
I think it was more because you had the choice between a dumbass and a nutjob. When you look at it like that, i'm not really suprised dumbass came out on top.
I'd really like to see a race where we had at least one good canadate, instead of constantly having to choose the lesser of two evils. Bush Vs Gore, Bush Vs Kerry. They options just suck these days.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:35 pm
Rudi Guliani v. Barack Obama? Condi Rice v. Joe Lieberman? They both sound like my perfect matchups.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:13 am
Tiger of the Fire With how things ar elooking. We may see a liberal majority in gorvenrmnet. Every one has the "Any one but a republican" attitude. The only democrat I would even think about voting for would be Zell Miller. ALmost all the others, though, who I hear may be runingfor presidency seem to have no plan that would benefit this country. Thats why Bush and Cheney were elected over Kerry and Edwards. They said they had a plan and stuck with it, instead of flopping back and forth. Their plan being to make Kerry look like a flip-flopper, yes.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:16 am
MiNdCaNdY I think it was more because you had the choice between a dumbass and a nutjob. When you look at it like that, i'm not really suprised dumbass came out on top. I'd really like to see a race where we had at least one good canadate, instead of constantly having to choose the lesser of two evils. Bush Vs Gore, Bush Vs Kerry. They options just suck these days. I so agree. At this point, I would be so glad to have a good canidate to vote for, it wouldn't matter what party they were running on (assuming it wasn't the American Nazi Party - I am very much Anti-Nazi, no matter what). I kind of like McCain, if he would run again. I also like Powell, but I think he's not going to run ever. I don't like Lieberman, as it turns out, most Democrats don't.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:20 am
WatersMoon110 Tiger of the Fire With how things ar elooking. We may see a liberal majority in gorvenrmnet. Every one has the "Any one but a republican" attitude. The only democrat I would even think about voting for would be Zell Miller. ALmost all the others, though, who I hear may be runingfor presidency seem to have no plan that would benefit this country. Thats why Bush and Cheney were elected over Kerry and Edwards. They said they had a plan and stuck with it, instead of flopping back and forth. Their plan being to make Kerry look like a flip-flopper, yes. Kerry was a flip-flopper hun. He made himself look liek that. "I voted for it before voting against it?" In almost every area of speaking he would tell one group one thing and tell another a diffrent thing. Bush and Cheney on the other hand, sure, they changed their position every now and then, or tried to make them selves look more acceptable to some minority gorup, but thats politics.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:31 am
Tiger of the Fire WatersMoon110 Tiger of the Fire With how things ar elooking. We may see a liberal majority in gorvenrmnet. Every one has the "Any one but a republican" attitude. The only democrat I would even think about voting for would be Zell Miller. ALmost all the others, though, who I hear may be runingfor presidency seem to have no plan that would benefit this country. Thats why Bush and Cheney were elected over Kerry and Edwards. They said they had a plan and stuck with it, instead of flopping back and forth. Their plan being to make Kerry look like a flip-flopper, yes. Kerry was a flip-flopper hun. He made himself look liek that. "I voted for it before voting against it?" In almost every area of speaking he would tell one group one thing and tell another a diffrent thing. Bush and Cheney on the other hand, sure, they changed their position every now and then, or tried to make them selves look more acceptable to some minority gorup, but thats politics. Actually he wasn't. He voted for the Patriot Act (one of the many things he was accused of Flip/Flopping on) like almost all of Congress did, then later (like much of Congress) said that he disagreed with some of the ways it was being used. Every other case where Kerry was accused of "Flip/Flopping", he wasn't. He turned down some military budgets, then later approved BETTER military budgets. He never was for Gay Marriage (but is for Gay Civil Unions). Bush/Cheney however Flip/Flopped all over the reasons for War in Iraq (involved in 9-11/WMDs/um...Saddom beat my daddy?) but that is acceptible?
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:37 am
Men who faug tin those wars are war heros. The war? Vietnam. The war and people he lambasted years before. He claimed to be a hero of that war, even though he years ago said he felt ashamed to have fought in that war.
Bush and Cheney flopping about? What ever? They never claimed sadam had WMDs, they said they had reasons to beleive he did. Turns out he did. 9-11? Perfectly reasonable considering what this war is about. Terrorist and rooting them out where ever they are. Sadam beat y daddy? Never remember Busch claiming that, I remember that being the jokuler reason amongst hard lefists.
Like Mind said. It was either a nut job or what the people veiwd as an a** hole.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:58 am
Tiger of the Fire Men who faug tin those wars are war heros. The war? Vietnam. The war and people he lambasted years before. He claimed to be a hero of that war, even though he years ago said he felt ashamed to have fought in that war. Bush and Cheney flopping about? What ever? They never claimed sadam had WMDs, they said they had reasons to beleive he did. Turns out he did. 9-11? Perfectly reasonable considering what this war is about. Terrorist and rooting them out where ever they are. Sadam beat y daddy? Never remember Busch claiming that, I remember that being the jokuler reason amongst hard lefists. Like Mind said. It was either a nut job or what the people veiwd as an a** hole. Kerry (unlike Bush, I might add) fought in Vietnam. He earned some number of medals for doing so. When he returned to the US, he protested the War, as did many Vietnam vets. Just because he did heroic things for fighting in a war doesn't mean that he isn't ashamed of fighting at all. There isn't an audio clip, but supposedly Bush did say that to a reporter (according to the reporter). That is contested, so who knows? It isn't as though journalists haven't made things up before. And Kerry was a nut job, as well as Bush being an a*****e. I don't like either of them. I wonder if anyone worthwhile will run in '08? I might vote for Cthulhu (why vote for a lesser evil?). I do like that you accidentally mispelled his name "Busch". Like the beer. I'm done. Both canidates totally stunk in 2004 and in 2000. I don't like Bush. I really don't like the War in Iraq, or any of our reasons for going there. I really hope that things get better soon. I don't want either party to have a sizable majority in Congress, because that tends to mess things up royally. I want a Moderate president (or, alternitivly, Cthulhu) in '08. I don't agree with the image of Kerry as a flip/flop (or the commercial that implied he would get all of us eaten by wolves), but I'm done arguing about it. Kerry looks like Mr. Munster anyway.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:24 am
I'm not done. I will be after this though. No, Bush didn't fight in vietnam. But he didn't withhold his militery service records form the public like Kerry did. Bush, on his site, had complete records of his service in the national guard up for view. Kerry had his own words typed up, no officiale documents.
Kerry a hero? Did heroic things? Do oyu know how he got his medals? Kerry obtained one of his metals by a recomendation he made to himself after a grenade went off in a rice barrel. The barrel and the rice obsorbed most of the grenades shock, however, several splinters of wood and rice became lodged under his skin. Doc removed them and told him to go back on duty. Kerry was not a hero by any means. His other medals were obtained for similer injuries. These are insults. Men have done far more to recieve these metals. Men have lost limbs and taken wounds in series areas. With humility they accepted these little trinkets the government gave them, many of whom saying they would have rather given the rest of their bodies. Many of whom saying they deserved no such reward, that they were simply doing there job. Kerry, by the claims of the men he worked with in Veitnam, was fairly arrogant and acted as though he deserved them for what little he actualy did.
Many vets returned to protest, sure, few to none however went on to later claim they were heros for fighting in that war.
The comment about him getting us eaten by wolves should have been obvious. He basicly wanted to disarm our coutry and practicly open our boarders to free immagration.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:29 pm
WatersMoon110 Bush/Cheney however Flip/Flopped all over the reasons for War in Iraq (involved in 9-11/WMDs/um...Saddom beat my daddy?) but that is acceptible? They did not flip-flop on the reasons: They were all reasons that were involved from the beginning of the reasoning process, only the news media only focused on one at a time, making it seem like they thought up new reasons every time an old reason went sour. Also, that's one. Damn. Issue. Even if it's considered a flip-flop, Kerry flip-flopped on everything! I never knew -what- he supported! Except, of course, legalized abortion while claiming to be Catholic which is a big no-no. Kerry also did nothing heroic. I'll just stick with what Pyro said. Personally, I love Bush. There are things I disagree with him on (A great many things, really), but at least I know where he stands. I do not see a single iota of a*****e-ness in him. To me, "a*****e" implies that he does mean things on purpose. What has he done like that? He seems to me like a great guy, and I really hate that so many people hate him because of his political opinions. As I said, the only things I fully agree with him on are abortion and the war in Iraq. I think we need tax cuts too, but that we need to cut down on the services the government gives at the same time, so that we aren't giving away money we don't have. But for the rest of the major issues? I think that "No Child Left Behind" or whatever it's called was an immensely stupid thing to do. I saw the evidence of it when I was tutoring some elementary students and I was appauled. Basically, all kids do in school right now is learn to take standardized tests. I disagree with him on gay marriage. Of course religions should have the right to refuse to marry gays, but the government has no such right to discriminate. I disagree on capital punishment. No crime deserves death, not when you can stop them from commiting crimes in other ways. I disagree on legalized drugs. As long as you're not hurting anyone else, I say, do whatever you like with your body. But just because I disagree with him on all those things does not make him an a*****e, and does not make him a bad person.
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