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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:38 am
Alright. I've fixed what i can find that refered to her previous coloration. If you see anything i've missed PLEASE tell me so i can fix it.
Now i just need to go though and figure out what to do with poision/whatever since she's a dart frog. I also need to decide if i want to change where her guardian found her since, i'm pretty sure, there arent dart frogs of her species in england XD
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:17 pm
Approved! Notes for you: The poison dart thing strikes me as a little odd. I would seriously pick a type of frog that exists in the area the myth is originally from; poison dart frogs are from Central and South America, so it's strange to have a Celtic nixie bear traits of that species. Would also work on tweaking her powers; something more supernatural relating to being the resident spirit of a body of water. Adding on to what she has now, which are all more physical abilities than supernatural/magical. My personal taste: the dangerous man-eater is a tasty concept, and it'd be awesome to see that worked into a little more.... but that is, again, my taste. May not be yours. wink
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:21 pm
Thanks Sosi
could you perhaps elobrate on the 'dangerous man-eater thing you were talking about? (or anyone who know's what she's talking about) I know of a few different things that involve man-eating so i'm curious to know what you are talking about
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:35 pm
Some of the Nixie legends I've read involve them luring people into their ponds and drowning them. Yum yum. Ah, here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix This has also the Scandinavian and German variants on the myth, which is what I'm more familiar with. In this case, if you wanted to bundle them together, I would say that would be fine - while myth-mixing is generally not allowed, in this case it's really just different cultural expressions of the same creature overall. Or not. As you choose. ^^
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:38 pm
ahhh okies. See i know the man-eating ones as Kelpies and there's already a kelpie Fa'e so i didn't want to cross into that.
I'll look into that cause i always liked that part of the myth and if wont cross into other territory i might just have to work on adding in something about that.
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:54 pm
Right, you might want to talk with Karma as a courtesy - see where she stands, what she thinks, etc. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:56 pm
*nods* i'll talk to her about it since i don't want to step on toes
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:36 pm
She could be a man-eater in a different sense xd wink
I do love the sticking to walls, etc. but I'd also like to see you using more of the original nixie appearance and such. You could still have fun by having lily pond leaves and flowers growing out of her hair, always dripping water, and so on. Don't constrain your appearence to just a frog and ignore everything else you can do ^_^
Also, we will prolly need some more info on the world your fa'e and guardian come from. Even if it's Earth, we'd need to know where and how the fa'e was raised...
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:41 pm
I've added some more powers to her list, one being the man eating in a sense, and a few others. I'm waiting on another PM back from Karma about Marlow being able to confuse people with music since Arkie has the abality also.
*nods* I'm still working on her exact appearance. The general base for it is what i've got up but i can always add decoration to it as i go along. I was more worried about getting what she is/was down than how she looked.
Working on the back story with the Green Man and about where she grew up after being re-born is my next big project. So after i get those written up i will have to ask for another stamp since they are big changes/additions
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:12 pm
OKAY OH MAN I REALLY LIKE THIS CONCEPT
In the future, though, please try to get all the revamps done before asking for a stamp? It's fine to go "HEY GUYS, how does this look so far? I'm worried about her abilities hoigdhroihder" but it kind of seems pointless to go through a lot of work making everything is A-ok (that is, by stamping the concept we're basically saying "YOU CAN ENTER THIS AS-IS" and so on) when you're planning on doing more work anyway and asking for another stamp. I don't mean to sound like I'm scolding you, I'm sure you didn't realize. XD
Ok! So! Mar! ........well, not much is up on her current appearance, but I LIKE LONG FINGERS AND TOES.
I like the hearing of frog songs too =D That's cute!
I like all her other abilities -- pending approval from Karma, I think the entrancing-by-music works well for her -- but admittedly I am not too sure of what I think about her water abilities. I guess it's because it doesn't really make much sense to expand her power over all freshwater water -- a Nixie is a guardian of one pond or river, I don't think this should change after she's reborn. So though her pond might be gone, maybe for her toddler quest (even if it's just an unspoken "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED FOR HER TODDLER STAGE" if you get her as a Lost Child) she was to be built a pond, and somehow fill it with 'her' water. Then she can control 'her' water -- so if the fishbowl was filled with water from her pond, she can control THAT, and so on. Does that make sense?
Another note about the music-playing abilities: does this always happen? Even if she's practicing the reed flute, or playing a really horrible song, will it still have the same effect on people? Maybe you can make it so she has to know certain songs or combinations of notes, which she learns.. somehow.
"To sustain her self away from her pond Marlow has to take energy from other people. This means that she must consume a person whole when her energy begins to wain. She does this by luring someone to her and drowning them. She does not require a body of water to do this. She can kiss someone and though her magic fill their lungs with water. At persent she is not able to control this ability and will not kiss anyone unless she needs to consume them. To do this she shifts momentarily in appearence and gain's a new set of teeth in her mouth. This change lets her eat a body hole, bones and all, leaving no trace of her victim. Marlow does not like to admit to this and tries to keep it hidden from everyone, even her father. "
This whole thing.. Well, I like the concept, and it's definitely a step in the right direction, but for a single weakness -- her having to eat to survive -- you're suddenly adding what seems to be 3 new abilities? The ability to fill a person's lungs with magic water, the ability to shift momentarily in appearance, and the ability to consume a person whole. I think maybe you should just keep it to drowning, she has to drown the person in her pond to get their energy so that she can leave her pond.
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:11 pm
With the water thing, that's why i made a note that she doesn't know how to do it yet. It should technically be 'her' water but since her pond was completely destroyed she can't have control over that anymore. I could either use it as a future quest, or as a back quest thing, that she finds 'her' pond somewhere but that defeats the purpose of her having to eat people (which i am REALLY fond of) to survive. Anyway, back on track. At the point of being found as a Lost Child (or being born a 2nd Gen) she wont be able to control water, that will be something that either happens, or doesn't, as she is Rped.
It doesn't always happen. I tried to write out the exceptions but it's a little hard to get everything in there. With the reed flute it's more of a, well, bardic (best way i can explain it) thing as if she's playing people will just have a natural desire to listen. So if she was just playing junk or something it wouldn't have an affect but if she's actually playing it just draws people. Like if you're just walking around and you hear really pretty music you get curious and want to go find the source to listen.
The exception to this is the violin. Since playing the violin is how she lures her victims (i took this directly from legend. The Scandanivian male version of the Nixie plays the violin to lure women to him). She only plays the violin when practicing (she has a sound profed practice room in Geoffrey's house). She is terrified of the fact that she eats people so she won't play the violin where people can here her unless she needs to feed.
As for the drowning thing. I could do that, but like i said at this point (were she brought in as a Lost Child) her pond is not in existence. So i could easily change it to she has to bring the person to a body of water to drown them. Though i would REALLY like to keep the fact that she has to consume a person whole (i am just really attached to her having 'issues' over having killed people since her personality is really nice and sweet). I could nix the shape changing and just make it that her teeth are designed in a way to crunch bone (cause really frog's done have teeth so since she's already got those i would think it would be alright to change it a little since part of her 'myth' does involve Kelpies and while i am trying to stay away from them for Karma's sake she didn't have Arkie eating people so i didn't think that would step on toes to borrow that part of that mythos). So i can easily nix the things i added to aid her in killing people.
did all that make sence?
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:26 pm
Is it possible that she can be 'adopted' by a new pond or river, or did you want to make her sort of literally a lost child without a pond? If that's the case, I think there should be in fact more major setbacks considering she's now lacking what is supposed to be her major source of power.
Which I can see you're trying to do by making her required to eat people, I.. I don't know. T__T;; When they log on, I'll ask some of the other Quester Staff about this. I've checked out all of the sources you've listed, and I realize what Sosi posted up there, but nothing I saw claims that Nixies could or ever did consume people (especially since you wanted to base her on a frog...) Granted, I realize there was never anything concrete about why they drowned people and this could very well give her motivation, but... hm. Well, I'll think about it for a while.
If you can link me to something that explicitly states they ate people, though, that would help a lot!
(The music explanation was good and was otherwise satisfactory, thank you 3nodding )
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:01 pm
I know i read somewhere about Nixie's eating people after drowning them but i am not sure if i can find a refrence for it. It could have been in a book a read as a child. Though i will look in my Arther Spiderwick book of i haven't packed it up yet. So it might kinda be how i took the spirits drowning people since many of the spirits aren't considered 'evil' or anything.
I intended for her to be forever lost without a pond. With the back story of the spirit she was before she died she was suppose to have been killed completely. I have it that the Green Man doted on her and 'Mother' (which is basically the spirit of the planet) was jealous and took away her pond to kill her and spite the Green Man. Since the Green Man doted on her he wanted a way to save her and managed to keep a bit of her spirit alive and, since i wrote this for the Lost Child contest basically, when the 'Lost' Fa'e were called into creation the Green Man took the chance and used it as a way to bring her back. So she is not meant to ever have her pond back. She could, possible in later stages as she grows, gain enough power to get a pond back but i at this point never intended for her to have a pond.
I would have no problem's making her physically weaker because of it as i intended (i know i mentioned it somewhere) for her to gradually get weaker as times goes on between meals. Also, since they are magicial beings, there could be a 'magicial' way for her to devour someone rather than physically eating them if her being able to physically eat them is a problem. Either way, she gets rather weak and sick the longer she doesnt eat (this starts about a week or so after a meal but it takes a few months to get REALLY bad) so that is in there.
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:33 pm
I am still waiting for the others to log on so I can talk to them, but here is some interesting information about Nixies I found (up to you whether or not you want to incorporate any of them!) On this page, a little ways down, it reads: Quote: Nixies also inhabited German rivers, and could be dangerous. "From time to time nixies would emerge from the Saal River," wrote the Brothers Grimm, "and go into the city of Saalfeld where they would buy fish at the market. They could be recognized by their large, dreadful eyes and by the hems of their skirts that were always dripping wet. It is said that they were mortals who, as children, had been taken away by nixies, who had then left changelings in their place." I did find one reference to Nixies eating human flesh -- here, just search for nixies -- but I don't think this would be a valid source as it appears to be a bestiary for a D&D type game :C Here is a more credible source, though: Quote: Tales of voracious mermaids and nixies, who would lure sailors to the depths or rocky shoals to be eaten, exist around the world. Harpies, likewise, are common themes. Men-eating nixies seem to be an exception and not a rule though. (maybe she was a pirahna nixie??)
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:23 am
i think i failed to mention it on the front page for i do intent for Marlow's clothing to be wet around the edges. That's a VERY common thing about Nixies when they emerge from their pond for whatever reason. I believe the most common way female nixies are depicted dresswise is a white dress that has a wet and dirty hem.
I remember coming across that D&D like link and didn't think it would be acceptable because it's from a game and not from a historical esc source.
I would think (could be wrong but i'm allowed to think) that although i do basically have her appearance as a frog that i could make some small chances to that since her being a frog is just my own interpretation taken from everything i've read. Most of the examples of what Nixies look like are just pretty women or men that live in ponds which is rather borring. I took the frog appearance from how they are drawn in Arthur Spiderwicks book, where he has them drawn as anthropomorphic frogs, and since frog's are a rather common fresh water animal i used that (over using like a turtle or something and using a fish as there's already a mer fa'e)
back to original point of that paragraph, i didn't mean for there to really be any connection between her appearance and the flesh eating. Since she is a magical being just because she looks, and has some advantages, of a frog doesn't mean that she is completely frog.
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