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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:41 pm
La Fantome de le opera BevinKB Jusy That was a good rant piece. xd My only guess now is that the people who started this whole fop business way back saw a very flamboyant actor playing Raoul. Eh? Eh? OK, maybe I'm just being silly, but it could happen. whee *snort* Just guess who was originally planned to be Raoul in the AWL musical? None other than Micahel Crawford himself but then destiny had other plans with him. xd M-Michael C-Crawford would have been....Raoul? THANK YOU FATE!! Read The Raoul StoryYou won't be disappointed!
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:51 pm
chichirismuse I personally don't think it's fair to attack Raoul that way. He can't help his upbringing. He didn't ASK to be born a Vicomte. No, but he probably seriously preferred it to being a street urchin or beind dead. Sorry, that just rminded me of those kids who say "I didn't ASK to be born, you know," when asked to take out the trash. I simply couldn't resist.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:16 pm
BevinKB La Fantome de le opera BevinKB Jusy That was a good rant piece. xd My only guess now is that the people who started this whole fop business way back saw a very flamboyant actor playing Raoul. Eh? Eh? OK, maybe I'm just being silly, but it could happen. whee *snort* Just guess who was originally planned to be Raoul in the AWL musical? None other than Micahel Crawford himself but then destiny had other plans with him. xd M-Michael C-Crawford would have been....Raoul? THANK YOU FATE!! Read The Raoul StoryYou won't be disappointed! Sorry to disappoint you, but that story was vastly embellished by Crawford for the sake of comedy. He could have thought he was going to play Raoul at some point, but the rest is a product of MC's great comedic sense. A few examples; Webber had only just conceived of the idea for Phantom at the time Starlight Express previewed. It took almost another year of writing and cycling through other casting choices before Webber even approached Michael Crawford, which he did after a music lesson (Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman shared a vocal coach, and Webber first overheard him singing there). For another thing, Raoul was the very last of the leads to be cast and as far as I know, his part was never conceived as anything close to Michael Crawford's voice type.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:50 pm
La Fantome de le opera BevinKB Jusy That was a good rant piece. xd My only guess now is that the people who started this whole fop business way back saw a very flamboyant actor playing Raoul. Eh? Eh? OK, maybe I'm just being silly, but it could happen. whee *snort* Just guess who was originally planned to be Raoul in the AWL musical? None other than Micahel Crawford himself but then destiny had other plans with him. xd M-Michael C-Crawford would have been....Raoul? THANK YOU FATE!! I second that. His Phantom blows me away, but I can't see him as Raoul. Would Colm Wilkinson have been Phantom then, though? I know not everyone likes his Phantom, but I'm Canadianized so I love all Canadianized actors! xd OK, maybe not all of them but you get the point...
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:48 pm
PhantomoftheFox I'm trying to, but they never want to listen. welcometomyhell, I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make there. Are you trying to say that Erik knew Raoul was a fop because he saw him dressed nicely once at the opera, and because of something that hadn't even happened yet in a completely different version? I'll readily admit that Erik in Leroux certainly knew more about Raoul than the poor boy realized, but in that version Erik never calls him a fop. And yes, pretty much every character has some irrational bias against another but my point is, are any of them true? ~Think I would die~
You miss my point. Erik did not know that Raoul was a fop (which, for the record, he isn't, despite his wealth), but it is what he assumed. And yes, Erik never called Raoul a fop in the Leroux version, but as ALW is the much more common version of any PotO tale, the notion of Raoul being a fop spread like wildfire.
Irrational bias are just what they are: irrational. Whether you can get past them or not is the real question.
~If you were to ignore me~
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:28 pm
I saw the stage version of Phantom of the Opera. Raoul is not a fop in this version. It is the charecterization that the actor playing Raoul in the Movie gives that has caused people to call him a fop. In the stage version he is actually an extreamly strong charecter. (Although I am and always will be a Phantom Phan biggrin
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:41 pm
~Think I would die~
If you were speaking about Patrick Wilson, I would have to disagree. Patrick WIlson's portrayal of Raoul didn't seem foppish at all to me.
~If you were to ignore me~
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:52 pm
Hjesta I saw the stage version of Phantom of the Opera. Raoul is not a fop in this version. It is the charecterization that the actor playing Raoul in the Movie gives that has caused people to call him a fop. In the stage version he is actually an extreamly strong charecter. (Although I am and always will be a Phantom Phan biggrin Random query/annoyance: Why do people who say something non-hateful about Raoul feel the need to immediately suffix is with some form of, "But I still love Erik!/But I'm still a phan!" Did I miss the decree that said liking Raoul makes you less of a phan?
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:56 pm
Oh, I found a good example of a fop! (two of them, actually)
Has anyone heard the song b***h, b***h, b***h! from the 1995 Jekyll and Hyde Concept Cast?
Well, I call it 'The Best Broadway Gossip Song', here's a sampling:
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Man1: Lady Posleweight
Woman: God, she's put on weight
Man2: Gives you more to hate
Woman: Mean old b***h
Man1: Lady Leopold
Man2: Looking really old
Woman: Poor sir Leopold
Man2: She's a witch
Together: Chic people, unique people and freak(?) people we QUICKLY DITCH!
Man1: Lady Delaware
Woman: Awful colored hair. That's her lover there, with the twitch
Man1: Lord and Lady Biggs
Man2: What a pair of pigs. Wear each other's wigs
Together: Itch, itch itch!
---
Raoul doesn't sing about fashion or gossip or is obviously full of himself. These three are. There's your fop! 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:15 pm
PhantomoftheFox Random query/annoyance: Why do people who say something non-hateful about Raoul feel the need to immediately suffix is with some form of, "But I still love Erik!/But I'm still a phan!" Did I miss the decree that said liking Raoul makes you less of a phan? In my case, it's so people don't think that I'm partial to Raoul. I don't really like him, but I'm not a basher either. I think you're reading it wrong. In her case, I think she meant that she liked Erik better than Raoul. The whole thing is just a clarification. Not exactly meant as an annoyance.
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:12 pm
That wasn't directed entirely at Hjesta... I've noticed a surprising number of other people saying similar things that definitely weren't mishead, that comment in particular just brought it to mind.
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:00 pm
I think it's the mindset that if you like one side, you can't like the other. They're putting it in Black & White when there's really just a whole lot of shades of grey between the ultimate monochromatic duo. Thus they think if you stick up for Raoul, then you don't like Erik. Vice versa.
Personally, I love Raoul. Hell, I'd choose him over Erik any day because it's more sensible. Doesn't mean I hate Erik. In fact, I sleep with him. (okay, it's a plush toy, but you get the idea folks) When appropriate I might show a slight favor to one or the other, but I don't jump from side to side when I so please.
Here, you can have your cake and eat it too, and then have a second slice.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:41 am
|You have just been punjabbed|
Like me: I'd rather have sociopathic, musically-inclined Erik, but I see exactly why Christine went with Raoul- it was a helluva a lot safer to be .
And is it odd of me to say that I can see Michael Crawford as a rather fitting Raoul? (Please do not stone me.)
|Have a nice day!|
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:59 pm
BevinKB 1. Has to be rich 2. The hair 3. And as a "slave of fashion" That's my reason
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:33 pm
What makes Raoul a fop? Nothing, as far as I know. He isn't a fop. People just call him one, for some reason....I wonder whose idea it was to start calling him a fop *ponders*
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