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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:33 pm


CJHeth
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Simply stated, I'm not understanding of why humans are so astounded by death... why it interests them so...


Because as much as we know about death, it is still an unknown to many, and people fear that which they cannot know? Because death is mentally tramatic for alot of people to be around, which causes use to feel negatively towards it, and in turn discuss our negative emotions? Because it happens to everyone, which makes it a relatively open point of conversation?

Lots of reasons.



I don't either understand the fascination with death. It's something that happens. We don't know what it was like in our mother's womb, but yet no one seems to care. So why should we care what happens in death?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:14 pm


CJHeth
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Simply stated, I'm not understanding of why humans are so astounded by death... why it interests them so...


Because it happens to everyone, which makes it a relatively open point of conversation?


Like this one?

...meh, I'm heartless... I've been around quite a few deaths... family related mostly... and I admit that there was a certain feeling of ... idk... it's hard to explain... but really, with everyone else freaking out about it... I find that I remain calm... which I suppose means simply that I have no heart.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:24 am


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I just think it's ironic that she killed a hitman...


Weeellll, he was a pretty shody hitman. He'd already been in trouble conspiracy to commit. A good hitman doesn't usually get caught, and if he does, it's certainly not for 'conspiracy to commit'.

Also, a true hitman would probably be using a bit more efficient a weapon than a hammer.
lol Yes, that's true... I was thinking maybe he didn't want to use a better weapon, because a hammer is household, so that way, it might have looked like a suicide, or at least would have left police guessing all the way. confused
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:29 am


Now as for the death bit. I'm not particularly "astounded". If you're just referring to the article, then ok, but as for me, no. That just happened to be in Oregon, and happened to be on the Verizon homepage (just like the woman calling 911 to get the cute cop to come back to her house), so I figure I post it. And once again, I think it's ironic that the target killed the hitman, regardless of his lack of competence.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:56 am


butterflyviolets
I don't either understand the fascination with death. It's something that happens. We don't know what it was like in our mother's womb, but yet no one seems to care. So why should we care what happens in death?


Speaking of death is not necessarily a fascination with death. No one seems to care about the womb because we KNOW what happens in there thanks to science. Science however, cannot explain things like if there is an after life, which causes alot of peoples interest in the subject. Another reason is that due to self-preservation many people fear their coming deaths, and discussing it makes them more comfortable with the topic.

Arakimos
Like this one?

...meh, I'm heartless... I've been around quite a few deaths... family related mostly... and I admit that there was a certain feeling of ... idk... it's hard to explain... but really, with everyone else freaking out about it... I find that I remain calm... which I suppose means simply that I have no heart.


Not everyone who talks about death wigs out about it. I certainly don't see anyone getting overly upset in this thread. It's just another point of conversation. Like any other subject that effects us all. It can be a negative point of conversation but it doesn't have to be anymore than anything else.

Also I doubt your PoV has to do with being around alot of death necessarily, as so have I, including witnessing two men burn to death as a child. This definately did not harden my heart towards death. If anything it made me more aware of the topic of human fragility.


Brother_Ein
lol Yes, that's true... I was thinking maybe he didn't want to use a better weapon, because a hammer is household, so that way, it might have looked like a suicide, or at least would have left police guessing all the way. confused


That's possible, but if he honestly thought that then he really WAS a crappy hitman.

For one, she was obviously a struggler, which means she would have fought him regardless of whether or not he suceeded (This is normal of course, for people to fight for their lives). This would have left marks all over her, giving away it wasn't suicide.

Secondly, I don't think a human being could get enough momentum behind a hammer to crush their own heads (though maybe they could pierce it with the claw since stabby objects need alot less momentum behind them to break flesh). Ultimately though there's alot less painful ways to kill yourself as even the ammount of momentum you'd get with the claw would prolly only be enough to do a minimal ammount of damage and then you would bleed to death. Pills, shooting ones self, or even hanging yourself would probably be easier and quicker.

Thirdly, it's much easier to frame up a suicide with a gun, provided you know where to shoot them (Within a range of somewhere the person COULD shoot themselves. Usually, the sort of a shooting meant to look like suicide is done from the side as it's kind of hard to sneak up on a person and shove your gun in their mouth and it's gonna be hard for someone to shoot themselves in the back of the head.) It's also easier to dispose of a weapon that doesn't have anyone's but your own DNA on it. The bullet can be traced, but there's ways to dispose of the weapon in such a fashion that you won't be caught, or you could, so I hear, alter the chamber.

Basically, while the police force themselves are kind of stupid, forsenic scientists have alot of amazing equipment and technics that help them figure out crimes that leave Gomer Pyle scratching his head. (Which is how I know all this s**t as i'm a bit of a crime solving fangirl <_< >_>

I'm not a hitman! REALLY.).
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:57 am


Arakimos
Like this one?

...meh, I'm heartless... I've been around quite a few deaths... family related mostly... and I admit that there was a certain feeling of ... idk... it's hard to explain... but really, with everyone else freaking out about it... I find that I remain calm... which I suppose means simply that I have no heart.


Not everyone who talks about death wigs out about it. I certainly don't see anyone getting overly upset in this thread. It's just another point of conversation. Like any other subject that effects us all. It can be a negative point of conversation but it doesn't have to be anymore than anything else.

Also I doubt your PoV has to do with being around alot of death necessarily, as so have I, including witnessing two men burn to death as a child. This definately did not harden my heart towards death. If anything it made me more aware of the topic of human fragility.

Whoa, don't go all ED on me now xd

You're right, not everyone freaks out about death... but seein' as death is always on the news definitely shows that people are somewhat fascinated by it... otherwise, nobody would watch the news because they'd realize it was the same thing every day... "someone died, someone died, someone ALMOST died, people played sports, the weather's fine... OH HELL, this just in... SOMEONE DIED! D:"

...not that it's really like that... but you get where I'm comin' from?

...and I'm not quite sure what my PoV is from... but I can guarantee I'd have a better idea than you, 'tis what I think... because the way I react to situations and the way you react to the same situations... can be completely different, as is human nature.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:20 pm


CJHeth
butterflyviolets
I don't either understand the fascination with death. It's something that happens. We don't know what it was like in our mother's womb, but yet no one seems to care. So why should we care what happens in death?


Speaking of death is not necessarily a fascination with death. No one seems to care about the womb because we KNOW what happens in there thanks to science. Science however, cannot explain things like if there is an after life, which causes alot of peoples interest in the subject. Another reason is that due to self-preservation many people fear their coming deaths, and discussing it makes them more comfortable with the topic.




No one knows or not if there is an afterlife because there isn't one. How can science prove something is there, when it isn't. I don't believe that there are spirits, or ghosts or things that haven't moved on. Simply because how can you have something that isn't visible in a body of heart, muscle, brains and tissue. There is no room for a spirit. It's just our brain responding to our bodies.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:51 pm


butterflyviolets
CJHeth
butterflyviolets
I don't either understand the fascination with death. It's something that happens. We don't know what it was like in our mother's womb, but yet no one seems to care. So why should we care what happens in death?


Speaking of death is not necessarily a fascination with death. No one seems to care about the womb because we KNOW what happens in there thanks to science. Science however, cannot explain things like if there is an after life, which causes alot of peoples interest in the subject. Another reason is that due to self-preservation many people fear their coming deaths, and discussing it makes them more comfortable with the topic.




No one knows or not if there is an afterlife because there isn't one. How can science prove something is there, when it isn't. I don't believe that there are spirits, or ghosts or things that haven't moved on. Simply because how can you have something that isn't visible in a body of heart, muscle, brains and tissue. There is no room for a spirit. It's just our brain responding to our bodies.


surprised I heart you heart

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:59 pm


Arakimos
butterflyviolets
CJHeth
butterflyviolets
I don't either understand the fascination with death. It's something that happens. We don't know what it was like in our mother's womb, but yet no one seems to care. So why should we care what happens in death?


Speaking of death is not necessarily a fascination with death. No one seems to care about the womb because we KNOW what happens in there thanks to science. Science however, cannot explain things like if there is an after life, which causes alot of peoples interest in the subject. Another reason is that due to self-preservation many people fear their coming deaths, and discussing it makes them more comfortable with the topic.




No one knows or not if there is an afterlife because there isn't one. How can science prove something is there, when it isn't. I don't believe that there are spirits, or ghosts or things that haven't moved on. Simply because how can you have something that isn't visible in a body of heart, muscle, brains and tissue. There is no room for a spirit. It's just our brain responding to our bodies.


surprised I heart you heart

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:09 pm


You so = teh logical 4laugh

Taht is teh sexeh whee

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[OrangeLust]

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:19 pm


Arakimos
You so = teh logical 4laugh

Taht is teh sexeh whee

Do you think I could be an engineer? I love science.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:26 pm


butterflyviolets
Arakimos
You so = teh logical 4laugh

Taht is teh sexeh whee

Do you think I could be an engineer? I love science.


Haha, 'tis teh possible, methinks... domokun

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[OrangeLust]

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:07 pm


Arakimos
butterflyviolets
Arakimos
You so = teh logical 4laugh

Taht is teh sexeh whee

Do you think I could be an engineer? I love science.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:03 pm


butterflyviolets


No one knows or not if there is an afterlife because there isn't one. How can science prove something is there, when it isn't. I don't believe that there are spirits, or ghosts or things that haven't moved on. Simply because how can you have something that isn't visible in a body of heart, muscle, brains and tissue. There is no room for a spirit. It's just our brain responding to our bodies.


I'm not here to debate whether there IS or ISN'T an afterlife. I'm explaining to you why some people seem so 'fascinated' with death, and that there are a myriad of reasons. I'm not looking for a religious debate, as I find religion to really not be worth debating over, generally speaking.


Arakimos


You're right, not everyone freaks out about death... but seein' as death is always on the news definitely shows that people are somewhat fascinated by it... otherwise, nobody would watch the news because they'd realize it was the same thing every day... "someone died, someone died, someone ALMOST died, people played sports, the weather's fine... OH HELL, this just in... SOMEONE DIED! D:"

...not that it's really like that... but you get where I'm comin' from?


Sort of, but I don't consider discussing death or bringing it up to really be a fascination with it. I find people who are 'fascinated' with death, to be the kind of people that keep dead animals around and s**t like that.

Arakimos
...and I'm not quite sure what my PoV is from... but I can guarantee I'd have a better idea than you, 'tis what I think... because the way I react to situations and the way you react to the same situations... can be completely different, as is human nature.


I was more pointing out death does not necessarily harden ones heart towards it. It could be one of the many contributing factors in your case, but it is not a universal truth. Hence the use of the word " necessarily".

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[OrangeLust]

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:08 pm


I am not so much afraid, or fascinated by death. It is simply there.
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