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 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:27 pm
Don't get me started on Aikido myths...
But one thing IS true. Your joints do get wrecked quite easily in aikido. I don't know any of us in aikido that do not complain of joint issues. I think even sensei does but he just doesn't admit it. My own knees are wrecked, and not only as toughened by calluses, but wrecked as in the tendons. The joint locks are deadly.
The trick is to be able to get into a position where you can perform those locks quickly in the flurry of movements.
As for myths, sensei and I had a discussion about this.
Many people think Aikido is a softer martial arts, one that people take if they don't want anything rigourous. That depends on the teacher. There are ALOT of hippies aikido schools all around that really doesn't teach aikido, But given a right sensei you can train very hard in Aikido. I'm usually sweating it out by the first 10 mins and by 15, we've fogged up the windows.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:45 pm
How about the ones on Brazilian Jiujitsu being street effective? Mind you, I'm an avid student of BJJ... but BJJ is VERY tough to work out on the street. I have ran into countless fanboys who swear by the God Gracie himself, that you can go right from the Dojo to the streets with BJJ. Stuff is just not true. Its painful attempting to slide across the ground executing this and that manuever, at lightening speed on pavement. Not only that, but most street confrontations involve more than one assailant... just not practical in its unmodified state, which rules out ALOT of techniques, ala Vale Tudo.
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:05 pm
Lunaries Don't get me started on Aikido myths... But one thing IS true. Your joints do get wrecked quite easily in aikido. I don't know any of us in aikido that do not complain of joint issues. I think even sensei does but he just doesn't admit it. My own knees are wrecked, and not only as toughened by calluses, but wrecked as in the tendons. The joint locks are deadly. The trick is to be able to get into a position where you can perform those locks quickly in the flurry of movements. As for myths, sensei and I had a discussion about this. Many people think Aikido is a softer martial arts, one that people take if they don't want anything rigourous. That depends on the teacher. There are ALOT of hippies aikido schools all around that really doesn't teach aikido, But given a right sensei you can train very hard in Aikido. I'm usually sweating it out by the first 10 mins and by 15, we've fogged up the windows. Sorry if this causes offense but the only way you would get joint problems whilst training is your own ineptitude. Anyone, whether training or not, should be taking calcium tablets as bone density weakens gradually from around the age of 17 onwards, taking them will delay (depending on your lifestyle, almost negate) the recession of bone density. Secondly, any athletic workout should basicly have a warm up that runs like the following: 1. Light cardio work to engage the cardio-respiratory systems and begin the ATP process. 2. Light movements resembling the core of the workout session (if your body building do the reps with a much lighter weight, if your sparring, shadow box etc) 3. Round one of dynamic stretches comprimising movements in all joint ranges, gentle sets of 12 reps the body over 4. Light cardio work, slightly weighted movement to resemble workout session. Naturally after the body is fully engaged after the above warm up and individual muscle sets are worked up, dynamic stretches can be used to increase movement flexibility. Every workout should end with a session of static flexibility training to facilitate muscle and joint recovery. Training should always be supplemented with the required rest and diet.
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:11 pm
Thunder Foot How about the ones on Brazilian Jiujitsu being street effective? Mind you, I'm an avid student of BJJ... but BJJ is VERY tough to work out on the street. I have ran into countless fanboys who swear by the God Gracie himself, that you can go right from the Dojo to the streets with BJJ. Stuff is just not true. Its painful attempting to slide across the ground executing this and that manuever, at lightening speed on pavement. Not only that, but most street confrontations involve more than one assailant... just not practical in its unmodified state, which rules out ALOT of techniques, ala Vale Tudo. Well I would have thought it would be obvious you wouldn't want to go to the ground anyway. However training in grappling (sprawling etc) makes you far better equipped at dealing with it. Grappling is a natural form, look at the way a child first moves, even two drunk guys in a bar tend to grab and shove (if neither has been KO'd by a chair or a bottle etc) Also, two powerful strikers always end up moving towards a clinch. So whilst in its unmodified "text book" state its not overtly...effective (then again, what is? the whole point of training is to adapt and evolve) its a necesarry skill.
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:16 am
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Vincent Darkholme Bruce-Ganked-Lee But all you guys do IS kick. lol Seriously, though, you have to admit that most of TKD weighs heavily on the kicking aspect. Sure you have schools that incorporate hand techniques, but over-all, TKD is a kicking art. Really? Inall my sparrign matches.... I maybe threw one kick per match. -shrugs- Then I guess you weren't a good TKDist -shrugs- -shrugs- I completey agree with you there.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:01 pm
Jass Well I would have thought it would be obvious you wouldn''t want to go to the ground anyway. However training in grappling (sprawling etc) makes you far better equipped at dealing with it. Grappling is a natural form, look at the way a child first moves, even two drunk guys in a bar tend to grab and shove (if neither has been KO''d by a chair or a bottle etc) Also, two powerful strikers always end up moving towards a clinch. So whilst in its unmodified "text book" state its not overtly...effective (then again, what is? the whole point of training is to adapt and evolve) its a necesarry skill. Oh, by all means.. I fully understand its importance, thus I continue to train in it. I just get tired of the fans boys that believe Dojo grappling alone, will win you fights.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:16 pm
Thunder Foot Jass Well I would have thought it would be obvious you wouldn''t want to go to the ground anyway. However training in grappling (sprawling etc) makes you far better equipped at dealing with it. Grappling is a natural form, look at the way a child first moves, even two drunk guys in a bar tend to grab and shove (if neither has been KO''d by a chair or a bottle etc) Also, two powerful strikers always end up moving towards a clinch. So whilst in its unmodified "text book" state its not overtly...effective (then again, what is? the whole point of training is to adapt and evolve) its a necesarry skill. Oh, by all means.. I fully understand its importance, thus I continue to train in it. I just get tired of the fans boys that believe Dojo grappling alone, will win you fights. I gathered that you understand its importance, I was just generally stating my opinion as the fan boy syndrome is unfortunatly rife in both camps (striking and grappling) It works both ways, Usually I'll have kicked the crap out of someone trying to grapple with me. But, of course there are times where I've found suddenly clinching with someone to subdue them for more effective due to the various factors. As we've all stated before, it's more a question of right tool for the right job rather then sticking to "a favoroute technique" we should all aim to be as adaptable and malleable as possible. Strength within oneself (through hard training, a good concept of strategy, conditioning, technique and of course...experience) is the key here. Also, has anyone here done any training in Roman Greco wrestling?
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:27 am
Jass Sorry if this causes offense but the only way you would get joint problems whilst training is your own ineptitude. Anyone, whether training or not, should be taking calcium tablets as bone density weakens gradually from around the age of 17 onwards, taking them will delay (depending on your lifestyle, almost negate) the recession of bone density. Secondly, any athletic workout should basicly have a warm up that runs like the following: 1. Light cardio work to engage the cardio-respiratory systems and begin the ATP process. 2. Light movements resembling the core of the workout session (if your body building do the reps with a much lighter weight, if your sparring, shadow box etc) 3. Round one of dynamic stretches comprimising movements in all joint ranges, gentle sets of 12 reps the body over 4. Light cardio work, slightly weighted movement to resemble workout session. Naturally after the body is fully engaged after the above warm up and individual muscle sets are worked up, dynamic stretches can be used to increase movement flexibility. Every workout should end with a session of static flexibility training to facilitate muscle and joint recovery. Training should always be supplemented with the required rest and diet. Ah I can't believe I completely missed this post! Sorry! No it doesn't cause offense at all. Actually though I have to modify what you say. Joint problems are not caused by only the uke themselves (the person the technique is being done to) but also by the nage (the person doing the technique). Let me explain in detail. And no it's not a calcium thing. We have people that are personal trainers that practice in our dojo. They eat right (unlike me, unfortunately). It is more of a case of mistakes made in class with joint locking techniques that occurs often in an Aikido class. Let me start from the beginning. In the perfect scenerio of practicing a technique in an Aikido class, the nage first would go maybe at 30% strength, and the uke would go with the technique. There are several reasons for this, and it's almost cyclic why. (1) the person knows what technique is coming and can avoid it. But that's hardly good for the learning process. The point is for the nage to learn and feel out what the technique is like. Resistence is given when the technique doesn't feel right, but when it feels right, the uke goes with the technique. You can usually tell when it's brute force vs going with the flow and maneuvering into the correct positions. (2) because the uke is allowing the nage to successfully complete the technique, the nage has no reason to crank it up, either with strength or speed. However, that is not always the case. In fact, often it is not, especially since we practice with all ranks (so that at times, you might have a black belt practicing with a 5th kyu). It is a mistake, but it is a mistake everyone makes by going too hard suddenly (adrenaline pumping) or the uke not going with the technique (not relaxed enough). That's usually when the joint injuries happen. Yes it results from us not doing things right. But then again, no one gets a technique right on the first try, nor can we practice in the perfect scenario case 100% at a time. Sorry about that, I should have clarified earlier.
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:49 pm
1.) Samurai hated guns, calling them "cowards' weapons".
2.) All Samurai followed a chivalrous code of ethics known as "Bushido".
3.) Suicide was known as "Hara-Kiri".
4.) A samurai was simply someone who followed the bushido code.
5.) All samurai used swords called "Katana".
6.) Ninja were cowardly, mystical assassins whom had a rivalry with the samurai.
7.) There are "modern samurai", such as martial artists.
8.) Kendo was the art of the samurai.
9.) Samurai were always soldiers.
10.) The samurai were wiped out in a hail of gunfire, charging bravely to their demise.
11.) Samurai followed the Emperor with fanatic loyalty.
All of these are wrong, and are misconceptions of the samurai/ninja (same thing...)
If you would like more detail, I'd be happy to share it with you.
(Samurai-archives.com/ten misconseptions of a samurai)
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:12 pm
Speaking of samurais, here are a couple more:
1) Samurai armor is made of bamboo
2) Karateka practiced board breaking so that they can punch through a samurai's armor
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:19 am
Son Hakkai 1.) Samurai hated guns, calling them "cowards' weapons". 2.) All Samurai followed a chivalrous code of ethics known as "Bushido". 3.) Suicide was known as "Hara-Kiri". 4.) A samurai was simply someone who followed the bushido code. 5.) All samurai used swords called "Katana". 6.) Ninja were cowardly, mystical assassins whom had a rivalry with the samurai. 7.) There are "modern samurai", such as martial artists. 8.) Kendo was the art of the samurai. 9.) Samurai were always soldiers. 10.) The samurai were wiped out in a hail of gunfire, charging bravely to their demise. 11.) Samurai followed the Emperor with fanatic loyalty. All of these are wrong, and are misconceptions of the samurai/ninja (same thing...) If you would like more detail, I'd be happy to share it with you. (Samurai-archives.com/ten misconseptions of a samurai) It's not all false. Most samurai did follow their lord with loyalty. And about the charging one, I have one thing to say. Oda Nobunaga. Alot of you're myths arn't actually false, just not as broad as most people would have you believe... so this kinda angers me.
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:53 am
Mirko_Filipovic It's not all false. Most samurai did follow their lord with loyalty. And about the charging one, I have one thing to say. Oda Nobunaga. Alot of you're myths arn't actually false, just not as broad as most people would have you believe... so this kinda angers me. The samurai were "wiped" out, charging into hail of gun fire. This is basicly saying the last of the samurai were killed in 1 last charge. And most samurai did follow their lord with loyalty, but what of the emperor? They did not. And again, all of this are is stating misconseptions of the samurai. They are not myths, misconseptions, mind you this is raw generalization, and it does not ally to ever single samurai ever around. (other than the ninja one)
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:01 pm
Son Hakkai Mirko_Filipovic It's not all false. Most samurai did follow their lord with loyalty. And about the charging one, I have one thing to say. Oda Nobunaga. Alot of you're myths arn't actually false, just not as broad as most people would have you believe... so this kinda angers me. The samurai were "wiped" out, charging into hail of gun fire. This is basicly saying the last of the samurai were killed in 1 last charge. And most samurai did follow their lord with loyalty, but what of the emperor? They did not. And again, all of this are is stating misconseptions of the samurai. They are not myths, misconseptions, mind you this is raw generalization, and it does not ally to ever single samurai ever around. (other than the ninja one) Well actually, the emperor was followed with utmost loyalty. Just he was manipulated. Much in the same way that the later han's emperor was treated.
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:13 pm
...Please God don't make me have to write pages about ninja's and tent governments and s**t....damnit I've wrote so damn much on such topics already...is anybody in this guild ever interested in martial arts?...you know....fitness...strength training...psychology...technique....training programmes etc...
When will the madness end gonk
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:33 pm
Jhun_S nitroglycerin Jhun_S nitroglycerin No capoeiristas in here? Tragic. Capoeira sux Only bitches talk s**t. Cap has no use whatsoever except in the movies. Dude. What the ********?
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