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 Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:50 pm
I think your sister has every right to her own opinion dear. If she is old enough to have what you would call an opinion on a topic such as this, then she has the right to her own ideas. As we all know, not everyone is pro-choice, and since we are pro-choice we encourage the right to choice, do we not? So I would say, try to explain your point of view to your sister when she is old enough to comprehend it, and then let her form her own ideas. You can't force her to be pro-choice just because she's a family member. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:22 pm
I think everyone has the right to their own opinions but I suggest, until everything is sorted out, that you talk nothing of kids younger than 4 to her if you have to discuss it.
But as you said, it does happen a lot. People don't see the whole picture, can only give the reasons that they have been told, and then when those reasons are countered still say that they are right and you are wrong.
Happens with me all the time when talking about Bush being a bad president... stare
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:10 pm
Enraged.-.Serenity When I said "enforcing male supremacy" I wasn't referring to abortion itself, but the fact that a large majority of protestors are male, and were male when we drove past. The fact that they are allowed almost complete freedom to their own body, yet they choose to limit what women are allowed to do with theirs. I wasn't saying that anti-abortion = enforcing male supremacy, rather I was referring to the fact that males have always put limits on women while never having to suffer as such. I realize now that my expectations for my little sister are unreasonable, being that she's only thirteen. I'm fourteen, and I always expect so much out of her, because she's my little sister. I don't want to ever have to look at her and think she's stupid, but instead I always want to believe she's the best of the best, and when she isn't I get frustrated. She has so many things at her disposal, yet she chooses to spend her days watching T.V. and text messaging. I guess these are things many people associate with being a teenager, but I've always been a sort of a nerd, so I don't necessarily understand her choices. The problem is, my sister doesn't understand what she's talking about, even if she says she does. When I say abortion, she immediately pictures an infant. Unfortunately, my little sister is too heavily influenced by her friends and what they say for me to explain it now. My mom has chosen to explain it to her, but my mom can get very confrontational, so I told her to wait. Only 13?...I was 12 going on 13 when I became pro choice, and a few of the other choicers are too...
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:01 pm
What does annoy me is especially when I talk to someone pro-life, and they refuse to discuss their reasons for being so- because they know I'm good at debate. Rawrgh. If you're wrong, admit it, jeez.
That said, I can see why you'd be mad. Depending on who I'm talking to (especially if it's someone I'd consider intelligent and otherwise well minded), I might get mad too, in a "wtf?! you should know better!!" manner.
But yeah, as others have said, get her to tell you as many reasons as you can think of for why she is pro-life. I honestly don't think it's wrong to tell younger people what your views are, why you hold them, and if they disagree, to discuss it. It could be considered 'pushing your view on them', but it's no more pushing than say, debate. You needn't hold back just because someone is younger.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:08 pm
Enraged.-.Serenity It's sad, but I take everything to the extreme, so when someone says something that I disagree with so vehemently, I tend to be a bit of an a**. Sometimes I feel guilty, too. People tell me to calm down or shut up. They act like it's not big deal. I feel guilty when people look at me like I'm a baby-killer. I feel sick and scared and disgusted sometimes when I'm in a really heated debate. Sometimes I feel bad for feeling things so strongly. But you know what? This is something I should feel strongly about. I should be scared, I should question. Above all, I should be passionate in defending myself. There are people out there who want to take my body away from me. There are people who want to deny half the population the right to make their own decisions. There are people who think a barely-formed fetus deserves more rights than a sentient full-grown woman. And there are enough people out there to make this nightmare, this hell, a reality. That's why I can't be passive, and why it matters so much. It's also why I'm afraid and angry. But ignorance isn't bliss, and if you don't speak up, it's like letting others speak for you. [gossamer]!smile. How does being apposed to abortion enforce male supremacey? I've never heard a person say: "Abortion is wrong because it'll ruin men as rulers of society!" I only hear that: "Abortion is wrong because it's killing a future life!" Personally, I hate it when people make things worse than they seem. Like you saying being anti-abortion = enforcing male supremacy. People beleive this because forcing women to become unwilling incubators for having sex--while men get off scot-free in many cases, or at least are punished financially and not physically, and while it is medically possible to give these women a choice-- is sexist, unafair, and violating their bodily domain. GreenSouthpaw don't know. It does depend on your sister's age. Until I was able to discern the meaning of bodily integrity, etc., I thought just that: "abortion is bad" because when I was younger, I was like "why would they want to kill a baby?" but I didn't really ever think about it. First I had heard about it had been a movie where a doctor was running an abortion clinic, but there were also children there... it's vague... and I remember him talking about a girl puncturing her uterus - for a reason I hadn't figured out. It's something basic, when you're a child, to be opposed to that, so that's why I ask your sister's age. Deformography I didn't truly understand things like BD and the difference between a baby and a fetus until I was fifteen or sixteen. Wow. I'll be eighteen in February... I haven't been pro-choice for very long. But, y'know, it was an abortion thread in ED that I was "debating" in when I was probably fifteen that changed my stance from anti-choice to pro-choice. I think you should give her time... She may not really be able to understand the difference between what something starts out as and what it eventually becomes. If you start out as a medical school student, you shouldn't be given the status of "doctor" because you have the potential to become one and because it's the intended result. Once she has detailed sex ed and maybe takes a biology course or two she might understand better, but it may be up to you to fill in the gaps when she's older because, as we all know, what the schools teach ain't always right or complete. We've all heard the stories. It's true. When I was growing up it was the same way. Nobody talked about abortion. It's such a touchy issue. I could have easily been swayed by the propaganda. But fortunately I was exposed to both sides of the story. To the whole issue, and not just "don't kill babies!"
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