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 Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:37 pm
Konai_Neto If you don't mind me asking, how do you meditate? What do you mean by breathing? Like, slow deep breaths like when you are asleep or what? Sorry but I am new at this. Excellent I have my first student twisted I'm only teasing, but I do plan on starting a thread on meditations and start with basic stuff. There are many ways to meditate, but basically all you do is limit the stimuli around you and try to focus only on 1 maybe 2 tasks. Technically, if you can concentrate on just the task you are completing (such as reading a book, deep prayer, running etc...) to the point that very little can draw your attention away from it, that can be a form of meditation. Yoga and Tai-chi are meditation excercises designed to take your mind off everything, and concentrate only on the moves, steps and postitions. The meditations we do (with the breathing exercises) are meant to get people to focus upon themselves, deep with in themselves and see what they can discover. The breathing exercises are just as you said, slow and deep. My uncle use to recommend inhaling to the count of 7 then exhaling to the count of 7 a couple of times, but most prefere doing what their body is comfortable with. As you breath you feel how your body moves, feel your lungs and chest expand and deflate. Then try tightening/relaxing muscles in your stomach and abdomen and see how it affects your breathing. Hope this helps you a little bit biggrin
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:27 pm
Yeah it does, thanks. It sounds kind of like what I do to calm myself when I am ready to rip someones head off. I lie down and well, basically retreat, though I have always thought of that more as selfhypnosis then meditation. I will concentrate on an image in my head, usually of my spirit shrinking and sinking within me while I run the word sinking through my head. And the breathing exercises sound like what we did in my drama class, though that was to teach us to control where we breathed and spoke from, lungs or diaphragm. The desired result is to speak from your diaphragm, take air into that and not your lungs.
I think I'll try some of the things mentioned in this thread. Thanks again.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:43 am
Konai_Neto Yeah it does, thanks. It sounds kind of like what I do to calm myself when I am ready to rip someones head off. I lie down and well, basically retreat, though I have always thought of that more as selfhypnosis then meditation. I will concentrate on an image in my head, usually of my spirit shrinking and sinking within me while I run the word sinking through my head. And the breathing exercises sound like what we did in my drama class, though that was to teach us to control where we breathed and spoke from, lungs or diaphragm. The desired result is to speak from your diaphragm, take air into that and not your lungs. I think I'll try some of the things mentioned in this thread. Thanks again. If you want to play, try imagining your spirit expanding, or going to visit places you know. This is the begining of spirit projections and Astral travel you hear people talking about although more controled.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:53 am
Okay, thank you very much.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:06 am
(reposting this in the CORRECT thread this time)
I have a little question about contacting spirit guides. You see, I read many books on how to contact them but they all don't seem to work. Here's my problem: I don't know if I'm suppose to imagine it all while in mediation. The suggestions says after meditating, I do this and I do that and even if I DO succeed, I feel like I'm imagineing it all and so I start to doubt myself and then it eventually collaspes.
BUT, I'm very well aware and know who my spirit guides are... or what form they take any ways. I believe my life guide is a tiger... I loved it for as long as I can remember and its imagery always appear to remind me to be brave. Then not long ago, I suddendly developed a huge interest in dragons and tried to find out everything about them. As though something was leading me, I stumble on a site that talked about "dragon magick" and then I tried out that path. The only thing was, it didn't really work for me because the people online all said that they could see thier dragon guides but I couldn't. Well, eventually the dragon left with the Tiger... I think it was because they believe they had done their job. No doubt there.
So, for a few months I got on with my life without them and then suddenly a wolf just shows up... Okay, maybe it didn't 'just show up'. I was praying for a guide who could teach or guide me so I could have a better relationship with my sisters (besides, I missed the presence of the tiger and dragon).
And so I'm back to trying to see my wolf (my tiger is back too and the dragon comes occasionally when I'm using my dragon tarot- don't know how but I could just feel them) and my guides but I'm having no luck seeing them because I have no one to talk to see if I'm doing it right. I mean, sure I'm suppose to 'see' that I'm in forest. Is that the same thing as imageing? If so, if I do meet them, am I imaging them because I want to see it so much that my mind is playing with me? Does anyone here knows what's up with me? Thanks!
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:39 pm
Don't get hung up on words and teminology. Vocabulary is limited and can be very tricky depending on pronounciation, context, emotions and word associations. For example when most people hear the word "imagine" they associate it with "make believe, and invisible friends that only kids can see", and yet it can also deal with "creativity and resourcefulness."
When people say "imagine this, or see this", it is the same thing. But know that during meditations it is more than just visualizing something. It is being able to use our knowledge and wisdom about something being able to provide a focus and intent and creating something within ourselves that we can interact with in a way that we couldn't in a physical way. Meditation is about knowing and being aware as well as seeing, touching, hearing, smell and taste.
There is so much more I could say on this, but I just don't have the time today. Just know for know that for now it isn't a trick. Your guides are there and everything is a-ok.
...I really have to get my meditation things going smile
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:25 pm
Uh... I still don't get it but I keep trying. I guess my methods -okay maybe not 'method' but guess instead of seeing them I just 'know' and feel them I guess. Which is alright but I SO want to meet and talk to them, be friends with them. crying Maybe when I'm older... stare
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:07 pm
Sorry I got called away from the computer in the middle of that and didn't really get to everything sweatdrop
But like I said before, with a word like "Imagine" it becomes associated with "make believe" and that people who do this belong in a mental hospital or are some pretty funky drugs. So many people who do guided meditations will say "see or visualize" instead, but basically it is your imagination combined with intuition, memory and senses. So you are doing fine. I really have to offer the tree exercise for you, it is a simple meditation where you create the image of a tree, add some light shadow and texture and then smell, hear and taste (yes I said taste smile )
Just so you know, not everyone can see their guides. But considering you have been able to recognize their presence and influence around you that is better than some others. Also you mentioned the feeling like the guides come and go..yeah they can do that. Some guides are permenant while others may vary depending on the life-stage and stuation.
Wolf is an awsome teacher when it comes to family stuff. Considering a pack usually consists of close kin that have to get along in order to survive. If you want some good info on wolves one of the best books I have is Wolves by R.D. Lawrence. He is a Canadian Naturalist who not only studied animals, he raised and cared for injured and orphaned animals until they are able to return to the wild. Do note that even though the book may appear to be something more suited for a grade 6 paper it actually has a lot of details that many other naturalist books don't cover.
Anyway I hope that helps a bit more than the previous post. You are dong ok smile
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:49 am
Interesting... This is the second time this has been brought up or brought to my attention in as many days.
As I mentioned to my friend, I don't really think I Have a spirit guide per se.
I have bonds with people/places/things/etc. but I usually go/talk/see/wha'ver to them Directly. If I or a friend is worried about somebody, I simply stop everything inside my mind and focus on their thread until I get a clear idea of what's going on for them.
When speaking with spirits I just speak to them. I don't have somebody introduce me. I suppose that Is rather rude of me, but it never occurs to me not to do it that way until after I'm done speaking with them. And by then it sorta doesn't matter.
I've just always been that way... As shy as I am with the living, I seldom have any trouble speaking with those of other planes. Possibly because they're made of energy, thought, memories and emotion and their physical bodies no longer act as a buffer between us. Who knows. I just know spirits don't seem to mind chatting with me or even on occasion playing with me. *shrugs*
And I don't think I have a guardian angel really... My cousin has several, perhaps she sucked them all up for the family? ~Sorry poor taste but still kinda funny~
Again I tend to go straight to the source. When I'm in trouble I ask for help directly from God. How he helps may be through angels but it's him that I ask and him that I thank. Not that other ways are wrong or any way inferior to the way I do things; just different.
Just as despite what several churches preach, I never say there is only one god. I've seen and experience too many things to believe that. And intellectually it's an illogical assumption given that there are both men And women. Perhaps Man Was made in his image but that doesn't explain what the fems were designed after. Nor does it explain why a Single God would make it imperitive that there be both Male and Fem required to reproduce.
*stops and realizes how mouthy she's gotten* Oh Excuse please. I didn't mean to ramble so... I tend to shift into what my friends call my "lecture mode" when talking about things of interest to me.
Again excuse please. redface sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:03 am
cerulean_gemini Uh... I still don't get it but I keep trying. I guess my methods -okay maybe not 'method' but guess instead of seeing them I just 'know' and feel them I guess. Which is alright but I SO want to meet and talk to them, be friends with them. crying Maybe when I'm older... stare If I may... Don't try so hard. Let it come when and where it feels natural. The point of meditation is to calm yourself and clear your mind so you can be open to them. If you're constantly trying to force yourself to do something of this nature, there's no room or energy for them to speak to you. Ask politely if they wish to contact you and then Let them. They may not be in the mood to talk and they may not trust you at first. It's much like with birds at a bird feeder. If you're constantly moving around (metaphysicly speaking) you scare them away. But go to the same spot, quietly and patiently sit day after day and they'll get used to you then gradually come To you. But throwing bird seed at the birds Never makes them come to the feeder unless they happen to be chickens Used to that. So stop throwing your mind at the spirits and wait for things to be ready to come to You. I hope that helps and sorry to intrude. I just thought it might be of use to you. It was something I was taught as a child and has helped a good deal through out my life.
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:42 am
BrightStorm cerulean_gemini Uh... I still don't get it but I keep trying. I guess my methods -okay maybe not 'method' but guess instead of seeing them I just 'know' and feel them I guess. Which is alright but I SO want to meet and talk to them, be friends with them. crying Maybe when I'm older... stare If I may... Don't try so hard. Let it come when and where it feels natural. The point of meditation is to calm yourself and clear your mind so you can be open to them. If you're constantly trying to force yourself to do something of this nature, there's no room or energy for them to speak to you. Ask politely if they wish to contact you and then Let them. They may not be in the mood to talk and they may not trust you at first. It's much like with birds at a bird feeder. If you're constantly moving around (metaphysicly speaking) you scare them away. But go to the same spot, quietly and patiently sit day after day and they'll get used to you then gradually come To you. But throwing bird seed at the birds Never makes them come to the feeder unless they happen to be chickens Used to that. So stop throwing your mind at the spirits and wait for things to be ready to come to You. I hope that helps and sorry to intrude. I just thought it might be of use to you. It was something I was taught as a child and has helped a good deal through out my life. Yes, I'm very clear on the fact that they'er suppose to come to you. But then again, maybe it's better we don't talk at all. I mean, they probably have nothing to say to me and me vice versa. Oh yeah, thanks for the bird anology. Funny though, I just thought of that yesterday as I was watering the grass. I realized that the spirits were probably like birds. They're very cautious and it takes time to build trust -which, I could honestly relate since I myself am like the birds. I take time to trust people so I wouldn't be surprised if my guardian spirits taken on after that personality. As long as they're there to help me, I'm happy enough. Thanks for your advice. As for Thyna, thanks! It makes things become a little more clearer. So baiscally its like using your imagination... it's just that sometimes I can't help but think I'm making it all up, I mean, the things that I meet and talk to there anyways but strangely they also happen to be right... And sure, the Tree excercise sounds fun. And thanks for the book. I'll look it up. I know what you mean by wolf's lessons in family though. As soon as I recongized its presence, I tried to find info about it on the internet but found little information although they were helpful on the wolf and its community. It was then that i finally realized the animal was there to guide me until I could learn to live with my sisters (I was litterally praying for a guide to help me with that). Thanks for the info!
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:27 pm
I meditate, but when I do I cannot seem to consintrate on finding my spirit animal guide. In anyone's personal experiences is there any tips on trying to keep focus and what exactly am I looking for as to an spirit guide?
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:10 pm
-Magicians Trick- I meditate, but when I do I cannot seem to consintrate on finding my spirit animal guide. In anyone's personal experiences is there any tips on trying to keep focus and what exactly am I looking for as to an spirit guide? Some people never do meet or are able to contact their guides. But some tips that may help Try not to worry about looking for the guides. If they wish to make their presence known to you they will appear, but it may not necessarilly be in an animal form. Most of the time guides are viewed as people, but the form they come in is deturmined by their intent, their energy/vibration/light, and our comfort level so it could be anything. When meditating go in with a specific task or question in mind. Guides will help you to seek the answers you need, provide direction and imput. Also try not to force the situation, go with the flow and let your intuition guide you. For mind chatter (residue info from daily activities) try imagining a feather flowing over your entire body and wisking any unnecessary stuff into a balloon basket and when done let the balloon float away and meet it at the end of your meditation journey. wink
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:14 pm
had a request to bring back the meditation for introducing yourself to spirit guides
I hope this helps smile
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:43 pm
I once meditated at my friend's house (the same friend's house where the first thing happened to me you may have read about) and we were slightly meditating and using the Ouija Board. Well, the name Rytotsin (RIE-TOTE-SIN) popped into my head and I haven't been able to clear my mind of it. THen once, when we felt we tapped into our aura seeing, I was slightly bored and very relaxed and I lifted my hand into the air and he said that a black shadow hand extended from my arm and then I didn't ask what happened after, it may have slowly disengrated or something. I don't think I have seen any spirit guides and I really want to find mine. I do a meditation where I imagine all my troubles, girlfriend, money, ect. going into a trashbin and then a garbage truck taking them away. It sometimes doesn't work and I really am eager to see my spirit guides. ((I had a wierd dream also, which I am posting in a different forum)) Any suggestions or something among those lines?
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