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 Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 8:44 pm
TheBeatnik That seems very easy to counter, but I may be being decieved! The mass opinion was that dragons existed, back in the Middle Ages, but that doesn't make it that they actually did.
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 8:47 pm
Kogeta Ok... Let's say I drop a pen from my hand to the ground. Why did it drop? Gravity. If I got a friend to say that gravity doesn't exist. The pen would still drop. If we got everyone on gaia to vote, and the majority voted that gravity didn't exist, gravity still exists. If everybody in the world collectively thought there was no such thing as gravity, gravity would still be here. There once was a belief that the world was flat. We dont decide what's real or not. God does. biggrin (Whoo, go Life Teen!) xd
However, for what you meant. Maybe if enough people believed the pen would instead levitate it would. After all, by your own words you are showing that you cannot believe this - how can you say you disbelieve in something while believing in it?
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 9:27 pm
SanguineV Kogeta Ok... Let's say I drop a pen from my hand to the ground. Why did it drop? Gravity. If I got a friend to say that gravity doesn't exist. The pen would still drop. If we got everyone on gaia to vote, and the majority voted that gravity didn't exist, gravity still exists. If everybody in the world collectively thought there was no such thing as gravity, gravity would still be here. There once was a belief that the world was flat. We dont decide what's real or not. God does. biggrin (Whoo, go Life Teen!) xd
However, for what you meant. Maybe if enough people believed the pen would instead levitate it would. After all, by your own words you are showing that you cannot believe this - how can you say you disbelieve in something while believing in it?You're arguing that perspective defines reality, while I disagree.
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 9:48 pm
Kogeta You're arguing that perspective defines reality, while I disagree.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:35 am
I would say that there are two types of reality- social reality and natural reality.
Natural reality is what can be explained (or at least examined and to some extent understood) byu the natural sciences.
Social reality is a construction. It is what we percieve the world to be. We all exist within our own social reality- which is what we understand the world around us to be (how we interpret what people and things say and do).
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:49 am
dezrosatweaker Dragons may be just the exaggeration of Dinosaurs and in medieval times, large lizards like the Komodo Dragon...so in a way they did and do exist. Until the 18th Century everyone was sure that witches, fairies, magic, and the like was real...and some is still believed today? Who's to say they don't you can't really prove either way. Okay, okay, dragons might be a bad example. The one about the flat world is good. It's been truly proven that the world is round, even though it was thought to be flat. The mind only determines things in it's confine. Truth is found outside the limitations of one's mind into a broader spectrum.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 3:42 pm
TheBeatnik Yafehseishin To me the meaning is of reality is not something that is the same for everybody. I believe that reality is acually an opinion. Each person gets to define their own reality. If you whole heartedly believe that something is real then to you it will be a part of your reality. But I can't really wholeheartedly believe dragons exist and then one will show up in my driveway, right? I understand that idea but only really believe it on a level of description, per se. For example I could smash a mirror because I wanted it smashed, and to you it would be "broken", whereas to me it would be "fixed." Same physical object, just different ideas of it's condition. Thats not what I'm saying. If you whole heartly believed that a dragon was in your driveway then to you that would be real. Beliefs shape your experiences. If you believed that a dragon was in your driveway you could potentially "see" it, "hear" it, and potentially "touch" it. Your mind controlls your senses so that you could be led to beleive you had sensed something when accordig to other people you didn't. I dont know if I'm being very clear with this but its hard to explain... sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 7:05 pm
Yafehseishin TheBeatnik Yafehseishin To me the meaning is of reality is not something that is the same for everybody. I believe that reality is acually an opinion. Each person gets to define their own reality. If you whole heartedly believe that something is real then to you it will be a part of your reality. But I can't really wholeheartedly believe dragons exist and then one will show up in my driveway, right? I understand that idea but only really believe it on a level of description, per se. For example I could smash a mirror because I wanted it smashed, and to you it would be "broken", whereas to me it would be "fixed." Same physical object, just different ideas of it's condition. Thats not what I'm saying. If you whole heartly believed that a dragon was in your driveway then to you that would be real. Beliefs shape your experiences. If you believed that a dragon was in your driveway you could potentially "see" it, "hear" it, and potentially "touch" it. Your mind controlls your senses so that you could be led to beleive you had sensed something when accordig to other people you didn't. I dont know if I'm being very clear with this but its hard to explain... sweatdrop Well that sort of depends on whether our definition of reality is within personal boundaries or on a vaster scale. I guess if I tried hard enough I could make myself hallicinate a dragon capable of empirically feeling with all the senses, and I guess if sensory connection defines reality, then yeah.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:51 pm
Reality is the a defintion , for all anyone believe's or knows we're non existing , all that we can touch is it really there ? As i type this does it not make you think and get you to converse back ? . Reality can be hard to give one or even a absolute answer to the question your asking .
At least in my opinion, our existance could be connected to are reality or to a sense of it . Or even so reality could be just an Illusion , just like perfection is. No one on the planet can be perfect at everything but at one thing 99% of the time , so maybe as well reality 99% of the time could be something far from what we think it could really be .
Too finish what I'm trying to get at ,we are all human and we can only go as far as or minds will allows us too, maybe there's something before reality something smaller that should be ask first then continue on to the larger puzzle's that lay ahead of us .
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:44 pm
Reality varies in its forms, but I say reality is anything I can interact with. Likewise, reality is anything that another person can interact with in their form of reality. My reality will differ from everyone else's reality, obviously, so defining it is a highly personal thing. Try to define it for everyone and you go nuts. evil
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:14 pm
MechaSeraph Reality varies in its forms, but I say reality is anything I can interact with. Likewise, reality is anything that another person can interact with in their form of reality. My reality will differ from everyone else's reality, obviously, so defining it is a highly personal thing. Try to define it for everyone and you go nuts. evil By your standards we'd never talk to each other, then. Philosophers can't really have successful debates with each other unless we come up with universal definitions for things... if we all just go on about out own topics, these discussions would never go anywhere. Some people talk about empiricist reality, where others talk about mental and spiritual reality... and we all get confused and go home.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:38 am
Obviously, reality is entirely about perception. What is "real" is defined by, in my opinion, wether it trggers thoughts in one's head. If it has a place in at least one person's mind, then it is real in the sense that the person can find thoughts about it. It exists as an object of question, and the way a person percieves it does not matter.
For example, I am atheist. God, in my opinion, may not physically exist as a being that created the earth and such, but since the subject triggers thoughts in my head, it is "real". It has the potential to be believed in. If something has the potential to be believed in, it is real because a person is capable of making it exist in their "world".
Anything and everything is real. It is simply the way one chooses to use the concepts of these real objects that makes the difference.
That made very little sense..
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:44 pm
My dad once talked about reality as "bubbles" for individuals and gatherings...
He stated that, a person by himself has a bubble of reality around him that is his own. Everything there is real to him. Anything he hears (like... I hear fireworks and my music), what he sees (which... I see my room... and Mom going down the hall), what I'm thinking (which... is this), feeling (the chair and keyboard), and whatever else is within my "bubble".
Then... the collective reality is when these bubbles overlap. Everyone's reality merges, and things real to one that they see are most likely going to be real for someone else as well.
(Hmm... ever watch oil merge on water while waiting for it to boil? I think of it like that, come to... think of it. Little individual bubbles come together and mix. Even if you separate them again, they are still somewhat mixed from being together, but then develope differently, and one could say they have different experiances until they merge again.)
Yet... I came in here expecting something as "this is my dream... I thought of all of you" or "we are only brains in jars being fed information".
(Which... long story short, the dream excuse, I don't think one person could create so many people with different thoughts at once and the world, and if it was the case, I have been born of said dreamers thoughts (much like Athena from Zeus), and would live on after the dream ended. mrgreen It's my take on it... for even considering all of it. ninja (Even more so... people argue the mind is a powerful thing... so the mind, if making a dream, could easily create something such as that...))
I'm not going to touch the issue on dragons here. I believe they exist. Or did... but I have my own reasons for that. (I have links to threads if someone wants.)
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:34 pm
Now some food for thought:
aaarhus stated a theory of buubles of reality interlaping into peoples world. A bubble is a kind of prison...Showing you what your senses can handle...is it possible to "escape" that bubble to see other realities...how then do you decide what is completely real and just individualy real?
Perhaps that is what these supossed paranormal dreams...a bursting of a bubble in a comotose state.
Comments?
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Socrates in Disguise Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:55 pm
Socrates in Disguise ... Perhaps that is what these supossed paranormal dreams...a bursting of a bubble in a comotose state. Comments? Hmm... http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8691745&page=1Thread on, originally, the color of dreams... but has some things... I honestly don't know what to think here... since I, as far as I know, haven't had any dreams "predict" anything. (Although... I had one dream with Sam and Max... and a scene was in some elevator, which I recall seeing much later on. sweatdrop ) Plus... with the internet, and even in real, seeing an event and someone claiming to have predicted it is questionable... if they say so afterward. But before... people just say it's coincidence... "everything" is just "coincidence"... From reading different things, dreams are said to be "windows" to different worlds, dimensions... Even read that there is an alternate earth for the spiritual and that there is an alternate place for where ideas come from. (Which... the same article explains it could explain why some people have the same relative ideas, and how some things are "so real" when others look at it.) As for "bursting the bubble", I don't think it does... because then, technically, wouldn't "reality" come rushing in? Like when a little bubble pops, the air inside and outside mix? The result would be the "reality" outside mixing with the person's private reality... I would think... and possibly cause a rush, resulting in insanity? Hmm... Maybe it's more like "looking further", yet in safety of the bubble.
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