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Socrates in Disguise Captain
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 Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:07 am
TheBeatnik OK... sorry please excuse me anyone I may have offended. I was just jokin' about the whole you can't talk thing, sorry, I should have pointed that out. Also the umm wormhole quote well sorry I might have misread, thinking she was coming to conclusions. I admit mine to being an open-ended theory and yeah I'll not rule anything out, just point out that having only one idea on the matter can lead to stubbornness... which of course I am not saying is present in you, but yeah you get my meaning. Sorry. About the California to New York thing, I'm not sure I understand. I mean, I could set my watch to the year to 1:32, January 6th, 1481, but that wouldn't mean I'm actually moving back in time... just by my own perspective... even if the entire planet suddenly started thinking that it was 1980, that would only change the perspective of man, not actually send us into the past... I'm refering to the jet lag theory...on a faster scale...20 times the speed of light or so...and speaking of perspective that was what I was trying to get at...is time travel just another change of perspective? Time is relative after all.
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:13 am
dezrosatweaker TheBeatnik OK... sorry please excuse me anyone I may have offended. I was just jokin' about the whole you can't talk thing, sorry, I should have pointed that out. Also the umm wormhole quote well sorry I might have misread, thinking she was coming to conclusions. I admit mine to being an open-ended theory and yeah I'll not rule anything out, just point out that having only one idea on the matter can lead to stubbornness... which of course I am not saying is present in you, but yeah you get my meaning. Sorry. About the California to New York thing, I'm not sure I understand. I mean, I could set my watch to the year to 1:32, January 6th, 1481, but that wouldn't mean I'm actually moving back in time... just by my own perspective... even if the entire planet suddenly started thinking that it was 1980, that would only change the perspective of man, not actually send us into the past... I'm refering to the jet lag theory...on a faster scale...20 times the speed of light or so...and speaking of perspective that was what I was trying to get at...is time travel just another change of perspective? Time is relative after all.
Once you hit the speed of light your are practically suspended in time relative to whatever you are near. Things will appear to fly past you incredibly fast and those near you will see you moving infantesimally slowly.
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 6:26 pm
dezrosatweaker TheBeatnik OK... sorry please excuse me anyone I may have offended. I was just jokin' about the whole you can't talk thing, sorry, I should have pointed that out. Also the umm wormhole quote well sorry I might have misread, thinking she was coming to conclusions. I admit mine to being an open-ended theory and yeah I'll not rule anything out, just point out that having only one idea on the matter can lead to stubbornness... which of course I am not saying is present in you, but yeah you get my meaning. Sorry. About the California to New York thing, I'm not sure I understand. I mean, I could set my watch to the year to 1:32, January 6th, 1481, but that wouldn't mean I'm actually moving back in time... just by my own perspective... even if the entire planet suddenly started thinking that it was 1980, that would only change the perspective of man, not actually send us into the past... I'm refering to the jet lag theory...on a faster scale...20 times the speed of light or so...and speaking of perspective that was what I was trying to get at...is time travel just another change of perspective? Time is relative after all. Oh, okay, gotcha... but is time really relative? can i, through my own perspective, suddenly make it so everyone wears loincloths and carries spears around? If a change of perspective is all it takes, I could drug myself into thinking we were in the eighteenth century, but it's not like I'd be changing anything that myself... so by your definition, is sleep time travel? time moves at a lightning speed upon sleep, right?
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 8:30 pm
an interesting idea, Time doesn't exist. picture an infinite number of still universes, and your perception (your soul, religious people) moves through them at an infinite speed. this creates the illusion of three-dimensional travel, as well as time. like a bugs bunny cartoon. bugs isn't actually moving, but because of the rate at whcih you are exposed to still pictures of him, your mind percieves movement. future perception is possible, but the future you saw would not be definite, just one of an infinite number of possible frames that are still unpercieved. most likely one of the more likely ones, though. thoughts?
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Socrates in Disguise Captain
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:03 am
interesting...so how could you explain deja vu? a lag in frames?
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 12:23 pm
OzymandiasKOK an interesting idea, Time doesn't exist. picture an infinite number of still universes, and your perception (your soul, religious people) moves through them at an infinite speed. this creates the illusion of three-dimensional travel, as well as time. like a bugs bunny cartoon. bugs isn't actually moving, but because of the rate at whcih you are exposed to still pictures of him, your mind percieves movement. future perception is possible, but the future you saw would not be definite, just one of an infinite number of possible frames that are still unpercieved. most likely one of the more likely ones, though. thoughts? Ozymandias is my favorite poem next to "The Guest House" by Rumi.
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Socrates in Disguise Captain
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 6:01 pm
OzymandiasKOK just gave me an idea...going with his theory I just came of a new way to explain dreams.
Dreams are merely perceptions of the future...possible outcomes in endless varieties. the really nonsensical dreams could be the frame hopping from what outcome to the next spontanously without knowledge...dreams will you die...when and where you die can happen so many ways and man fears death so much that that is a common perception...how will I die...ever thought that right before falling asleep?
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 6:20 pm
TheBeatnik OzymandiasKOK an interesting idea, Time doesn't exist. picture an infinite number of still universes, and your perception (your soul, religious people) moves through them at an infinite speed. this creates the illusion of three-dimensional travel, as well as time. like a bugs bunny cartoon. bugs isn't actually moving, but because of the rate at whcih you are exposed to still pictures of him, your mind percieves movement. future perception is possible, but the future you saw would not be definite, just one of an infinite number of possible frames that are still unpercieved. most likely one of the more likely ones, though. thoughts? Ozymandias is my favorite poem next to "The Guest House" by Rumi. Sounds cool. But if the universe is flipping through these still images at an infinitely fast rate, what's the difference between that and time? It seems like if THIS is what there is rather than time, there's no noticeable difference in how one could navigate it.
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 6:35 pm
TheBeatnik TheBeatnik OzymandiasKOK an interesting idea, Time doesn't exist. picture an infinite number of still universes, and your perception (your soul, religious people) moves through them at an infinite speed. this creates the illusion of three-dimensional travel, as well as time. like a bugs bunny cartoon. bugs isn't actually moving, but because of the rate at whcih you are exposed to still pictures of him, your mind percieves movement. future perception is possible, but the future you saw would not be definite, just one of an infinite number of possible frames that are still unpercieved. most likely one of the more likely ones, though. thoughts? Ozymandias is my favorite poem next to "The Guest House" by Rumi. Sounds cool. But if the universe is flipping through these still images at an infinitely fast rate, what's the difference between that and time? It seems like if THIS is what there is rather than time, there's no noticeable difference in how one could navigate it.
If however time is an overall and universal vector then timetravel isn't possible without stepping outside of it...
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:48 am
TheBeatnik Donnie Darko is one of my favorite movies but I've never actually had time to consider this before with a group of other philosophers. Any ideas? From what I've heard, it's one twisted movie. biggrin
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:36 am
dezrosatweaker interesting...so how could you explain deja vu? a lag in frames? Deja vu is kinda like a glitch in your brain, like a hiccup. You remember the exact thing happening before but it didn't happen before. You are really remembering what just happened now.
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 5:29 pm
SanguineV TheBeatnik TheBeatnik OzymandiasKOK an interesting idea, Time doesn't exist. picture an infinite number of still universes, and your perception (your soul, religious people) moves through them at an infinite speed. this creates the illusion of three-dimensional travel, as well as time. like a bugs bunny cartoon. bugs isn't actually moving, but because of the rate at whcih you are exposed to still pictures of him, your mind percieves movement. future perception is possible, but the future you saw would not be definite, just one of an infinite number of possible frames that are still unpercieved. most likely one of the more likely ones, though. thoughts? Ozymandias is my favorite poem next to "The Guest House" by Rumi. Sounds cool. But if the universe is flipping through these still images at an infinitely fast rate, what's the difference between that and time? It seems like if THIS is what there is rather than time, there's no noticeable difference in how one could navigate it.
If however time is an overall and universal vector then timetravel isn't possible without stepping outside of it...So correct me if I'm wrong, but what your saying is the universe is like a picture book with an infinite number of pages... so it's possible to turn back the pages in that book easily, because they can be read in any order... okay I understand how it would be possible to travel time then in a theoretical sense, but in a scientific one, it's still undecided how one might turn those pages...
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 5:30 pm
M.C TheBeatnik Donnie Darko is one of my favorite movies but I've never actually had time to consider this before with a group of other philosophers. Any ideas? From what I've heard, it's one twisted movie. biggrin Yeah it's kind of cool.
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:03 pm
TigerCatNails dezrosatweaker interesting...so how could you explain deja vu? a lag in frames? Deja vu is kinda like a glitch in your brain, like a hiccup. You remember the exact thing happening before but it didn't happen before. You are really remembering what just happened now. Or at least that's what the scientist/doctors say but I'm more open minded than to just assume that as fact.
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Socrates in Disguise Captain
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:49 pm
dezrosatweaker TigerCatNails dezrosatweaker interesting...so how could you explain deja vu? a lag in frames? Deja vu is kinda like a glitch in your brain, like a hiccup. You remember the exact thing happening before but it didn't happen before. You are really remembering what just happened now. Or at least that's what the scientist/doctors say but I'm more open minded than to just assume that as fact. What, would you rather believe in the whole matrix theory that deja view is someone changing something in the world? That I could never accept. Not even if it was a proven fact.
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