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 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:44 pm
Rose_of_Tae No no no, you got me all wrong. Life doesnt begin at a heart beat. I'm just saying that without the morning afterpill, there would be more abortions at older ages, where the fetus is more developed. Now, that might not matter to you- but it does to me. If they are going to abort it- then I would rather it be before it develops- BEFORE it has a heartbeat. That makes it, to me, less cruel- less personal. It doesnt make it right, true, but it makes it less heart breaking. And it DOES reduce the amount of abortions- you are talking about when the egg gets fertilized and the lining thins so that the egg cant cling to it. You completly by pass the number of those eggs that dont get fertilized due to the pill. Also, I think that there are many women out there that dont know exactly what the pill does- or how it works (AKA the thinning of the lining- which you say is like an abortion...is and abortion) and there probably a lot of women who would stop taking the pill if they knew that it was like an abortion. One way to prevent these morning after pill "abortions" is to get that information out there. That would also reduce the amount of these non medical abortions from happening. I still support the pill whole heartedly, I may not like the result of it, but I still do. I respect that a lot. When people have reasoning behind their beliefs and you make good points. and there is the point that it is before pain can be felt....I don't support it myself, but I suppose as long as medical abortion is legal, it's more of a help. And you're right, a lot of people I know have no idea how it really works, I guess, they all just thought the same way I did.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:05 pm
Lol, I don't mean I disrespect people who don't agree with me, I just have a lot of respect for people who have thought through their arguments. like toxic I always respect. Some people always, always, ALWAYS answer with, because the bible says so, or, becauase it's opression, and will never go further(farther? THink it's further) than that.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:19 pm
Rose_of_Tae No no no, you got me all wrong. Life doesnt begin at a heart beat. I'm just saying that without the morning afterpill, there would be more abortions at older ages, where the fetus is more developed. Now, that might not matter to you- but it does to me. If they are going to abort it- then I would rather it be before it develops- BEFORE it has a heartbeat. That makes it, to me, less cruel- less personal. It doesnt make it right, true, but it makes it less heart breaking. And it DOES reduce the amount of abortions- you are talking about when the egg gets fertilized and the lining thins so that the egg cant cling to it. You completly by pass the number of those eggs that dont get fertilized due to the pill. Also, I think that there are many women out there that dont know exactly what the pill does- or how it works (AKA the thinning of the lining- which you say is like an abortion...is and abortion) and there probably a lot of women who would stop taking the pill if they knew that it was like an abortion. One way to prevent these morning after pill "abortions" is to get that information out there. That would also reduce the amount of these non medical abortions from happening. I still support the pill whole heartedly, I may not like the result of it, but I still do.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:28 pm
That's a good question...and to tell you the truth...I dont really know right now. I havent thought that far ahead. I mean, I see the good aspects of it and also the bad. I really need some time to debate on this with myself, to test my morals, and see what I come up with. After thinking on it for a few days- I will get back to you. Because I agree, it is very much like an abortion if the egg is fertilized...
Damnit... I'll get back to you on that one.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:31 pm
Rose_of_Tae That's a good question...and to tell you the truth...I dont really know right now. I havent thought that far ahead. I mean, I see the good aspects of it and also the bad. I really need some time to debate on this with myself, to test my morals, and see what I come up with. After thinking on it for a few days- I will get back to you. Because I agree, it is very much like an abortion if the egg is fertilized... Damnit... I'll get back to you on that one.
But I agree with you if you decide you mean it's good to be out there as long as abortion is legal. If you decide that it should be okay even if abortion is outlawed I'm going to disagree with you. wink
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:35 pm
Rose_of_Tae That's a good question...and to tell you the truth...I dont really know right now. I havent thought that far ahead. I mean, I see the good aspects of it and also the bad. I really need some time to debate on this with myself, to test my morals, and see what I come up with. After thinking on it for a few days- I will get back to you. Because I agree, it is very much like an abortion if the egg is fertilized... Damnit... I'll get back to you on that one. Yeah. DOn't you wish it was all as easy as black and white? Bleck. But then again, I have a few thoughts because I usually think TOO far into things. If medical abortion is made illegal, people would have the pill to fall back on and not try as hard to overturn the overturn. If after abortion was made illegal, the pill was made illegal, it would be much easier to argue to bring back Roe v. Wade. Until abortion is constitutionally illegal, the overturn of roe v. wade is in such jeopardy. it's hard to make an amendment...you need so many votes. The same goes for repealling an amendment. I think it's 2 thirds? I'm trying to remember back to US history. So...is keeping the pill an appeasement that is the lesser of two evils if medical abortion is made illegal?
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:38 pm
lymelady Rose_of_Tae That's a good question...and to tell you the truth...I dont really know right now. I havent thought that far ahead. I mean, I see the good aspects of it and also the bad. I really need some time to debate on this with myself, to test my morals, and see what I come up with. After thinking on it for a few days- I will get back to you. Because I agree, it is very much like an abortion if the egg is fertilized... Damnit... I'll get back to you on that one. Yeah. DOn't you wish it was all as easy as black and white? Bleck. But then again, I have a few thoughts because I usually think TOO far into things. If medical abortion is made illegal, people would have the pill to fall back on and not try as hard to overturn the overturn. If after abortion was made illegal, the pill was made illegal, it would be much easier to argue to bring back Roe v. Wade. Until abortion is constitutionally illegal, the overturn of roe v. wade is in such jeopardy. it's hard to make an amendment...you need so many votes. The same goes for repealling an amendment. I think it's 2 thirds? I'm trying to remember back to US history. So...is keeping the pill an appeasement that is the lesser of two evils if medical abortion is made illegal?
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:44 pm
I guess. And apeasement doesn't usually work. DIdn't work on Hitler....give an inch, they run a mile. Sometimes I think the pro-life fight is a losing fight, but I'll be damned if that stops me from fighting. Like, firguratively. I'm not afraid of going to hell if I stop fighting, I'm just never giving up.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:50 pm
Maybe, because people today are more concerned with their own comfort than the lives of others. It's a dog eat dog world out there, now more than ever. But never give up, it may be a hard road to go, a hard stressful road. But the right road none-the-less.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:00 pm
biggrin This is one of those cases where the fact I'm so thickheadedly stubborn is a help more than a hindrance.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:00 pm
I don't think I can break it down to good or bad. Everything is relative and the situation plays the largest role of all. Seeing as how I have no situation to judge withy I don't think I'll judge at all. 3nodding
On a daily basis I don't think the morning after pill should be necessary if that's enough for you. razz
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:05 pm
Theallpowerfull I don't think I can break it down to good or bad. Everything is relative and the situation plays the largest role of all. Seeing as how I have no situation to judge withy I don't think I'll judge at all. 3nodding On a daily basis I don't think the morning after pill should be necessary if that's enough for you. razz Hate to get into shades of gray. Abortion is one of those all or nothing issues, isn't it? If you start getting into abortion situations, any situation can be twisted into a situational need for something.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:12 pm
lymelady Theallpowerfull I don't think I can break it down to good or bad. Everything is relative and the situation plays the largest role of all. Seeing as how I have no situation to judge withy I don't think I'll judge at all. 3nodding On a daily basis I don't think the morning after pill should be necessary if that's enough for you. razz Hate to get into shades of gray. Abortion is one of those all or nothing issues, isn't it? If you start getting into abortion situations, any situation can be twisted into a situational need for something.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:17 pm
toxic_lollipop lymelady Theallpowerfull I don't think I can break it down to good or bad. Everything is relative and the situation plays the largest role of all. Seeing as how I have no situation to judge withy I don't think I'll judge at all. 3nodding On a daily basis I don't think the morning after pill should be necessary if that's enough for you. razz Hate to get into shades of gray. Abortion is one of those all or nothing issues, isn't it? If you start getting into abortion situations, any situation can be twisted into a situational need for something. The probelm is still that we are simply debating it and not living it. I personally have no recommendation as to what would be best for everyone because there may be valid reasons but there are also lazy, stupid people who would take advantage of those opportunities. I think abortion should only be legel if the mother or both her and the child would certainly die anyway. At least then the mother can fight with her own morals and decide who's life is more important... sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:18 pm
toxic_lollipop lymelady Theallpowerfull I don't think I can break it down to good or bad. Everything is relative and the situation plays the largest role of all. Seeing as how I have no situation to judge withy I don't think I'll judge at all. 3nodding On a daily basis I don't think the morning after pill should be necessary if that's enough for you. razz Hate to get into shades of gray. Abortion is one of those all or nothing issues, isn't it? If you start getting into abortion situations, any situation can be twisted into a situational need for something. the thing about the mother's health is that even before roe v. wade, it was legal to have an abortion if it jeopordized your health. rape, though, can't answer for that one.
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