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 Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:32 pm
ZOMG I'M IN
i wanna add a Cheshire's pick to the categories... and i'll provide my own prizes and stuff...
[i kinda like things that are more lucid than things like most humorous, because if there is only one funny entry then it wins] @3@ Judge's picks are sometimes good... i dunnos
we should definatly outline how many entries people can win and stuff...
and we can pool the stuff on the Legend account into this, i dunno what's still innit.
and what about questers? should we allow that stuffs in?
and i think we should make a thread somewhere for legend owners input too.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:22 pm
No, Legend owners should get no input, I say we feed them to the walrus! razz
I'm against questers, though. Not in general, but as beneficiaries of the art contest. Many might give up on their quest and then it's like all this time and effort and fundage on characters who will never exist, what's the fun in that? And questers change their concepts regularly...
I also think that if people are going to fund their own categories, they ought to match funds for the general prize pool because otherwise the art contest will turn very one-sided very fast. As in, certain people here have massive funds and if they offer all the prizes, they will get all the art. I'm all for sponsoring categories for our own picks and characters, but only if we have to help out everyone else, too. So if I want to offer 100k for best Third image, I should also have to donate 100k to the contest in general to go to things like top prize and category prizes.
EDIT: Also, it kind of sucks if a single character has a prize offering greater than the contest's overall top prize, yanno?
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:26 pm
... and if someone doesn't want to contribute an equal amount to the general prize pool, they can just go run their own art contest -- EDIT: Or use the funds to commission artists.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:31 pm
So far I've just PMed the idea to all Legend owners, but I'll come around to making a thread asap, <3.
I agree with Em in that questers shouldn't really be included. They can commission artists with the money they would hypothetically contribute, but since this already encompasses a LOT of characters, it's best just to keep it to those in existence and hope that everyone gets an entry or three, <3. Quest Feedee/Legends are much more lucid and flexable; they'll change over time, even to different genders and such, as existing Legends had to when becoming Legends. I'm all for making questers feel important and welcome, but maybe there should be a referral or sig banner contest for them instead.
And I also see what you mean, Em. They have to think, too, that the general funds go toward their character, as well; not all Third arts would necessarily only win in a Third catagory, so obviously it would be kind for them to contribute also to the funds of the general pot. I don't want to put anyone off of taking full advantage of the contest, though, so I'm a bit torn..
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:57 pm
Well, the contest should be to the benefit of all, more than it benefits any single individual Feedee or Legend. Since that might be tricky, the contest should at least benefit the totality in equal to its benefits to the richest individual who sponsors a category.
... I'm not even sure what I just said. XD I just don't think it's fair for Iqbal to have a 1 million prize for him, every artist will draw Iqbal and only Iqbal. Whereas if Iqbal has a 1 million prize, but the contest in general has a 1 million top prize, too, people will be as likely to draw Iqbal as they are to not draw Iqbal.
Well, they'll still probably draw Iqbal, but they'll at least have the option of winning just as much a prize if they don't draw Iqbal.
Also look at it... if Iqbal has a 1 million prize and everyone else contributes 500k to the main contest prizes, every artist will draw Iqbal because they want to win the top prize*. And all the main contest winners will end up being pictures of Iqbal, too. So it's like we all just sponsored an art contest that benefits Iqbal, and as much as it's nice to be generous, I'd rather go run my own Third art contest where I at least have a chance of seeing my own Feedee drawn instead of sending 500k to Iqbal arts.
*Of course, there will always be some artists who won't draw Iqbal and will draw other Feedee who inspire them, but anyone who thinks they have a chance at the top prize will draw Iqbal just because if you draw Iqbal, you get the chance at 1 million, and you're still eligibile for the general contest prizes.
EDIT: The way I see it, the only way for it to be fair is matching donations. Grand prize in the contest should always be greater than any individual character prize, anyway. And it would be unfair of me to make a 500k category just for Third if the general contest only has 300k funds total. Instead, if I made my 500k category and donated 500k to the main contest, too... It's still not completely fair, but it certainly is more balanced. This way people who contribute lion's shares to the contest still get the lion's share of the art (because who wouldn't want to draw the character with the 500K prize?) but people who can't contribute at much still have a good shot of getting art.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:32 pm
...well i don't know if anyone will be able to match the grand prize... since i'm going to do something to raise some funds it will probably be over the 3 million range... @3@...
and my section would not be for my characters but for the pieces i enjoyed the most... and the prizes there will not be in any comparison to the grand prize for sure.
TAT like i totally see your point, but some people are really poor and maybe can't afford to contribute to both. Uh... maybe we can do something else like... if people want to have their own categories have it capped at like 100k, and then maybe other owners can help out the people who can't meet the cap... or something like that.
edit:
er plus i don't really think people should have to contribute to the contest @3@ because i guess the reasoning would be something like: couldn't i just use the money to buy artwork? @3@... i guess this contest is more a treat for owners from us to you and so you guys get wonderful art stuffs for being awesome owners? XDDDDD
[donations to the contest are still totally welcome though @3@]
edit2:
you think people would be interested in non gaia items prizes?? like art or something?
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:42 pm
I've seen contests offer custom high end pets, so receiving art would be a real treat of a prize, I'm sure!
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:52 pm
I love the cap idea! And if everyone reached the cap, then it could be raised? Thay would really encourage people to help out other owners... Because if you do, there's a chance you can offer more for your own prize. X3
I'd compete for cheshire art! Except... I wanna judge for a change. XD And I want to have Emperial picks like cheshire picks, too, in addition to a Third category. ^^ To just reward pieces of art that are particularly kickass imho. But I totally shouldn't be allowed to do that unless I've contributed as much or more to the main contest categories and stuff.
It might be a problem when it comes down to giving out prizes, though... you'd have to go in order of category value, unless a single piece fo art is allowed to win more than one prize. Both ways can be good!
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:04 pm
quietsnooze I've seen contests offer custom high end pets, so receiving art would be a real treat of a prize, I'm sure! oh good point @3@ i guess no feedee's really but legends might be alright or something. That's kinda hard though because what if someone didn't actually want the pet TAT... er... maybe not though. I don't think i really like anything but writing contests for rp pets... TAT other things don't really make much sense. Art though, i'll definatly offer some stuff... maybe some more aliens or something silly ha ha.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:25 pm
Well if the winner didn't want the pet, then artwork by the artist who was supposed to do the pet could be the alternative? As for having a cap, I agree with it, although is it possible that if the individual categories are similar in nature (i.e. best "Third" best "Iqbal" best "FeeDeename") could they be roughly in the same price range?
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:28 pm
Oh, no, I just meant that's why I think art would be an appropriate prize, ^^. Less strings attached for both parties. In most cases, too, the pet was offered with a choice of the gold/item value instead. I'm not made of money, unfortunately, to afford such a prize, ^0^;;.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:30 pm
Huni Pi Well if the winner didn't want the pet, then artwork by the artist who was supposed to do the pet could be the alternative? As for having a cap, I agree with it, although is it possible that if the individual categories are similar in nature (i.e. best "Third" best "Iqbal" best "FeeDeename") could they be roughly in the same price range? Who'd pay to keep them in the same range? Do you want me to put a minimum/maximum amount on individual catagories, ^^?
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:32 pm
Um, like the cap, I think it would be nice if there were a minimum and maximum. To make the incentives for the artists to try for the individual categories more? Iunno sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:39 pm
A cap is a maximum. 3nodding But it would definitely be good if every character got, say, a 5k gold prize minimum for their category.
And to keep them in the same range... that's the point of the cap?
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:54 pm
I'm definitely a fan of certain ideas put forward.
I support the idea of a prize cap fully, as well as the minimum ideal, as if we have a minimum, other guardians are more likely to help others fund it.
And if that happens, we're more likely to have an even range, thus making it more about which char appeals to the artist, rather than which has the larger monetary gain.
I also agree wholeheartedly that questers should not be in the comp.
With two shops worth of chars, to include yet more, that are by no means guaranteed of ever coming to more than an idea, seems to be flooding the thing.
To take Em's idea of matching up, here'd be my take:
It's unfair to ask people to match their category prize to the main prize pool, some people just can't afford it.
I do, though, feel it's unfair to have people funding their category solely, and giving no attention to the contest at large.
So perhaps, a restriction that you cannot have an individual category until you've made a donation to the main funds?
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