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paradigmwind

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:42 pm


I'm going to take a step away from the entire question of mapping entirely and ask a simpler question. Consider a circle drawn on your stock variety euclidean plane. we choose some arbitrary line in the plane and let L be the set of all lines in the plane paralell to our choosen line. for any line in L that intersects the circle we put an element s in a set S such that s is a scalar that represents the length of the line segment inside the circle if the line intersects the circle at 2 points and is 0 if the line intersects it at one. If we now throw away the circle and have only the information in the unordered set S then we won't have enough information to reconstruct the circle even if we know how the information was collected. But if we dictate some rules concerning what shapes are possible (analogous to physical principles) then, we can make the rules so that the circle is the only possible shape. (at least I hope we can make the rules like that but I wouldn't bet too much on it considering weirdnesses like banach-tarsky)

The same sort of question is analogous to taking a set of crossections of the universe ala frames and then leaving them in a jumbled heap. Assuming that the universe does in fact operate on some sort of physical principles there is a limit to the ways we can reconnect these frames into a world that still makes physical sense. But what physical principles are necessary to leave only one possible world or does such a set of principles non existent? Are the physical principles of say relativity enough?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:05 pm


Okay then, let's consider your circle. What rules would we need?
Well, continuity is probably necessary. And by continuity I mean continuity as defined by the standard topology of the Euclidean plane. I can't think of anything else that would serve the same function that isn't equivalent to continuity. I'd dump in completeness as well. There's also a lot of other rules you'd need to make sure that you end up with a circle and not a V or a square or something of the like.

This being said, the notion that objects move in a continuous manner (as per the standard topology of the physical universe) should be enough to determine which frames go where in terms of order (assuming a non-periodic universe). Of course, this doesn't quite work in quantum mechanics, as things tend to jump when observed, and we've got the problem of the Planck scale.
But for large scale objects this does hold if we assume that time ranges over R.
I'm sure there's other stuff that is necessary, but continuity seems to be the thing you're so bent on discarding.

Layra-chan
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VorpalNeko
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:52 pm


Getting a square would actually be an improvement, since squares and circles are topologically equivalent. With the condition that topology is preserved, you'd at least get some sort of connected shape. Without it, all bets are off, since topology is the most fundamental of notions.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:03 am


Gah neverming, I did some thinking and I'm throwing this Idea out the window xd

I ate your Sex


Xarxos

PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:51 am


Two words: Zeno's Paradoxes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_Paradox

"Finally, in the arrow paradox, we imagine an arrow in flight. At every moment in time, the arrow is located at a specific position. If the moment is just a single instant, then the arrow does not have time to move and is at rest at that instant. Now, in following instants, it then must also be at rest for the same reason. The arrow is always at rest and cannot move: motion is impossible."

and

"Aristotle denies that time is composed of "nows", as implied by Zeno's argument. If there is just a collection of "nows" then there is no such thing as temporal magnitude. Therefore, if Aristotle is correct in denying that time is composed of indivisible nows, then Zeno is wrong in saying that the arrow was stationary throughout its flight despite saying that in each now the moving arrow is at rest."

Done.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:32 pm


Yes in our dimension since i believe our dimension runs on the cause and effect part of physics

It is inevitable that the coin i flipped yesterday was to be heads and that this post was to be posted with these words

Only outer-dimensional stimuli can change it

Randomization doesn't exist in our universe

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Our dimension is infinite in any second
Our dimension is consisting of infinite nows

Lets say one second is a frame (mor elike a tape lol)
split it, another frame, so two frames making up the 1 seconds frame'
split, two 15 seconds making up a 30 second
split, 2 712 seconds making up the 15
split, 2 31/4 making up the 712
and so on and so forth

Get it?

Xxcyber-punkxX-


Cynthia_Rosenweiss

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:41 pm


[[CyBeR-PuNk]]
Get it?


Not really... neutral
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