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 Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:58 pm
BandFreakJo Skiddishfit BandFreakJo yes, sin=death, but not if you are saved! the price of our sin is death since adam and eve, but god gave us a way out of that, BY JESUS!!!! do you not believe god has relived us from our sins? where does it say that after you have been saved, it can be rewinded? ive only seen versus in which that say, you now have ETERNAL life! *sigh* Sin requires death, that death is Hell, according to the telling of the second death in Revelation. If sin brings the second death being Hell, I would very much consider that a rewinding [along with the mention of "backward" in Isaiah 1:4]. will you plz give me a verse of this, b/c no offense, but i would prefer to look at the verse! I've given you verses. Read Romans 6:23, then flip to Revelation 21:7-8. Thereafter read James 1:12-15 [paying key attention to the end verse].
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:02 pm
oh, you mean the ones you have already posted?!? right..... i forgot to look at the verse, i read the verse but didn't look at where they wer'e from! redface biggrin
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:04 pm
BandFreakJo oh, you mean the ones you have already posted?!? right..... i forgot to look at the verse, i read the verse but didn't look at where they wer'e from! redface biggrin Lol, no worries.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:07 pm
i'm going to look them up in my different version tonight...
cause i still think i can't ever lose my salvation, i think that might mean something else...
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:14 pm
BandFreakJo i'm going to look them up in my different version tonight... cause i still think i can't ever lose my salvation, i think that might mean something else... The point I am getting at being, sin requires death according to Romans 6:23. That death in Revelation 21:7-8 is said to be Hell. Isaiah 1:4 mentions sin causes one to go backward [getting at the mention of rewind you purposed]. James 1:12-15 also mentions sin = death. The Bible tells if one sins they will go to Hell. Unless one never sins after receiving salvation they will be Hell "worthy". Which it is possible not to sin after being saved. Though, that does not mean one is impervious to sin[ning] I can provide you with whichever translation you want 3nodding .
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:20 pm
Proof of my saying this:
"Which it is possible not to sin after being saved."
in 2 Peter 1:5-11.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:59 pm
i agree, people sin after they are saved, but they are saved and that cannot be taken away from them, jesus paid the price for that sin and i have accepted him into my life, so therefore jesus forgives me from all my sins so i don't have to go to hell. i no longer have the consequences of death because my sins are forgiven, god doesn't like them, but he still forgives me and will let me see him in heaven.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:02 pm
I think that this could possibly be trying to figure out how to judge people which we know is wrong. I think we shouldn't worry about this and let God decide who goes to Heaven.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:07 pm
BandFreakJo i agree, people sin after they are saved, but they are saved and that cannot be taken away from them, jesus paid the price for that sin and i have accepted him into my life, so therefore jesus forgives me from all my sins so i don't have to go to hell. i no longer have the consequences of death because my sins are forgiven, god doesn't like them, but he still forgives me and will let me see him in heaven. Repentance is required in order to receive forgiveness, review Acts 2:38. Those that were in Jerusalem were told by Peter they must first repent, then they must be baptized, thereafter receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. In essence, if one does not repent of their sins, there is no forgiveness. Also review 2 Chronicles 7:14. Further meaning, in the duration of after sinning and not repenting, one, is, lost. Without Christ, without salvation.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:09 pm
OutkasTeen I think that this could possibly be trying to figure out how to judge people which we know is wrong. I think we shouldn't worry about this and let God decide who goes to Heaven. On what grounds do you come about with this? EDIT: I'm not up for opinion, afterall this is the debate forum wink .
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:16 pm
In which I do not see why it was moved. The verses provided are not being debated, just not understood.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:10 am
You can lose salvation.
Romans 11:21-22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22-Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
God will cut off branches. Then there is the unforgiveable sin. We still can choose to turn away from God even after we are saved.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:19 pm
wow, im getting REALLY confused, i was gone yesterday and cowabunga happens! ok, why did this get moved, i'm not debating w/ anyone, just trying to get my facts straight, but whatever!
and imotoku, i'm kinda lost on the whole branches thing, could u explain further, i'm having a brain fart...
on acts 2:38 as skiddishfit said, that is part of what i believe on how you get into heaven, the abc's
a-admit ur a sinner and need god
b-believe that god raised him from the dead and saved us from our sins
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c-confess ur sins, and ask him into your life
BUT that is basically what acts was saying, that you have to have god forgive you of your sins, then ask him into your life(baptize)
PLUS i thought we didn't get to heaven by good works, so how does that fit in? those things would be good works?
AND jesus had ALL sins upon him on the cross before he died, but he still went to heaven!
(sorry, i had alot to say) biggrin
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:52 pm
BandFreakJo wow, im getting REALLY confused, i was gone yesterday and cowabunga happens! ok, why did this get moved, i'm not debating w/ anyone, just trying to get my facts straight, but whatever! and imotoku, i'm kinda lost on the whole branches thing, could u explain further, i'm having a brain fart... on acts 2:38 as skiddishfit said, that is part of what i believe on how you get into heaven, the abc's a-admit ur a sinner and need god b-believe that god raised him from the dead and saved us from our sins and c-confess ur sins, and ask him into your life BUT that is basically what acts was saying, that you have to have god forgive you of your sins, then ask him into your life(baptize) PLUS i thought we didn't get to heaven by good works, so how does that fit in? those things would be good works? AND jesus had ALL sins upon him on the cross before he died, but he still went to heaven! (sorry, i had alot to say) biggrin Jesus bared the sins, but was not sinful. The mention of "branch" is an analogy. Basically, if an individual does not continue in the LORD, they will be cut off from the LORD. Meaning without salvation. If an individual becomes saved, then sinning and not repenting. They are sinful. For which it is told in Romans 6:23 sin requires death. Revelation 21:7-8 tells that death is Hell. I do not think it can be made any clearer, no offence.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:37 am
BandFreakJo wow, im getting REALLY confused, i was gone yesterday and cowabunga happens! ok, why did this get moved, i'm not debating w/ anyone, just trying to get my facts straight, but whatever! and imotoku, i'm kinda lost on the whole branches thing, could u explain further, i'm having a brain fart... on acts 2:38 as skiddishfit said, that is part of what i believe on how you get into heaven, the abc's a-admit ur a sinner and need god b-believe that god raised him from the dead and saved us from our sins and c-confess ur sins, and ask him into your life BUT that is basically what acts was saying, that you have to have god forgive you of your sins, then ask him into your life(baptize) PLUS i thought we didn't get to heaven by good works, so how does that fit in? those things would be good works? AND jesus had ALL sins upon him on the cross before he died, but he still went to heaven! (sorry, i had alot to say) biggrin The branches are us. If we continue in the Lord we stay on the tree. If we do not continue then we are cut off from the tree. It is true we don't get into heaven by good works, but staying in the Lord is something you have to do. In the Bible it talks about people who on judgement day will say we healed the sick and cast out demons in your name, but Jesus will say he never knew them. So those people who do those things must have been on the tree at one time but then was cut off.
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