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To some degree, however not everything can be brought to court and even when it is that doesn't mean that the jurors always listen to everything. Look at O.J. Simpson ("The glove didn't fit!" Even though it was leather and therefore could have shrunk enormously.) and look at the cases where people were wrongfully convicted. It happens a lot, in Canada people are getting out of jail because new technology is proving that they were innocent.

So the jurors obviously couldn't be looking at everything but only the things are being presented to them, correct? Much like the family can only look at the things are being presented to them.


No, we don't see it as a crime. However they do. Most murderers believe that they're doing a good thing, or an okay thing etc. Look at the woman that the movie 'monster' was based after. She believed getting rid of those men was okay, however she was punished by death.

Why? Because pro-death penalty people believe it is a crime punishable by death. Much like pro-choice people believe that being concieved is punishable by death. Please excuse the repitition.

And remind me never to go to Texas. xd I run across people's lawns all the time.


It's always impossible to argue with me. I have lawyer blood in me. xd

The main arguement I've seen for the death penalty (I'm actually suprised this thread hasn't turned into pro/anti-death penalty completely yet and we're still on the similarities between abortion and death penalty and stuff. So really this hasn't come up O_O) is because people don't want to pay taxes to keep these criminals who have killed someone alive.

Much like a pregnant woman doesn't want to have to support this fetus that's invaded her body alive.

Ever watch 'Silence of the Lambs'? It's actually got some interesting information stuff in there. Stuff like it's harder to kill someone if you don't think of them as an object, but as another person. That was probably one of my favorite parts of the movie and then them illustrating it by showing the scene "It puts the lotion on its skin else it gets the hose again." firstly referring to her as though she's not even there, and then once again with 'it' instead of 'she' or 'her'.

Now sorry for taking something from a movie, but I think that this holds true to many things in life. Like abortion for instance. It's easier to kill by referring to 'it' instead of 'her/him', and the same as the death penalty referring to 'the criminal' instead of 'the person'. And also by not thinking of the other people being affected (effected? I've never been able to get those two straight.) by the death of 'it'.

But....life in prison is cheaper than death row.


And in states with the death penalty, murder rates are lower than those without. It works as prevention. They can't ever kill anyone again, they're dead. It works with detterance. I will never murder anyone only because of the fact I might die, not because I have moral qualms about it. Some people I feel I could kill without turning a hair. so it's at least kept one guy alive. As I've said, though, retribution and reform make no sense for me, but prevention and deterrance are enough to convince me. I am a person who values safety. Well....freedom over safety, but the two go hand in hand more often than not. I want to keep innocent people safe. It makes perfect sense for me to be both anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, my only complaint is that both abortion and the death penalty are widely overused and not even safely. My stance on abortion being used and the death penalty being used are exactly the same. If the person poses a life-threatening situation, and I mean undeniably. No doubt about it. Hands down, no possible way to be mistaken. It should be an option to protect people.

I'm still against the death penalty, even if a man murders another man, he is still a human...

From a religious standpoint, yes. Mainly because I know for a fact the world will always be unfair. I guess I can go on a religious rant about how sin makes the world unfair and therefore causes us to have to live in such a troubled time.

I just feel that only God has the right to take life, no one else does, which is one of the reasons I'm still pro-life. Yes, it's based on religion, but at least I have the decency to think that man is no authority over other men in any way, shape or form.

I don't think you can be pro-life and go against rape if you want to be pro-death penalty... I mean, in that case the woman didn't choose to be pregnant.

I'm supporting it too! sad
Exactly.

Warning: No offense intended to Free in the rest of this... I'm just feeling a little passionate about the subject at the moment.

I don't believe it's a good thing to have the death penalty used willy-nilly, but I do think it should be an option. As Kate said, sometimes there are people who will find ways out of jail, to go and kill people. I would much rather take them out then to have them roaming the countryside, while I'm saying, "Well, he's human. We can't kill him." The same logic could be used to say we can't put him in jail; You're taking away the God-given rights of freedom and equallity. You are caging him like an animal, meaning you don't think of him as your equal.

So should we just let them do as they will, shake our heads and say, "Well, it -is- our fault. We sinned, so we just called this on ourselves. It's an act of God."

Also, if you hold that man should not hold authority over man, then we should establish an anarchy where you are not allowed to judge other men. Who are we to say that murder is a sin? Only God should judge that.

It's a dangerous thing to say that, absolutely, God is the Judge and the only Judge, and man should not judge man. I am a Christian too, so I understand what you're saying; However, I translate that as no man should assume he knows the final judgement of another man. No man should assume that he knows the state of another man's heart and soul. However, if we were to say, "Judge not, lest you be judged yourself" on every issue...

Well, we wouldn't have done anything about 9/11, because we wouldn't want to judge Osama. We wouldn't have jails whatsoever. We wouldn't be fighting for anti-abortion laws. Etc.

Again, sorry if I sounded offensive in there. I was actually thinking about the whole "Judge not, lest you be judged" thing the other day, and so my thoughts on it are fresh in my mind.

I personally wouldn't put any prisoners to death. Though its true that many people commit unspeakable crimes against humanity, and though to me, i think they deserve death, and a horrible death at that, the fact of the matter is, if we take the life of a fellow human being we stoop down to the level of a pro-choicer. (Meaning, taking another's life for our own selfish reasons.)

So my answer is a resounding no, being anti-abortion and pro-death penalty is a hypocricy to some extent, although for anyone who happens to fall into that catagory, i must also nod my head in agreeing with the point that taking the life of a person who has killed and tortured others for his own amusement, isn't as bad as taking the life of a baby who hasn't done anything to anyone.

But i guess both a perverse criminal and a baby are both humans in the end, so i wouldn't sentence either to death personally.

No offense taken. smile

I'm alright with people believing different things, what I'm against is people saying they are correct 100% of the time. xd