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 Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:57 pm
shootfighting=full contact/mma type of fighting
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:43 am
CelestialDreamz I've got a quetion - I've read in a couple books that a good way to condition your hands is to practice your strikes in sand. Is that more or less effective than just using a punching bag? Depends, for what reason do you want to condition. Personally I would recommend the bag. As not only do you practice strikes on it which you will apply in real life committing them to muscle memory. But it will also strenghthen the muscles utilised in the strike. You can start off on a light bag and then gradually move up in weight and harder fillings you can also start off using gloves then go down in padding gradually until you are striking a heavy bag with just hand wraps on. The trouble with striking sand is that while it will toughen up your hands it wont give you all of the benefits of hitting an object that moves with and against you, and that you can practice a wide range of strikes on. Not to mention the hundreds of drills you can utilise. It doesn't mater though how conditioned your hands are though, if your fist strikes the top of somebodies head your fist will break because your hand, no matter how hard you try will now be harder than somebodies head. This is where training for accuracy is important you dont need hard hands to break brittle jaws. There are of course many other methods but the above is just my opinion.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:04 pm
Ah, I see. So in general, using a punching bag is better. I'm not really sure why I asked the question - I was just standing in line one day when I remembered reading the sand exercise in a book, and was curious since I know a lot of other exercises have become outdated. (Like that flame one....I remember reading in a book that for an exercise to improve your eyesight or something, you should stare at a flame for as long as possible. That was just BS, right?)
So then shootfighting is a more effective style? I found a copy of the flyer, and this is the description they have: a contemporary style of grappling which incorporates many types of strikes, throws, and submission techniques for maximum effectiveness in the manipulation and control of one's opponent. Has anyone here heard of John Busto? That's the guy coming over to our dojo to give the seminar, and he's studied under someone named Bart Vale. Sorry I'm not very knowlageable about these things. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:39 pm
In my opinion, a good way to condition your hand is a hard surface, like a concrete wall or floor. Of course, this will make calluses on your bones and skin at times; as that's the intention.
Once you find a flat, hard surface (DON'T use wood, or it'll get warped), gently tap your hands and knuckles on the surface. It'll hurt at first, which is why you shouldn't hit it hard. Just tap it; perhaps lift the hand a fist length from the surface and let gravity tap it down. This slowly, but surely, calluses your knuckles. Hitting things hard doesn't make your bones or skin any thougher; rather gentle taps for about two minutes. try extending the time when you feel you can. I can go for 20 minutes.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:33 pm
Sakamaku In my opinion, a good way to condition your hand is a hard surface, like a concrete wall or floor. Of course, this will make calluses on your bones and skin at times; as that's the intention. Once you find a flat, hard surface (DON'T use wood, or it'll get warped), gently tap your hands and knuckles on the surface. It'll hurt at first, which is why you shouldn't hit it hard. Just tap it; perhaps lift the hand a fist length from the surface and let gravity tap it down. This slowly, but surely, calluses your knuckles. Hitting things hard doesn't make your bones or skin any thougher; rather gentle taps for about two minutes. try extending the time when you feel you can. I can go for 20 minutes. I've never heard of this exercise before, but I'll definitely try it this weekend. Thanks a lot. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:42 pm
CelestialDreamz Sakamaku In my opinion, a good way to condition your hand is a hard surface, like a concrete wall or floor. Of course, this will make calluses on your bones and skin at times; as that's the intention. Once you find a flat, hard surface (DON'T use wood, or it'll get warped), gently tap your hands and knuckles on the surface. It'll hurt at first, which is why you shouldn't hit it hard. Just tap it; perhaps lift the hand a fist length from the surface and let gravity tap it down. This slowly, but surely, calluses your knuckles. Hitting things hard doesn't make your bones or skin any thougher; rather gentle taps for about two minutes. try extending the time when you feel you can. I can go for 20 minutes. I've never heard of this exercise before, but I'll definitely try it this weekend. Thanks a lot. 3nodding There's also something called a Makiwara board that you can use to train your hands and feet up to a calloused level that may be a bit less painful in the beginning processes. Check any martial arts site that you can buy goods from, and you should find a host of them.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:49 pm
J. Thorn CelestialDreamz Sakamaku In my opinion, a good way to condition your hand is a hard surface, like a concrete wall or floor. Of course, this will make calluses on your bones and skin at times; as that's the intention. Once you find a flat, hard surface (DON'T use wood, or it'll get warped), gently tap your hands and knuckles on the surface. It'll hurt at first, which is why you shouldn't hit it hard. Just tap it; perhaps lift the hand a fist length from the surface and let gravity tap it down. This slowly, but surely, calluses your knuckles. Hitting things hard doesn't make your bones or skin any thougher; rather gentle taps for about two minutes. try extending the time when you feel you can. I can go for 20 minutes. I've never heard of this exercise before, but I'll definitely try it this weekend. Thanks a lot. 3nodding There's also something called a Makiwara board that you can use to train your hands and feet up to a calloused level that may be a bit less painful in the beginning processes. Check any martial arts site that you can buy goods from, and you should find a host of them. I kinda made one of those in woodshop when I was in HS. I made it out of 2 layers of ply-wood. No cushion either.....I don't use it, haha.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:46 pm
Deno if it works, but my instructor says that doing pushups on your knuckles toughens them up
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:18 pm
J. Thorn CelestialDreamz Sakamaku In my opinion, a good way to condition your hand is a hard surface, like a concrete wall or floor. Of course, this will make calluses on your bones and skin at times; as that's the intention. Once you find a flat, hard surface (DON'T use wood, or it'll get warped), gently tap your hands and knuckles on the surface. It'll hurt at first, which is why you shouldn't hit it hard. Just tap it; perhaps lift the hand a fist length from the surface and let gravity tap it down. This slowly, but surely, calluses your knuckles. Hitting things hard doesn't make your bones or skin any thougher; rather gentle taps for about two minutes. try extending the time when you feel you can. I can go for 20 minutes. I've never heard of this exercise before, but I'll definitely try it this weekend. Thanks a lot. 3nodding There's also something called a Makiwara board that you can use to train your hands and feet up to a calloused level that may be a bit less painful in the beginning processes. Check any martial arts site that you can buy goods from, and you should find a host of them. Unfortunately, I don't think that one would work - my dad's not going to buy me anything else after I wheedled a 270lb punching/kicking pad out of him. And, unlike Gank, I suck at making things. I almost cut my friend's finger off once in tech class, trying to saw through a piece of wood. I'll see if my dojo would consider getting one, though.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:17 pm
Makiwaras are trash. I've tried them, they're padded and wood, so they don't callus as well and the wood of the makiwara can warp in time.
Deimos, Doing knuckle push-ups does help some, but it mainly strenghthens your forearm muscles. my freind commented on the size of my forearms, as they're almost as big as my upper arms. he was wondering how frequently I "wanked off".... o_o
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:10 pm
Sakamaku Makiwaras are trash. I've tried them, they're padded and wood, so they don't callus as well and the wood of the makiwara can warp in time. Deimos, Doing knuckle push-ups does help some, but it mainly strenghthens your forearm muscles. my freind commented on the size of my forearms, as they're almost as big as my upper arms. he was wondering how frequently I "wanked off".... o_o So your right fore-arm is abnormally larger than your left one, too?
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:59 am
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Sakamaku Makiwaras are trash. I've tried them, they're padded and wood, so they don't callus as well and the wood of the makiwara can warp in time. Deimos, Doing knuckle push-ups does help some, but it mainly strenghthens your forearm muscles. my freind commented on the size of my forearms, as they're almost as big as my upper arms. he was wondering how frequently I "wanked off".... o_o So your right fore-arm is abnormally larger than your left one, too? Hehe xD. Guess that's why my forearms are so big too :p. Anyways, anyone know any other method of getting your knuckles callused?
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:20 am
Deimos_Strife Bruce-Ganked-Lee Sakamaku Makiwaras are trash. I've tried them, they're padded and wood, so they don't callus as well and the wood of the makiwara can warp in time. Deimos, Doing knuckle push-ups does help some, but it mainly strenghthens your forearm muscles. my freind commented on the size of my forearms, as they're almost as big as my upper arms. he was wondering how frequently I "wanked off".... o_o So your right fore-arm is abnormally larger than your left one, too? Hehe xD. Guess that's why my forearms are so big too :p. Anyways, anyone know any other method of getting your knuckles callused? Personally i'm against bone callusing methods as it's just unnecessary pain and causes joint problems in later life. When I was 16 to about 18 I was doing iron palm conditioning and ******** the nerves in my right hand by killing most of them off. Not nice in the winter when your hand went ice cold. It took years before my hand went back to normal. All in the name of bullshido.
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:11 am
Delmar_Denban Deimos_Strife Bruce-Ganked-Lee Sakamaku Makiwaras are trash. I've tried them, they're padded and wood, so they don't callus as well and the wood of the makiwara can warp in time. Deimos, Doing knuckle push-ups does help some, but it mainly strenghthens your forearm muscles. my freind commented on the size of my forearms, as they're almost as big as my upper arms. he was wondering how frequently I "wanked off".... o_o So your right fore-arm is abnormally larger than your left one, too? Hehe xD. Guess that's why my forearms are so big too :p. Anyways, anyone know any other method of getting your knuckles callused? Personally i'm against bone callusing methods as it's just unnecessary pain and causes joint problems in later life. When I was 16 to about 18 I was doing iron palm conditioning and ******** the nerves in my right hand by killing most of them off. Not nice in the winter when your hand went ice cold. It took years before my hand went back to normal. All in the name of bullshido. Meh, my dad "supposedly" use to punch this wooden post a lot as training, back in Viet Nam. His knuckles are non-existant and he lost all feeling in his hand. I don't know about you guys, but I like my knuckles. They're pointy and they hurt people.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:02 am
Delmar_Denban Deimos_Strife Bruce-Ganked-Lee Sakamaku Makiwaras are trash. I've tried them, they're padded and wood, so they don't callus as well and the wood of the makiwara can warp in time. Deimos, Doing knuckle push-ups does help some, but it mainly strenghthens your forearm muscles. my freind commented on the size of my forearms, as they're almost as big as my upper arms. he was wondering how frequently I "wanked off".... o_o So your right fore-arm is abnormally larger than your left one, too? Hehe xD. Guess that's why my forearms are so big too :p. Anyways, anyone know any other method of getting your knuckles callused? Personally i'm against bone callusing methods as it's just unnecessary pain and causes joint problems in later life. When I was 16 to about 18 I was doing iron palm conditioning and ******** the nerves in my right hand by killing most of them off. Not nice in the winter when your hand went ice cold. It took years before my hand went back to normal. All in the name of bullshido. ...damn. Well, as long as you don't overdo it, right?
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