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 Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:34 am
Hmm...
Gongkat...
I don't want to say that Manga is exclusive, but I guess I can't avoid sounding like I do...
Yes, I understand the whole "Man Hwa" bit, considering I am a Korean...but recently, I've noticed many Korean names in the credit roles for Animes. I've also noticed that many Korean artists worked for Japanese gaming companies.
Like I said, I don't mean to sound exclusive, but it seems that Koreans are involved in practically everything art/manga/anime-related that Japan offers...to ballpark it, I think Koreans contribute to 1/4 of all these. Which is a fairly large number.
And didn't Korea and Japan make up one big nation at a certain point?
Honestly, if I wasn't Korean myself, I would be confused as to what is Japanese and what is Korean.
You see where I'm getting at?
Perhaps you were just using Korea as an example, but Korea (to me) has a certain exception, being that it is relatively similar to Japan in culture.
Bluecherry...
I understand what you are saying, and I can relate (I also happen to write a bit); less research, which is a huge relief.
Even so...
...well...
I guess an example would be easier.
Teen Titans on Cartoon Network. I'd say it was an American attempt at Anime (the typical "^_^" faces, the way the faces are drawn, the often appearances of Japanese or Chinese characters [letters]). It was an alright show...hell, I liked it, I thought it was fun...but I don't consider it Anime.
However, an example of a SUCCESSFUL attempt at anime...
Avatar: The Last Airbender. I'll give you this...if prompted, I can accept this as an anime. Why?
Culture is a big factor in the show. Some is shown through the Martial Arts (the techniques of fighting in the show were studied from actual Martial Artists...but you all knew that), some is shown in the many villages.
If an American makes a graphic novel with that crucial element (Culture), I will consider considering it a manga.
But let me tell ya, I've already seen many American "Mangas" (yes, they called it that)...one of "Sabrina, the Teenage Witch" and another had something to do with Evangelism. Neither were attractive.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:06 pm
So you're saying Mr. Wonka that if it isn't a comic or animation made in Japan, it isn't worth looking at? o_O
Which is an interesting statement b/c Osamu Tekuza started drawing manga based on Disney's character style in the first place.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:15 pm
No, ma'am...I am saying that on as a personal reference, any imitation of Anime, I cannot consider anime.
Doesn't mean I won't like it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:15 pm
Well at least you cleared that up.
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:12 pm
((Wow, my previous post was ignored completely. I'm reposting it because It was unlucky enough to so stuck at the bottom of the page)) alicelights I am personally quite alright with English-language comics... but I think that it should be called that. I suppose the term 'manga' is used to describe the style, but I think that not appealing to a more general readership will: a) tie the artist/author down to mainstream 'manga' conventions b) mean the work doesn't reach very large numbers of people I think creative works should not be narrowed down like that. When you pick up a manga, mostly you know what to expect. Partly, because of the way manga is run chapter-by-chapter in magazines, there are certain conventions that need not apply to somebody writing outside of that. However, these are still assosiated with 'manga'. (eg. dramatic event happening at the end of every chapter, for example, format and characters introduced in the first chapter). Megatokyo has a massive readership who will spend good money on the books! ...but essentially no other 'manga' comic does. Basically, I think it'll be a long time before many people can make decent careers out of English language 'manga', so I don't think the niche will kick of into mainstream society. Anybody agree, disagree or question?
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:17 pm
I saw it before, read it, it has some good points, I just didn't respond to it specificly by name. My only thing was I actually think it IS catching on. Not just from web comic to print versions, though I do know of other web comics that now sell in printable versions and sales aren't doing to bad at all, there's also things like I mentioned where though- it may be comparatively low at the moment, it's ever increasing- companies like especially tokyopop are getting people to make new original comic/mangas in English or other languages. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:24 pm
alicelights I am personally quite alright with English-language comics... but I think that it should be called that. I suppose the term 'manga' is used to describe the style, but I think that not appealing to a more general readership will: a) tie the artist/author down to mainstream 'manga' conventions b) mean the work doesn't reach very large numbers of people I think creative works should not be narrowed down like that. When you pick up a manga, mostly you know what to expect. Partly, because of the way manga is run chapter-by-chapter in magazines, there are certain conventions that need not apply to somebody writing outside of that. However, these are still assosiated with 'manga'. (eg. dramatic event happening at the end of every chapter, for example, format and characters introduced in the first chapter). Megatokyo has a massive readership who will spend good money on the books! ...but essentially no other 'manga' comic does. Basically, I think it'll be a long time before many people can make decent careers out of English language 'manga', so I don't think the niche will kick of into mainstream society. I agree with generally all of your statements. It's just that I usually don't state that I agree with someone.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:44 am
William C. Wonka I agree with generally all of your statements. It's just that I usually don't state that I agree with someone. I see. I assumed people has just missed it as a lot of posts had been commented on to some degree. The paper I get "The Guardian" (a national British paper) runs two comics a week of 'Tamara Drewe' by Posy Simmonds. The thing that interested me here is the papers break-out of traditional laugh a day style comic. The 'Tamara...' pages are the size of pages of a book, not just a four panel strip. Also the story has a serious plot - without comedy. It occurs to me, then, that this would be a good way to do promote comics like 'Megatokyo'. ( not Megatokyo, but ones that having broken into the world yet). of course, using local newspapers or magazines - national would be an insane place to consider. Can anybody think of any other ways to promote fledging comics.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:09 pm
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:25 pm
that does sound good. and we had running in our sunday comics for a while one story line in one comic. This one comic does several different stories with different plots and characters and settings and such, most are like typical newspaper humor comics, but for several months a little while ago one comic story line was ran from start to finish that was a real story, it wasn't for humor. This particular comic is one that gets a large section of a page too, so it's not done in typical side by side block format, but a little more in book page comic like format. It was interesting.
starting your own would be cooooooool. cool Lots of work admittedly though, and would have to be a primary focus job, not like a side hobby.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:56 am
True, true...it IS time-consuming...
Your best bet would be to start it while you're in school. By the time you leave school, the Magazine would already have subscribers, so it won't be such a bad job.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:46 am
Having a webcomic is enough trouble as it is, doing that along with my studies. A magazine I would assume would be even more time consuming a week...unless you organized it with other underground comic artists and worked together. Some independent comic book stores may even sell it in their shops.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:38 pm
Ah, probably the biggest struggle in starting a magazine would be advertising.
Really tricky, too.
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:03 am
Probably would have to ride the tide with other "underground" artists to get advertising and then grow up from there. May be easier around a liberal arts college than anywhere else.
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:51 am
well, you could always resort to spamming......try sending out a small section as a sample to certain places that sell comics to let people read and take.
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