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 Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:18 pm
As long as you don't let it consume you... essential, yes... but in the midst of this don't forget that it is also essential for a martial artists to be humble. Combative spirit can easily become a competative student... and in extreme cases become ronin. crying
Just don't get too big for you britches, hun. wink
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:39 pm
Sparring should be used to aid in the application of technique. Sparring is a learning tool. I'm big into kata personally. I use sparring to help with my bunkai (application). Of course there are many techniques that you can not practice in sparring because, frankly, they are not very nice.
If you do not like sparring, then you need to take up a martail art that is either very internal (example: Tai Chi) or performance centered (example: some Wushu schools). In these arts you can get the same benefits of martial arts training. The main drawback is that if a person training under these manners is forced to use it in a street situation they will be unprepared for tactics involved and the pain involved.
That's not to say they couldn't diffend themselves, but they would be in for an eye opener.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:20 pm
If your combative spirit is consuming you, it is not combative spirit but agression.
There is a very great difference.
As for combative spirit leading to too much competition, I don't believe combat spirit and desire for combat have anything to do with one another.
Combat spirit in my eyes, to the extent in wich I can describe it, is focus, an empty mind, thoughtlessness, mental preparation, overview, consciousness of the combat, the opponent and oneself and the acceptance of whatever outcome beforehand, while clearly deciding to give it your all.
Wanting to fight is something that will indeed lead to competitiveness, combative spirit is something entirely different.
Combative spirit is the state of mind we acquire in martial arts that is applicable in all situations in life. It is not to be confused with lust for combat or agression.
As for ronins, what's wrong with them?
Nowadays we are pretty much all ronins.
We just attend classes. As far as I know only very few still pledge ultimate loyalty to their sensei, parents or ruling authority...
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:16 pm
JoshuaKenzo If your combative spirit is consuming you, it is not combative spirit but agression. There is a very great difference. As for combative spirit leading to too much competition, I don't believe combat spirit and desire for combat have anything to do with one another. Combat spirit in my eyes, to the extent in wich I can describe it, is focus, an empty mind, thoughtlessness, mental preparation, overview, consciousness of the combat, the opponent and oneself and the acceptance of whatever outcome beforehand, while clearly deciding to give it your all. Wanting to fight is something that will indeed lead to competitiveness, combative spirit is something entirely different. Combative spirit is the state of mind we acquire in martial arts that is applicable in all situations in life. It is not to be confused with lust for combat or agression. As for ronins, what's wrong with them? Nowadays we are pretty much all ronins. We just attend classes. As far as I know only very few still pledge ultimate loyalty to their sensei, parents or ruling authority... thats very philosophical
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:38 pm
Martial arts and philosophy often go hand-in-hand.
It is said that one cannot be a warrior or a scholar, one must be both. But that's only if you're Taoist biggrin .
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:01 pm
i dont know dude its too much philosophy, i jsut go into a ring knowing that i gotta see the guy on the mat in the shortest amount of time possible.
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:31 am
You're obviously not a Taoist blaugh
Hey, if it works for you. That's all that matters.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:26 pm
BoneCrusher10 i dont know dude its too much philosophy, i jsut go into a ring knowing that i gotta see the guy on the mat in the shortest amount of time possible. in the shortest amount of time? wheres the fun in that, play mind games with them, then near the end when they think they've won, then you go for the ko, lol, but then again I'm not a boxer, so I don't have the mind of one.
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:53 am
WEll, as a self defense and fitness instructor, there is a big difference between sparring and fighting. For me its the state of mind. If both fighters sli it on with a competitive mindset then its sparring. But when two people slug it out with a combative/survival mindset, then its fighting. For me I never liked the competitive mindset since it pollutes the mind of some martial artists that thinking that way will make them survive a street fight. I still believe that for a person to defend effectively, then he or she must have the survival mindset. Train for sparring if you want to spar for all I care. But if you want to defend yourself, then you should learn how to fight with someone who's fighting back!
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:49 am
Sparring= a controlled area where the two aren't aiming for actually hurting each other, but to either gain points and feel what it's like how to go up against someone with the same power.
Ex) Classes, Tournaments
Fighting= uncontrolled, unsupervised most of the time where people are out to hurt each other and won't stop till they do so greatly, and it could be over the smallest meanings.. and sometimes the opposites aren't equal.
Ex) A bully picking on a smaller kid. Catfights. Gang friction.
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:40 am
Gang friction? xd
What the hell have you been doing lately? xd xd xd rofl
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:24 pm
JoshuaKenzo Gang friction? xd What the hell have you been doing lately? xd xd xd rofl *thwaps him* Yanno when gangs meet up and stuff.. I dunno what to call it. stare
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:32 pm
I gotta say that Bone Crusher's got a slight point about philosophy. I'm learning some BJJ at this point, and there's little to no philosophy involved for a LOT of practitioners of BJJ. I think the level of philosophy depends on the person, and caution must be taken as you become philosophical, or you lose your ability in the face of ideals. Ideals are wonderful, but fail in the face of practicality. Practice is wonderful, but lack the discipline that comes from ideals. We must balance them.
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:05 pm
Moonlight Penguin JoshuaKenzo Gang friction? xd What the hell have you been doing lately? xd xd xd rofl *thwaps him* Yanno when gangs meet up and stuff.. I dunno what to call it. stare Ow. whee You mean gang wars, dear? 3nodding Laren, good to see you again. Philosophy isn't something that should affect the way you fight. It's the way you look at fighting. The way you look at life and death. These sort of things. If your perception of things limits you in your ability, you're doing something terribly wrong. There are, as I think you meant, physical ideals. Where techniques (both of body and mind) might pose a threat for the practitioner or at least put them to a disadvantage. I know, for example, that if ever I were in a street fight wielding an object that could be wielded similarly to a sword, I would not adapt a kendo posture. It is not meant for that.
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:20 pm
In my opinion sparring becomes fighting when one person loses control and becomes angry. Then they start trying to hurt their sparring partner not learn from them.
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