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 Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:41 am
Victum Soul DieiNoctis It's a horrible habbit, smells horrible, does bad things to your lungs, teeth, gums, circulation, and occasionally skin... and it looks helluva cool. The coolest looking bad habbit on earth. And is way more important to look cool than to please God... NOT! 'Thou shalt not kill' Suicide is a form of murder. And everytime you smoke you are commiting a little part of a big horrible suicide. So, it's a sin, don't do it (unless you like to sin and would like to be thrown away from God's sight) umm if God had an issue with my smoking he shouldn't have created tobacco. also suicide is a quick and outright action against your own life. smoking gradually deteriorates your health. on the other hand so does eating alot of fatty foods so is the consumption of Mc Donalds a sin too Vic? I know plenty of christian smokers right down from priests and pastors to parishioners so if these people are hated in God's sight how many of us are really going to hell? you said yourself that teachers of our religion are appointed by God Himself, why wouold God appoint sinners?
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:43 am
Love.Your.Hate. here's my view on it: go ahead and smoke, but don't come crying to me when you have cancer. when i'm on my deathbed breathing through a mask with two black lungs i'll call you up and ask you to pick me up a carton of camels. sound good?
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:59 pm
Smoking is definitely a bad habit. It's really hard to stop too (from experiance sweatdrop ). In a religiose standpoint, it's kinda if'y. It does shorten your lifspan and can harm people around you, which in my opinion is a sin (but what do I know?). At the same time, I don't think it is a form of suicide becouse almost everything we do can ultimately shorten our lifspan.
And smokeing does look cool rofl
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:34 pm
smoking is bad for u. every one knows that. but in my state they just passed a law saying that u cant even have a smoking section in restaraunts. and that u can only smoke in ur own home.im not a smoker, but they know its bad for them, but they choose to anyway. and thats what america is all about.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:39 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul DieiNoctis It's a horrible habbit, smells horrible, does bad things to your lungs, teeth, gums, circulation, and occasionally skin... and it looks helluva cool. The coolest looking bad habbit on earth. And is way more important to look cool than to please God... NOT! 'Thou shalt not kill' Suicide is a form of murder. And everytime you smoke you are commiting a little part of a big horrible suicide. So, it's a sin, don't do it (unless you like to sin and would like to be thrown away from God's sight) umm if God had an issue with my smoking he shouldn't have created tobacco. also suicide is a quick and outright action against your own life. smoking gradually deteriorates your health. on the other hand so does eating alot of fatty foods so is the consumption of Mc Donalds a sin too Vic? I know plenty of christian smokers right down from priests and pastors to parishioners so if these people are hated in God's sight how many of us are really going to hell? you said yourself that teachers of our religion are appointed by God Himself, why wouold God appoint sinners? what u said about mcdonalds is a good point. i agree. and teachers of our religion are human too. they are not angels. and as with all people they sin.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:51 pm
RaveToTheGrave Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul DieiNoctis It's a horrible habbit, smells horrible, does bad things to your lungs, teeth, gums, circulation, and occasionally skin... and it looks helluva cool. The coolest looking bad habbit on earth. And is way more important to look cool than to please God... NOT! 'Thou shalt not kill' Suicide is a form of murder. And everytime you smoke you are commiting a little part of a big horrible suicide. So, it's a sin, don't do it (unless you like to sin and would like to be thrown away from God's sight) umm if God had an issue with my smoking he shouldn't have created tobacco. also suicide is a quick and outright action against your own life. smoking gradually deteriorates your health. on the other hand so does eating alot of fatty foods so is the consumption of Mc Donalds a sin too Vic? I know plenty of christian smokers right down from priests and pastors to parishioners so if these people are hated in God's sight how many of us are really going to hell? you said yourself that teachers of our religion are appointed by God Himself, why wouold God appoint sinners? what u said about mcdonalds is a good point. i agree. and teachers of our religion are human too. they are not angels. and as with all people they sin. for the reccord my point still stands unchallenged. smoking is not a sin. i was making a referance to Vic specifically with the preacher thing because he holds them in such high regard. personally i agree with you . they are human just like the rest of us.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:21 pm
I definately don't think it's a mortal sin or anything. Just a bad habit. I really don't think it's cool or uncool, whatever floats your boat. All I can say is I hope my boyfriend never starts smoking... It might be gross to kiss him. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:59 am
Lazarus The Resurected RaveToTheGrave Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul DieiNoctis It's a horrible habbit, smells horrible, does bad things to your lungs, teeth, gums, circulation, and occasionally skin... and it looks helluva cool. The coolest looking bad habbit on earth. And is way more important to look cool than to please God... NOT! 'Thou shalt not kill' Suicide is a form of murder. And everytime you smoke you are commiting a little part of a big horrible suicide. So, it's a sin, don't do it (unless you like to sin and would like to be thrown away from God's sight) umm if God had an issue with my smoking he shouldn't have created tobacco. also suicide is a quick and outright action against your own life. smoking gradually deteriorates your health. on the other hand so does eating alot of fatty foods so is the consumption of Mc Donalds a sin too Vic? I know plenty of christian smokers right down from priests and pastors to parishioners so if these people are hated in God's sight how many of us are really going to hell? you said yourself that teachers of our religion are appointed by God Himself, why wouold God appoint sinners? what u said about mcdonalds is a good point. i agree. and teachers of our religion are human too. they are not angels. and as with all people they sin. for the reccord my point still stands unchallenged. smoking is not a sin. i was making a referance to Vic specifically with the preacher thing because he holds them in such high regard. personally i agree with you . they are human just like the rest of us. so you're going to start respecting autorithies now that you wanna mess with me? I mean, if I hadn't said anything about smoking you would'nt have said 'teachers of our religion were appointed by God Himself' And yes, they are human, they do si, but it is way diferent to sin on purpose, like you, and sin ocassionally, like many of us, because we are not perfect, though we intend not to sin. lol you're so predictable, dude
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:43 pm
Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected RaveToTheGrave Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul DieiNoctis It's a horrible habbit, smells horrible, does bad things to your lungs, teeth, gums, circulation, and occasionally skin... and it looks helluva cool. The coolest looking bad habbit on earth. And is way more important to look cool than to please God... NOT! 'Thou shalt not kill' Suicide is a form of murder. And everytime you smoke you are commiting a little part of a big horrible suicide. So, it's a sin, don't do it (unless you like to sin and would like to be thrown away from God's sight) umm if God had an issue with my smoking he shouldn't have created tobacco. also suicide is a quick and outright action against your own life. smoking gradually deteriorates your health. on the other hand so does eating alot of fatty foods so is the consumption of Mc Donalds a sin too Vic? I know plenty of christian smokers right down from priests and pastors to parishioners so if these people are hated in God's sight how many of us are really going to hell? you said yourself that teachers of our religion are appointed by God Himself, why wouold God appoint sinners? what u said about mcdonalds is a good point. i agree. and teachers of our religion are human too. they are not angels. and as with all people they sin. for the reccord my point still stands unchallenged. smoking is not a sin. i was making a referance to Vic specifically with the preacher thing because he holds them in such high regard. personally i agree with you . they are human just like the rest of us. so you're going to start respecting autorithies now that you wanna mess with me? I mean, if I hadn't said anything about smoking you would'nt have said 'teachers of our religion were appointed by God Himself' And yes, they are human, they do si, but it is way diferent to sin on purpose, like you, and sin ocassionally, like many of us, because we are not perfect, though we intend not to sin. lol you're so predictable, dude umm.....Vic I never claimed to think that those who teach are beyond reproach. that is your philosophy. I merely employed it because I knew it was a point you would have to conceed due to your beliefs and thus made my argument stronger. To sin on purpose? are you telling me that the priests and pastors and deacons and whatnot light a pack of cigs a day BY ACCIDENT???? Smoking, although not a sin is a concious descision even you should be able to see that. Vic, I do not sin on purpose because I do not believe that many of the things you condemn me for are sins. If they are then I'm sinning in ignorance. So I don't intend to sin. Oh, and the point on smoking not equaling suicide still stands. Feel free to try to prove that point wrong. until then sit down and keep quite while the big boys and girls discuss this. oh and vic. seeing as how i have been using your own arguments against you (predicting your arguments) i think you would be the more predictable of the two of us. but that's niether here nor there.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:30 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected RaveToTheGrave Lazarus The Resurected umm if God had an issue with my smoking he shouldn't have created tobacco. also suicide is a quick and outright action against your own life. smoking gradually deteriorates your health. on the other hand so does eating alot of fatty foods so is the consumption of Mc Donalds a sin too Vic? I know plenty of christian smokers right down from priests and pastors to parishioners so if these people are hated in God's sight how many of us are really going to hell? you said yourself that teachers of our religion are appointed by God Himself, why wouold God appoint sinners? what u said about mcdonalds is a good point. i agree. and teachers of our religion are human too. they are not angels. and as with all people they sin. for the reccord my point still stands unchallenged. smoking is not a sin. i was making a referance to Vic specifically with the preacher thing because he holds them in such high regard. personally i agree with you . they are human just like the rest of us. so you're going to start respecting autorithies now that you wanna mess with me? I mean, if I hadn't said anything about smoking you would'nt have said 'teachers of our religion were appointed by God Himself' And yes, they are human, they do si, but it is way diferent to sin on purpose, like you, and sin ocassionally, like many of us, because we are not perfect, though we intend not to sin. lol you're so predictable, dude umm.....Vic I never claimed to think that those who teach are beyond reproach. that is your philosophy. I merely employed it because I knew it was a point you would have to conceed due to your beliefs and thus made my argument stronger. To sin on purpose? are you telling me that the priests and pastors and deacons and whatnot light a pack of cigs a day BY ACCIDENT???? Smoking, although not a sin is a concious descision even you should be able to see that. Vic, I do not sin on purpose because I do not believe that many of the things you condemn me for are sins. If they are then I'm sinning in ignorance. So I don't intend to sin. Oh, and the point on smoking not equaling suicide still stands. Feel free to try to prove that point wrong. until then sit down and keep quite while the big boys and girls discuss this. oh and vic. seeing as how i have been using your own arguments against you (predicting your arguments) i think you would be the more predictable of the two of us. but that's niether here nor there.hahaha hey! look at lazarus! he is a big boy, he smokes!! its obvious you wont listen or understand to me, you will always sin after done sinning, unless you convince yourself you might be wrong in your philosophy, ask God what actually is right or wrong and stop acting like a douche. And dont come telling me you already asked God and He told you smoking, drinking and cussing are alright with Him. If that is true I apologize, because I was thinking you and I worshipped the same God. grow old, dude. Big words and 'being always right' are not sign of matureness. and dont try to teach me about basic doctrine. Im done wasting my time throwing pearls at the pigs.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:45 am
Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected RaveToTheGrave Lazarus The Resurected umm if God had an issue with my smoking he shouldn't have created tobacco. also suicide is a quick and outright action against your own life. smoking gradually deteriorates your health. on the other hand so does eating alot of fatty foods so is the consumption of Mc Donalds a sin too Vic? I know plenty of christian smokers right down from priests and pastors to parishioners so if these people are hated in God's sight how many of us are really going to hell? you said yourself that teachers of our religion are appointed by God Himself, why wouold God appoint sinners? what u said about mcdonalds is a good point. i agree. and teachers of our religion are human too. they are not angels. and as with all people they sin. for the reccord my point still stands unchallenged. smoking is not a sin. i was making a referance to Vic specifically with the preacher thing because he holds them in such high regard. personally i agree with you . they are human just like the rest of us. so you're going to start respecting autorithies now that you wanna mess with me? I mean, if I hadn't said anything about smoking you would'nt have said 'teachers of our religion were appointed by God Himself' And yes, they are human, they do si, but it is way diferent to sin on purpose, like you, and sin ocassionally, like many of us, because we are not perfect, though we intend not to sin. lol you're so predictable, dude umm.....Vic I never claimed to think that those who teach are beyond reproach. that is your philosophy. I merely employed it because I knew it was a point you would have to conceed due to your beliefs and thus made my argument stronger. To sin on purpose? are you telling me that the priests and pastors and deacons and whatnot light a pack of cigs a day BY ACCIDENT???? Smoking, although not a sin is a concious descision even you should be able to see that. Vic, I do not sin on purpose because I do not believe that many of the things you condemn me for are sins. If they are then I'm sinning in ignorance. So I don't intend to sin. Oh, and the point on smoking not equaling suicide still stands. Feel free to try to prove that point wrong. until then sit down and keep quite while the big boys and girls discuss this. oh and vic. seeing as how i have been using your own arguments against you (predicting your arguments) i think you would be the more predictable of the two of us. but that's niether here nor there.hahaha hey! look at lazarus! he is a big boy, he smokes!! its obvious you wont listen or understand to me, you will always sin after done sinning, unless you convince yourself you might be wrong in your philosophy, ask God what actually is right or wrong and stop acting like a douche. And dont come telling me you already asked God and He told you smoking, drinking and cussing are alright with Him. If that is true I apologize, because I was thinking you and I worshipped the same God. grow old, dude. Big words and 'being always right' are not sign of matureness. and dont try to teach me about basic doctrine. Im done wasting my time throwing pearls at the pigs. Ok, condecention and outright insult, Vic I'm surprised at you, that's usually my area of opperation. The big kids are not the smokers, in fact I'll admit smoking is a poor choice, but it is not a sin. When I made that comment I was reffering to people who can formulate an argument based either on LOGIC or SCRIPTURE. As the Bible has nothing to say explicitly on the topic of smoking we must fall on logic to guide this debate. I will listen to you and do my best to understand you, I allways have, it's just that you rarely make a point that I cannot either disprove or contradict. You see, your arguments have too many holes to exploit and I will use any one that I can to try and make you see where these arguments are flawed. Big words do not make me mature? [sarcasm]No s**t![/sarcasm] they are a mark of my extensive vocabulary and nothing more, and I'm not allways right. You just can't seem to find any holes in my arguments so maybe I'm not allways right, but I do not enter a debate in which I'm not convinced of my beliefs. Right or Wrong they are still my beliefs. It's people of your mindset that made me leave the church once allready. and I don't much appreciate your 'Holier than thou' attitude Vic. I'm not the only one convinced of his own superiority, take a look in the mirror some time. Get the timber out of your eye and then worry about my sawdust. Oh and Vic, you have made two posts attacking me and have still yet to make any headway on trying to prove that smoking is a sin. All you are doing by attacking me instead of debating the issue at hand is giving me more amunition for the time when you pull your head out of your a** and regoin the debate properly.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:15 am
sad My goodness, so much hostility...
I'm just going to pitch in my two cents real quick...
First, I'm...not entirely certain if smoking regular tobacco impairs your judgement. If so, I can find plenty of Bible verses against it. If not, there goes the argumant based on specific Scripture.
I do know, however, that God does not want us to hurt each other, so I'm certain that He frowns upon smoking around others, because of how harmful it is to them. I can also say that He probably isn't too thrilled about how awful it is for our bodies. He lovingly crafted those things! And...although the smoking is a bit more drastic than the unhealthy food, I bet He really isn't too happy about McDonald's, either! I never even thought about that! (ponders) Brilliant!
So I think I agree with both of you, to some degree. I think you're intentionally sinning in ignorance. I believe that smoking is a sin, and you are doing it intentionally, but unaware that it's sinful.
THEN AGAIN, God doesn't totally forbid drinking, even though that's utterly HORRIBLE for you (since my last health class, I've been SO utterly uptight about alcohol, you have no idea...), so long as you don't get drunk. Sooo...I suppose that, as long as you take relatively good care of your body and appreciate it and such, you might be okay. Still, since smoking is terrible for you....
Agh. This IS complicated. Forgive my rambling--I just needed to inject some pink into this 'mortal combat' of an argument...
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:39 am
Viviane_neechan
Agh. This IS complicated. Forgive my rambling--I just needed to inject some pink into this 'mortal combat' of an argument...
heart exactly, it is complicated. What brother Laz doesn't understand is that I can use scripture or his so-great-majesty 'LOGIC' but he will defend what he thinks is right, as I do. Scripture commands us to keep God's temple clear, science proves smoking can cause cancer. Making the connection? I think even a 5 year old kid could unerstand this, and Laz, you're very intelligent, dude.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:31 pm
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:43 am
exactly, it is complicated. What brother Laz doesn't understand is that I can use scripture or his so-great-majesty 'LOGIC' . And yet thus far, you have failed to do either prefering to focus on side issues and ohter beefs instead. You talk a big game Mr. Soul but you fail to back it up. Victum Soul Scripture commands us to keep God's temple clear, science proves smoking can cause cancer. Making the connection? I think even a 5 year old kid could unerstand this, and Laz, you're very intelligent, dude. Insult again?Damn, Vic, the maturity level is not only brought down by me. But, I will comend you on finaly coming out with a little backing for your arguments. You can point out which verses next time though it might be a good idea. As i have said before there are plenty of other things that impede our health as much as, or more that smoking. so should i stop eating fast food, living in cities and breathing in general? (it has been shown that oxigen over time does in fact deteriorate internal organs. As we age we actually die of the oxidization of our own bodies)
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